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  • Dave Clarke has told my pal to back Sober Express for the Essex Vase Currently 5/1 (Greyhound)
  • Shishkin 5/2 to go through current NH season unbeaten
  • Is there a minimum amount of races he has to take part in?

  • iaitch said:
    Is there a minimum amount of races he has to take part in?

    No. I had Altior to do this in 2018/2019 before his run in the Desert Orchid (after the Tingle Creek) and duly got 4/1 for essentially four races in which he went off at 1/8, 1/10, 4/11 and 1/6. That was easy money.
  • Saw with Corals its three races so that's only another prep race then Festival
  • PaddyP17 said:
    iaitch said:
    Is there a minimum amount of races he has to take part in?

    No. I had Altior to do this in 2018/2019 before his run in the Desert Orchid (after the Tingle Creek) and duly got 4/1 for essentially four races in which he went off at 1/8, 1/10, 4/11 and 1/6. That was easy money.
    In that case the owner has £2million pounds at 5/2 and then says the horse won't run again this season!
  • I know that the bookie would not take this stake. Probably offer him £2.50 at 5/2.
  • iaitch said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    iaitch said:
    Is there a minimum amount of races he has to take part in?

    No. I had Altior to do this in 2018/2019 before his run in the Desert Orchid (after the Tingle Creek) and duly got 4/1 for essentially four races in which he went off at 1/8, 1/10, 4/11 and 1/6. That was easy money.
    In that case the owner has £2million pounds at 5/2 and then says the horse won't run again this season!
    I must be mistaken - that's a very good point. I know I took this when he was declared for the Desert Orchid so maybe it was just the one run with Hills! 
  • Just went back and checked with my mate. Yep, it was one run with Hills, otherwise void. Might see if they're doing anything similar with one at a massive price (McFabulous to emerge as a top stayer perhaps?).
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  • Have met JP a couple times at Anthony's and on course and he really is a nice bloke. Loves talking about horses and the ones he has at Anthony's he takes back to his home for a holiday every Summer. Treats all the stable staff so well and is so down to earth. 
  • Have met JP a couple times at Anthony's and on course and he really is a nice bloke. Loves talking about horses and the ones he has at Anthony's he takes back to his home for a holiday every Summer. Treats all the stable staff so well and is so down to earth. 

    I'll second that - an absolute gentleman.
  • edited November 2020
    I was bemused checking the R Post cards this morning. J P has three runners (make that four !) in the 1.15 Newbury race in memory of Sir Peter O'Sullevan. The colours shown are nothing like JP's green and gold silks. The reason ?, on P O'S death, JP was gifted his silks and they are worn today in the memorial race as a tribute, the colours are very cool, black with a gold saltire and white cap, and should be seen more often 
  • some cheltenham prospects out over the weekend 

    envoi allen looks unbeatable and the 2/1 for the marsh at the festival could look HUGE
  • PaddyP17 said:
    Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.

    Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
    I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever. 

    That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!

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    Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):

    - Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
    - Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.

    The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.
  • PaddyP17 said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.

    Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
    I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever. 

    That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!

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    Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):

    - Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
    - Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.

    The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.
    It’s already reduced from 11-1 to 8-1
  • meldrew66 said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.

    Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
    I'm one for two on these: Ballyadam is now best price 8s and I would absolutely take advantage if I were you lot. Ferny Hollow has been on a notable drift (rumours of a season-long injury, or maybe a fractured pelvis) and Ballyadam's Royal Bond performance can be upgraded for clattering the last and not coming off the bridle whatsoever. 

    That said, McFabulous didn't get the Stayers' trip. One to wait on. I hope to see a Paisley Park resurgence!

    --------

    Another cracking shout I've seen is a Sky special - Shishkin and Envoi Allen both to win any race by one length or more (11/1):

    - Assuming Shishkin goes to the Arkle, nine of the last ten have been won by more than length, with seven of the last ten won by favourites.
    - Eight out of ten Marshes have been won by a length or more, while really good horses (e.g. Vautour RIP) have won by 15 lengths.

    The normal double is 5/1, so 11/1 seems like a good sweetener.
    It’s already reduced from 11-1 to 8-1
    Ah, balls. Hadn't checked the odds since requesting. Even so, 8/1 isn't too bad.
  • Some good racing at Cheltenham tomorrow. My moneys going on Fanion D’estruval in the 1.50.
  • edited December 2020
    Bring back the flat! Absolutely tanking when come down 3 out.
  • Cepage bet of the day for me today. Great jumper of a fence and drop back in trip from the 3m silliness in March.
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  • Frodon. Frost. Incredible.
  • A lot of “good” things didn’t turn up today. 
    Epatante, clan des obeaux, cyrname, asterion forlange, to name a few. 
  • Absolute bloodbath today. Bookies must be delighted. When two of the first three winners of the day are 100 and 125/1 shots it says it all!
  • Fair play to frost and frodon but the typical ott reaction from the media outlets is a tad annoying, may not be the right thing but too many good things didn’t turn up in that race including 2 of nicholls. 

    2 for the Welsh national tomorrow 
    ramses de telle and prime venture 

    usually go on 27th at kempton for obvious reasons won’t be there tomorrow, but fancy altior to get turned over and have had a small bet on Christopher wood in the last. 
  • chepstow and limerick off. 
  • The old favourite and 2nd in each of the last 4 Festivals, Melon, still has to be a bit of value @ 12/1 for the Ryanair and @ 33/1 for the Gold Cup respectively? 



  • That was highly impressive from The Big Getaway.
  • Had an entry for one of my horses tomorrow 3.00 Market Rasen but trainer has said I'm not taking on the Candlish horse so not running. This may or may not be a tip as such just passing on the info 
  • The race mentioned above is now the 2.50 and the Candlish horse is Barney,currently 9/4 best price with BET365
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