Has Bowyer lost it?

He just looks lost.

If we don’t win Tuesday I’d sack him. The players look like a lost set of individuals and they are not that bad. 

Something very wrong.
Happened around the time of Ipswich.

You can't put all of this down to poor quality of player.
They look void of ideas and rudderless.
If they were giving it a good go and unlucky then fair enough, but this is very very poor.
I feared last season he might hit one of those patches where you can't do anything right and get yourself in a tizz with chopping and changing in desperation.
Didn't really happen last season and he did ok. But it's happening now and it happens to the best of them. Happened to Curbs. Happened to Powell, but they always found a way out. Bowyer is deep into this spell now.
Not sure how long this can continue

Bowyers fault imho because we are so disorganised.

That has officially moved me to the dark side, was still 100% behind Bowyer, and still think he might be a good manager down the line but I just don't think he's what we need right now. Something just isn't quite right at the moment in the squad.

I don't even really completely blame him, I think the last few years has taken so much out of him to help create what we are at the moment, a really negative team.

With Sandgaard, it really feels like there should be so much positivity around the club right now, even the small things like the Valley Match Pass with Minto it really feels like a new dawn for us. But negativity is contagious and Bowyer just seems really out of place in that mood and vibe.

Our current team just doesn't seem well built for a salary cap limitations. Our best player is Aneke and he can't be trusted to play 90 minutes, let alone 2 games in a week. Williams is Williams. Maddison seemed a nice luxury signing, but a luxury signing in an incomplete team with a salary cap is bad management (that is on Gallen as much as Bowyer). We need to have a strong group of about 15 players who can play 38 games+ each, but we have just got so many who don't seem fit for that and need to be constantly rested, or accommodated for.

Bowyer will always be a legend for the last few years, and being at Wembley for the last Sunderland game is by far my best moment following the club but we're a different club now than we were then, and I think we need to bring someone new for that journey to start again with a pretty big overhaul.

I could soon look a complete moron in picking my trust in Sandgaard rather than Bowyer in a few years, but it does feel that way would lead to more success.

I have always had some slight reservations about him even in the 100% support belief I had that he should keep the job, with the little things like how he treats some players like Albie agitating me, but also that side that went up from League One with Bielik, Aribo, Lyle Taylor the further we get away from that season, seem like players who probably could have gone up automatically rather than via the playoffs, that might be for another thread though for that debate.

Weirdly, for the first time, he’s got resources and stability.  But doesn’t look comfortable with it, you can tell somethings not right because the players and management look like they've fallen out.

Another thing worth noting, is if this squad were mapped out player for player and assessed by pundits etc, it probably comes out as one of the best squads in the league.

Those two points ring alarm bells for me, I hate witch hunts and I hate bandwagons.  But I’m slowly edging towards the “bowyer out” brigade.

And if it’s gonna happen it’s gotta happen ASAP!

ShootersHillGuru said:

His loyalty over the last two years have earned him this season and a good crack at next. 

Don’t agree at all. Despite how shit we’ve been the play offs are easily achievable. Don’t see why we just let that go. Even worse giving him next season, sorry that’s just stupid. 

I said after the Hull game i'd give him the next 6 games to the end of January, 4 of which are at home. However after that performance tonight, i'd be temped to get rid of him if we lose again on Tuesday.

10 points from 10 games with 17 conceded is relegation form. It's pretty obvious he's not getting the best out of them and it almost looks as if some players aren't even trying.

AFKABartram said:

se9addick said:

Just said on the post match that I’m starting to think Bowyer was the right man at a bad time, but he isn’t the right man at this time. 

I equally wonder at times whether we are the right club for some of our fans. I’m amazed how some just can’t deal with us ever losing games, only ever see ‘Dogshit’ and how they come to decide on a club like Charlton in the first place!

I think there’s been a catch 22 circle of too much chop / change, but equally individuals not performing when giving the opportunity, leading to more chop / change. There’s no real partnerships and combinations throughout the team formed that you can clearly see in a settled side like Accrington and MK Dons (who on paper are not better than us).

Injuries have been a massive factor, but also some of the signings are starting to look questionable. Bowyer has to decide on some combinations and hang his hat on them for the next few games. If it turns out not good enough  then his position starts to increasingly look untenable imo. 

You might be fine performing like this week-in-week-out when teams like Plymouth, MK and Accrington are playing us off the park, but I'm not. 

I want Bowyer to succeed here, but from what I've seen this season I just can't see him getting us promoted. Too negative, tactics questionable.

If your Sandgaard watching this from afar every week you'd think what is the big deal about him? 

AFKABartram said:

se9addick said:

Just said on the post match that I’m starting to think Bowyer was the right man at a bad time, but he isn’t the right man at this time. 

I equally wonder at times whether we are the right club for some of our fans. I’m amazed how some just can’t deal with us ever losing games, only ever see ‘Dogshit’ and how they come to decide on a club like Charlton in the first place!

I think there’s been a catch 22 circle of too much chop / change, but equally individuals not performing when giving the opportunity, leading to more chop / change. There’s no real partnerships and combinations throughout the team formed that you can clearly see in a settled side like Accrington and MK Dons (who on paper are not better than us).

Injuries have been a massive factor, but also some of the signings are starting to look questionable. Bowyer has to decide on some combinations and hang his hat on them for the next few games. If it turns out not good enough  then his position starts to increasingly look untenable imo. 

You're about where I was two or three weeks ago.

SouthWest_Addicks said:

Think Hull and Accrington will be in top 4 come end of the season. So not that annoyed with the last two results, but other performance have been terrible.

Huge game against Rochdale coming up next for Bowyer.

Long season and a few injuries will hurt a small squad like Accrington. 

We need something to change but not the manager. He needs help, our coaching numbers are light!