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  • Looking right ahead to Cheltenham already and I think one for the Supreme is Ballyadam (20s or so). Was bought for 300k, and in NH terms, that is a ridiculous amount of money. Jamie Codd has sung Ballyadam's praises, and along with Gordon Elliott, says he's a speedy horse too. GE is starting him over two miles and I have a suspicion he might well stay there rather than eventually take the step up to the Ballymore, which is the lazy assumption at the moment. Ferny Hollow is also owned by Cheveley Park Stud and is the current AP favourite for the Supreme, but looks a bit too keen for two miles, while also staying on in the Bumper last year.

    Having looked at the Persian War, too, I think McFabulous (14s with Bob's lot) is a fantastic shout for the Stayers' Hurdle. It's easy to get carried away with seasonal reappearances, but Harry Cobden did not move a muscle on board. He attacks the hurdles really well and looks the absolute part right now. I was very, very taken with the ride and in beating Courtandbold so easily - a useful horse from a yard going great guns - I was impressed.
  • Melbourne Cup:
    Father-in-law (who's normally pretty good at picking the winner) says no. 18, Ashrun.
  • Danepak said:
    Melbourne Cup:
    Father-in-law (who's normally pretty good at picking the winner) says no. 18, Ashrun.
    Sky Racing 4am according to my mate.
  • Twilight Payment wins for Joseph O’Brien. Tiger Moth 2nd, Prince of Arran 3rd.
  • Fave gets turned over by his sons 25/1 runner - suspect 😂😂

    anthony van dyck passed during race - rip
  • Fave gets turned over by his sons 25/1 runner - suspect 😂😂

    anthony van dyck passed during race - rip
    carrying a record weight in reported 30 o C .. not good
  • Glass Slippers just won the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint 😍
  • edited November 2020
    Glass Slippers just won the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint 😍
    that must be the biggest payday for Ryan and Eves, great result .. 
  • Horses and humans feel the same pain when whipped, study finds

    Landmark research comes as Racing Victoria tables proposal to phase out the whip, saying rules on its use ‘no longer appropriate’

    There is no significant difference in the way humans and horses experience the pain of being struck by a whip, according to a landmark study that researchers say should end the argument on the continued use of the whip in horse racing.

    It comes as Racing Victoria reaffirmed its commitment to reforming whip rules, after it formally tabled a proposal to phase out the whip at a board meeting of Racing Australia on Wednesday.

    Racing Victoria said it would not discuss the meeting but that it maintained its belief that “the current national whip rules are no longer appropriate and that whip reform is vital for the future of our sport”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/horse-whip-humans-feel-same-pain-study-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

  • Once we’re back to some sort of normality want to visit a lot more racecourses.

    the tingle creek and the festival are my 2 usual trips for the year. 
    I’m biased because I work there, but the 3 day August festival at Brighton is a great day/s out. Stunning views over the coast & South Downs & such a cool city for a night out.....
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  • Not everyone's cup of tea Brighton racecourse but I really like and had many a good day there
  • Horses and humans feel the same pain when whipped, study finds

    Landmark research comes as Racing Victoria tables proposal to phase out the whip, saying rules on its use ‘no longer appropriate’

    There is no significant difference in the way humans and horses experience the pain of being struck by a whip, according to a landmark study that researchers say should end the argument on the continued use of the whip in horse racing.

    It comes as Racing Victoria reaffirmed its commitment to reforming whip rules, after it formally tabled a proposal to phase out the whip at a board meeting of Racing Australia on Wednesday.

    Racing Victoria said it would not discuss the meeting but that it maintained its belief that “the current national whip rules are no longer appropriate and that whip reform is vital for the future of our sport”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/horse-whip-humans-feel-same-pain-study-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Didn't need to look further in than the article to find that the headline is slightly misleading. 

    "The dermis of the horse – the layer of tissue below the epidermis, or outer layer of skin – is significantly thicker than that of humans. But this research, led by veterinary pathologist Dr Lydia Tong of the Taronga Conservation Society, said that while that thicker dermis may offer some resilience against trauma, “it is not considered protective from external cutaneous pain”."

    I'm not a dermatologist but I'd have thought there might be significance in that. After all, having been hit by a modern race horse whip myself, it's not hurt. What this study appears to determine is that human skin and horse skin has the same sensitivity on the outer layers, and not much further else.
  • Horses and humans feel the same pain when whipped, study finds

    Landmark research comes as Racing Victoria tables proposal to phase out the whip, saying rules on its use ‘no longer appropriate’

    There is no significant difference in the way humans and horses experience the pain of being struck by a whip, according to a landmark study that researchers say should end the argument on the continued use of the whip in horse racing.

    It comes as Racing Victoria reaffirmed its commitment to reforming whip rules, after it formally tabled a proposal to phase out the whip at a board meeting of Racing Australia on Wednesday.

    Racing Victoria said it would not discuss the meeting but that it maintained its belief that “the current national whip rules are no longer appropriate and that whip reform is vital for the future of our sport”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/horse-whip-humans-feel-same-pain-study-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Should extend the amount of whips allowed then, the Mrs loves it
  • From a mate;

    Hi guys just got off the phone to my brother and he has told me that his horse Rakhine state is running at Cheltenham 1.15 tomorrow, he is currently 16/1 on paddy power so definitely worth a e/W bet, the trainer has said he has never seen the horse this “READY” for a race might be worth a shot for you guys
    18s on skybet with 6 places but as it’s extra place race they aren’t BOG.
  • From a mate;

    Hi guys just got off the phone to my brother and he has told me that his horse Rakhine state is running at Cheltenham 1.15 tomorrow, he is currently 16/1 on paddy power so definitely worth a e/W bet, the trainer has said he has never seen the horse this “READY” for a race might be worth a shot for you guys
    18s on skybet with 6 places but as it’s extra place race they aren’t BOG.
    Into 16s on Sky.
    But 18s still available on William Hill.
    Just did £2.50 e/w.
  • Any skybet horse racing market with “ extra places “ does not offer best odds gauranteed. It could be nothing last time I backed it at 25/1 it came 2nd drifted like a barge and only backed it to win! 
  • 23 on Betfair at the moment, only £67 available though.
  • 25s with Bob's lot.

    Only 4 places though - 1/4 odds.
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  • Will be glued to XC at 3pm, naturally   :)
  • Easysland if wins well today 2/1 could look huge for the xc at the festival 
  • Easysland if wins well today 2/1 could look huge for the xc at the festival 
    same race as Tiger Roll
  • I fancy 
    1.50 beat the judge
    4.05 the bees knees

  • From a mate;

    Hi guys just got off the phone to my brother and he has told me that his horse Rakhine state is running at Cheltenham 1.15 tomorrow, he is currently 16/1 on paddy power so definitely worth a e/W bet, the trainer has said he has never seen the horse this “READY” for a race might be worth a shot for you guys
    Started off badly and fell away :-(
  • Sorry chaps
  • Free £5 bet with PP for the 13.50.

    I've gone for Beat the Judge
  • Sorry chaps
    Not at all mate. Think that massive drift throughout the morning might have been the punters being stitched up!
  • Brief thoughts for Cheltenham today:

    1.50 - Beat The Judge
    2.25 - wouldn't have a dart in a race like this, but at the prices, Mossy Fen
    3.00 - this will be Easysland by a long way. Tentative pick of Little Bruce to fill a place, maybe.
    3.35 - Grand Mogul
    4.05 - The Bees Knees (hardly imaginative but Fergal is in fantastic form. His other shot has come in to 17/2 from 11s though so one to note). Percy's Word and Seaborn are ones I'll be noting given their potential/lack of exposition.
  • What a ride Kingswell Theatre 
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