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Just went back and checked with my mate. Yep, it was one run with Hills, otherwise void. Might see if they're doing anything similar with one at a massive price (McFabulous to emerge as a top stayer perhaps?).0
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https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/why-four-of-jp-mcmanuss-runners-will-sport-famous-osullevan-silks-at-newbury/461070
What ever one thinks of the domination of racing by big owners, National Hunt would be very much the poorer without JP. Top man, caring for all the horses that carry his silks during and after their racing days, and genuine lover of the sport.5 -
Have met JP a couple times at Anthony's and on course and he really is a nice bloke. Loves talking about horses and the ones he has at Anthony's he takes back to his home for a holiday every Summer. Treats all the stable staff so well and is so down to earth.4
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killer kish said:Have met JP a couple times at Anthony's and on course and he really is a nice bloke. Loves talking about horses and the ones he has at Anthony's he takes back to his home for a holiday every Summer. Treats all the stable staff so well and is so down to earth.
I'll second that - an absolute gentleman.
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I was bemused checking the R Post cards this morning. J P has three runners (make that four !) in the 1.15 Newbury race in memory of Sir Peter O'Sullevan. The colours shown are nothing like JP's green and gold silks. The reason ?, on P O'S death, JP was gifted his silks and they are worn today in the memorial race as a tribute, the colours are very cool, black with a gold saltire and white cap, and should be seen more often0
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some cheltenham prospects out over the weekend
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I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever.PaddyP17 said:Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.
Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!
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Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):
- Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
- Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.
The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.
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It’s already reduced from 11-1 to 8-1PaddyP17 said:
I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever.PaddyP17 said:Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.
Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!
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Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):
- Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
- Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.
The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.0 -
Ah, balls. Hadn't checked the odds since requesting. Even so, 8/1 isn't too bad.meldrew66 said:
It’s already reduced from 11-1 to 8-1PaddyP17 said:
I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever.PaddyP17 said:Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.
Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!
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Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):
- Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
- Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.
The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.0 -
Some good racing at Cheltenham tomorrow. My moneys going on Fanion D’estruval in the 1.50.0
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Bring back the flat! Absolutely tanking when come down 3 out.0
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Cepage bet of the day for me today. Great jumper of a fence and drop back in trip from the 3m silliness in March.0
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Frodon. Frost. Incredible.1
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A lot of “good” things didn’t turn up today.Epatante, clan des obeaux, cyrname, asterion forlange, to name a few.0
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Absolute bloodbath today. Bookies must be delighted. When two of the first three winners of the day are 100 and 125/1 shots it says it all!1
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Fair play to frost and frodon but the typical ott reaction from the media outlets is a tad annoying, may not be the right thing but too many good things didn’t turn up in that race including 2 of nicholls.2 for the Welsh national tomorrow
ramses de telle and prime venture
usually go on 27th at kempton for obvious reasons won’t be there tomorrow, but fancy altior to get turned over and have had a small bet on Christopher wood in the last.0 -
chepstow and limerick off.0
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Wow, what a finish to the Savills Chase. Amazing race, amazing ride by Darragh O'Keeffe to get A Plus Tard up on the line. Great stuff.
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The old favourite and 2nd in each of the last 4 Festivals, Melon, still has to be a bit of value @ 12/1 for the Ryanair and @ 33/1 for the Gold Cup respectively?
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That was highly impressive from The Big Getaway.1
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Had an entry for one of my horses tomorrow 3.00 Market Rasen but trainer has said I'm not taking on the Candlish horse so not running. This may or may not be a tip as such just passing on the info4
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The race mentioned above is now the 2.50 and the Candlish horse is Barney,currently 9/4 best price with BET3651
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Went off 2/1 favourite and came second. Golden Emblem wins at 8/1.0
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crap xmas betting wise for me 7 2nds!
cheltenham off on new years day due to weather.0 -
Invested in a couple of horses with the owners group, Huelgoat with Nichols and Blue Stello with Henderson, neither have run yet ?1
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killer kish said:The race mentioned above is now the 2.50 and the Candlish horse is Barney,currently 9/4 best price with BET3651st5
- Age 6
- Weight 11-8
- Trainer N P Mulholland
- Jockey Sam Twiston-Davies
mid-division, jumped into third 4 out, progress before 2 out, disputing lead approaching last, ran on readily
2nd4 l4
2/1- Age 5
- Weight 11-9
- Trainer Jennie Candlish
- Jockey Sean Quinlan
in touch, jumped to front 3 out going well, disputing lead approaching last, soon lost lead run-in
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Account restricted on Boylesports this morning after having £15 each way on Sharjah in the Matheson come in at 9/1... the most profitable bet I've ever laid with them. Bookmakers are having a laugh - you can't get away with more than one or two half decent winning bets before getting turfed out!
Has anyone managed to hold down a high street bookmaker's account without either staking or losing a fortune? If so, which firms?!2 -
Watched it and thought Sean asked the question far too late. He should have bumped Barnay along a furlong further out at least to keep him up to his work, and you'd have seen a much closer finish. Not the greatest ride you'll see (though far from a disgrace).Callumcafc said:Went off 2/1 favourite and came second. Golden Emblem wins at 8/1.0 -
It's basically impossible. Suffice to say that one has to have a lot of relatives all with an interest in the racing/football/whatever markets you're focusing on.ISawLeaburnScore said:Account restricted on Boylesports this morning after having £15 each way on Sharjah in the Matheson come in at 9/1... the most profitable bet I've ever laid with them. Bookmakers are having a laugh - you can't get away with more than one or two half decent winning bets before getting turfed out!
Has anyone managed to hold down a high street bookmaker's account without either staking or losing a fortune? If so, which firms?!
You'll also be marked out if there is a specific pattern to what you're betting on even if you're losing at the time (for instance, Asian handicaps in football in a certain way; certain in-play betting systems etc). A friend of mine has been found out for in-play cricket lines on various bookies because they're a smaller market. Likewise, I was restricted by one for a bet on an NFL game spread, after which they subsequently moved it by a point (might have been coincidence and other people also had the same thoughts). Also, if there's a bet that's deemed to be out of character for you they will restrict and cite potential foul play/betting on someone's behalf.
There are no good ways to retain an account, unless you deliberately piss money away, or have lots of relatives.3 -
It's a real shame as although I use the exchanges for win only bets, there are benefits to bookies that I'd like to retain - particularly paying 4-5-6 each way in bigger field handicaps and Best Odds Guaranteed (albeit most have now severely restricted this).PaddyP17 said:
It's basically impossible. Suffice to say that one has to have a lot of relatives all with an interest in the racing/football/whatever markets you're focusing on.ISawLeaburnScore said:Account restricted on Boylesports this morning after having £15 each way on Sharjah in the Matheson come in at 9/1... the most profitable bet I've ever laid with them. Bookmakers are having a laugh - you can't get away with more than one or two half decent winning bets before getting turfed out!
Has anyone managed to hold down a high street bookmaker's account without either staking or losing a fortune? If so, which firms?!
You'll also be marked out if there is a specific pattern to what you're betting on even if you're losing at the time (for instance, Asian handicaps in football in a certain way; certain in-play betting systems etc). A friend of mine has been found out for in-play cricket lines on various bookies because they're a smaller market. Likewise, I was restricted by one for a bet on an NFL game spread, after which they subsequently moved it by a point (might have been coincidence and other people also had the same thoughts). Also, if there's a bet that's deemed to be out of character for you they will restrict and cite potential foul play/betting on someone's behalf.
There are no good ways to retain an account, unless you deliberately piss money away, or have lots of relatives.
The only one I've managed to keep long term is William Hill.
Given the glitz of advertising and promotional offers I think they should all be made to say on every advert that as soon as you start collecting you'll be out on your ear.3
