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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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When players suddenly have a purple scoring patch , is it because they've finally broken through OR is it just a one off golden period in their career?LTKapal said:
Blackpool mate of mine over summer when he heard we were in said despite his goalscoring record, as a player he didn't rate him that highly and didn't think it would be a good signing.addick1956 said:
Except with the wages cap you can't legally do that without movement in first and then guaranteed movement out. Anyway why is Gnanduillet being heaved out ? Footballers seeking work all over the place at present so I can't see it as a voluntary move.golfaddick said:
I would have him AND Schwartz. Ditch Bogle & then you have 4 strikers to rotate.king addick said:https://the72.co.uk/211454/ex-cardiff-city-and-charlton-athletic-target-becomes-available/
Armand Gnanduillet has become available on a free? I know it seems pretty much stamped that we are getting Ronnie but if it fell through, would anyone fancy him coming in?
His record in a bang average Blackpool team is decent.
Too often teams buy strikers after a great season which is never repeated again, Nicky Ajose being a prime example0 -
Sadly I think the last sentence is true.Ben18 said:Wouldn’t read too much into that tweet. Grimsby have major off field issues at the moment, and assume these two represent some stability returning.
Bogle is a hero there, and more than likely just showing his support.2 -
Yeah Hurst was his Manager when they reached the Football League so cant see it being anything more than thatBen18 said:Wouldn’t read too much into that tweet. Grimsby have major off field issues at the moment, and assume these two represent some stability returning.
Bogle is a hero there, and more than likely just showing his support.1 -
I’ll drive him there myself.....if he wears a face mask and sanitises his handsElliotCAFC said:
Most likely nothing in it but this tweet has sent Grimsby fans into meltdown5 -
Because he isn’t very good! Not every player that pulls on the shirt is good, bogle is one!addick1956 said:
Then your car will be impounded by police and you will have to walk back.Todds_right_hook said:
I’ll drive him there myself.....if he wears a face mask and sanitises his handsElliotCAFC said:Most likely nothing in it but this tweet has sent Grimsby fans into meltdown
Why do so many Charlton supporters like a scapegoat or two ?
Players talk and such malevolence could lead to players thinking that they don't need such malevolent crap and go elsewhere.0 -
Exactly a freebie for them & we lose his wagesLargeAddick said:
They will get him for nothing now too if we want shot of him.golfaddick said:
Seeing as he's a free agent in the summer I don't know why clubs don't just wait & get him for nothing then......unless they are really desperate for a small player who doesn't score.MattF said:0 -
Apart from his 2 goals, he does create chances ....... Bogle's got 3 assists.ElliotCAFC said:Bogle is a striker that doesn’t create chances or score goals, he’s pretty good at holding the ball up but that’s not what we need.Hopefully he goes and we can use his wages on a loan.
That only credits him with those chances he created that his team mates scored from, rather than the ones they missed!
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Didn't know that Lenny Glover had been a bad boy, any details ?Oggy Red said:
Graham Moore, Wales & Charlton, was our skipper of the legendary Firmani side 1968-69. He did.Todds_right_hook said:
Colin Walsh became a builder and then got a job for pwc as front of house, welcoming guests.Oggy Red said:
They do.iaitch said:
Can't footballers have another career after playing? Plenty of other people lose their jobs and are told to retrain themselves, why not footballers?cafcfan1990 said:
I agree it’s more than most fans get, but most fans have a career longer than 10-15 years.ElliotCAFC said:
Agree with the sentiment but the average League 2 player is on £2,200 a week to play football, I highly doubt even 1% of football fans get paid anywhere near that.thickandthin63 said:If anyone ever felt that being a footballer in the lower leagues was glamorous,I think that image is truly extinguished.Players at this level earn not a lot more ,and in some cases less than the fans who watch them,they have little security and are moved around regularly rarely spending enough time at a club to get settled.We always have players coming to the end of their contracts,who dont know if they will get a new deal,players not been with clubs long who just have not clicked,and obviously fear losing their jobs,and being shunted off again.We have Aneke publicly stating his concern about his contract running out,Lapslie been here since a kid,now not wanted,we spent ages getting Ozi,now not wanted,Others in the squad who have not at present come good,that is just at Charlton.Digressed from the transfer rumours but needed to get this of my chest,wish we could be a little more tolerant to the guys on the pitch who are trying their best.Yes it’s tough to move city every couple of years but if you’re earning over £100,000 a year, every year, then it’s hardly a major problem.
Think of the 80% of professional footballers who've never played in the Prem ...... never had the big contracts/signing on fees to set them up for life.
Over the generations, England World Cup winning hat-trick hero Geoff Hurst sold insurance; Addicks striker 'King' Arthur Horsfield became a postman; and our legendary Wembley hero Clive Mendonca works on a production line in a Nissan car factory.
Richard Rufus even became a vicar!
john bumstead became a black cab driver
I think I read that Carl leaburn became a security guard
steve jones became an eBay entrepreneur
did derek hales run pubs?
And Charlie Wright, our keeper in the same side, ran his cafe in Greenwich.
Not forgetting, Len Glover, who got involved in nefarious activities and spent time as a guest of Her Maj.
As did also, Mark Aizlewood, Wales & Charlton, our skipper in Lenny's promotion side to the top tier First Division, 1985-86.0 -
Sorry non league standardLaddick01 said:
Still don’t think he’s a terrible footballer. Definitely not above league one quality, but look dangerous when we first picked him up.ElliotCAFC said:Most likely nothing in it but this tweet has sent Grimsby fans into meltdown
Sadly we can’t afford a striker that doesn’t score goals.2 -
Lets hope he does, at this level he is hopeless. If we didn't have the cap or TS had come in a month earlier Bogle wouldn't have been anywhere near this clubaddick1956 said:
Then your car will be impounded by police and you will have to walk back.Todds_right_hook said:
I’ll drive him there myself.....if he wears a face mask and sanitises his handsElliotCAFC said:Most likely nothing in it but this tweet has sent Grimsby fans into meltdown
Why do so many Charlton supporters like a scapegoat or two ?
Players talk and such malevolence could lead to players thinking that they don't need such malevolent crap and go elsewhere.2 -
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@LenGlover posts on here. Why not ask him?charltonbob said:
Didn't know that Lenny Glover had been a bad boy, any details ?Oggy Red said:
Graham Moore, Wales & Charlton, was our skipper of the legendary Firmani side 1968-69. He did.Todds_right_hook said:
Colin Walsh became a builder and then got a job for pwc as front of house, welcoming guests.Oggy Red said:
They do.iaitch said:
Can't footballers have another career after playing? Plenty of other people lose their jobs and are told to retrain themselves, why not footballers?cafcfan1990 said:
I agree it’s more than most fans get, but most fans have a career longer than 10-15 years.ElliotCAFC said:
Agree with the sentiment but the average League 2 player is on £2,200 a week to play football, I highly doubt even 1% of football fans get paid anywhere near that.thickandthin63 said:If anyone ever felt that being a footballer in the lower leagues was glamorous,I think that image is truly extinguished.Players at this level earn not a lot more ,and in some cases less than the fans who watch them,they have little security and are moved around regularly rarely spending enough time at a club to get settled.We always have players coming to the end of their contracts,who dont know if they will get a new deal,players not been with clubs long who just have not clicked,and obviously fear losing their jobs,and being shunted off again.We have Aneke publicly stating his concern about his contract running out,Lapslie been here since a kid,now not wanted,we spent ages getting Ozi,now not wanted,Others in the squad who have not at present come good,that is just at Charlton.Digressed from the transfer rumours but needed to get this of my chest,wish we could be a little more tolerant to the guys on the pitch who are trying their best.Yes it’s tough to move city every couple of years but if you’re earning over £100,000 a year, every year, then it’s hardly a major problem.
Think of the 80% of professional footballers who've never played in the Prem ...... never had the big contracts/signing on fees to set them up for life.
Over the generations, England World Cup winning hat-trick hero Geoff Hurst sold insurance; Addicks striker 'King' Arthur Horsfield became a postman; and our legendary Wembley hero Clive Mendonca works on a production line in a Nissan car factory.
Richard Rufus even became a vicar!
john bumstead became a black cab driver
I think I read that Carl leaburn became a security guard
steve jones became an eBay entrepreneur
did derek hales run pubs?
And Charlie Wright, our keeper in the same side, ran his cafe in Greenwich.
Not forgetting, Len Glover, who got involved in nefarious activities and spent time as a guest of Her Maj.
As did also, Mark Aizlewood, Wales & Charlton, our skipper in Lenny's promotion side to the top tier First Division, 1985-86.
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Don’t see how you can slate bogle and Washington and leave Smyth out? What has Smyth done? Send him back too?DOUCHER said:we need schwarz plus 2 more pacy strikers - we don't need bogle or washington in any shape, form or status - they weaken the team being on the pitch as does jfc and oshelaja - if i were TS and wanted a way of bolstering the quality of the side, that is what i would be looking to do even though in normal circumstances, it would seem like chucking money away2 -
He is the only player we have at the moment with any pace.cafc_se7 said:
Don’t see how you can slate bogle and Washington and leave Smyth out? What has Smyth done? Send him back too?DOUCHER said:we need schwarz plus 2 more pacy strikers - we don't need bogle or washington in any shape, form or status - they weaken the team being on the pitch as does jfc and oshelaja - if i were TS and wanted a way of bolstering the quality of the side, that is what i would be looking to do even though in normal circumstances, it would seem like chucking money away5 -
I listened to an interview with Lincoln boss. Their club was at a crossroads last season. Average age in the squad was 31. They've cut out all the dead wood and now have an average of '22'. Despite this youthfull team they have gone with hungry youngsters on loan from the Prem clubs to give them the quality, pace and fitness, that sits them top of the league. This wasn't an accident, it was the strategy. Maybe Bowyer, Gallen and Thomas, should take note.Oggy Red said:
He's 31. His club now has a policy of rebuilding with younger players.Starinnaddick said:Shouldn't we be asking why his club continue to refuse to play Ronnie. What has he done?4 -
Washington is just as quick! He’s no slouch!fog horn said:
He is the only player we have at the moment with any pace.cafc_se7 said:
Don’t see how you can slate bogle and Washington and leave Smyth out? What has Smyth done? Send him back too?DOUCHER said:we need schwarz plus 2 more pacy strikers - we don't need bogle or washington in any shape, form or status - they weaken the team being on the pitch as does jfc and oshelaja - if i were TS and wanted a way of bolstering the quality of the side, that is what i would be looking to do even though in normal circumstances, it would seem like chucking money away2 -
People seem to forget that Karlan missed chance after chance after chance at this level 2 seasons ago! The miss at anfield the other night reminded me of the Shrewsbury away game where he missed about 10 of a similar sort!5
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I actually think Bogle was quite decent at the start of the season, didn't really score but gave everything and softened defences plus some very decent hold up play and reasonable passing. Bowyer blasted him after one performance and to me, he has looked a bit off his game since; not as keen/interested.
All players react differently to being called out and I suspect he is one that reacts badly.6 -
That’s interesting, what games did he get an assist? I’ve had a look at this our previous games and I can’t point to any goal that he’s assisted, let alone 3.Oggy Red said:
Apart from his 2 goals, he does create chances ....... Bogle's got 3 assists.ElliotCAFC said:Bogle is a striker that doesn’t create chances or score goals, he’s pretty good at holding the ball up but that’s not what we need.Hopefully he goes and we can use his wages on a loan.
That only credits him with those chances he created that his team mates scored from, rather than the ones they missed!I think the issue with Bogle is that he’s not what we need and we’re not what he needs. If he was playing for a lesser league one team who built their team around him, I’m certain he’d score more goals.He was a last minute signing to pack out the squad and it hasn’t worked.1 -
Are you comparing Karlan Grant to Omar Bogle?cafc_se7 said:People seem to forget that Karlan missed chance after chance after chance at this level 2 seasons ago! The miss at anfield the other night reminded me of the Shrewsbury away game where he missed about 10 of a similar sort!8 -
Northampton away was one. Didn’t realise he had 2 more though.ElliotCAFC said:
That’s interesting, what games did he get an assist? I’ve had a look at this our previous games and I can’t point to any goal that he’s assisted, let alone 3.Oggy Red said:
Apart from his 2 goals, he does create chances ....... Bogle's got 3 assists.ElliotCAFC said:Bogle is a striker that doesn’t create chances or score goals, he’s pretty good at holding the ball up but that’s not what we need.Hopefully he goes and we can use his wages on a loan.
That only credits him with those chances he created that his team mates scored from, rather than the ones they missed!I think the issue with Bogle is that he’s not what we need and we’re not what he needs. If he was playing for a lesser league one team who built their team around him, I’m certain he’d score more goals.He was a last minute signing to pack out the squad and it hasn’t worked.0 -
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Fair enough, I wasn’t sure if you could class that as an assist as he didn’t play the ball. I’m pretty sure it just hit him from 4 yards out and Pratley smashed in the ricochet.stoneroses19 said:
Northampton away was one. Didn’t realise he had 2 more though.ElliotCAFC said:
That’s interesting, what games did he get an assist? I’ve had a look at this our previous games and I can’t point to any goal that he’s assisted, let alone 3.Oggy Red said:
Apart from his 2 goals, he does create chances ....... Bogle's got 3 assists.ElliotCAFC said:Bogle is a striker that doesn’t create chances or score goals, he’s pretty good at holding the ball up but that’s not what we need.Hopefully he goes and we can use his wages on a loan.
That only credits him with those chances he created that his team mates scored from, rather than the ones they missed!I think the issue with Bogle is that he’s not what we need and we’re not what he needs. If he was playing for a lesser league one team who built their team around him, I’m certain he’d score more goals.He was a last minute signing to pack out the squad and it hasn’t worked.The salient point is that he’s not creating or scoring enough to warrant starting every week. I actually really like him as a person, a real gentle giant, but he’s just not good enough for what we want to achieve.2 -
FWIW Transfermarkt also has his down as only having 1 assist for usElliotCAFC said:
That’s interesting, what games did he get an assist? I’ve had a look at this our previous games and I can’t point to any goal that he’s assisted, let alone 3.Oggy Red said:
Apart from his 2 goals, he does create chances ....... Bogle's got 3 assists.ElliotCAFC said:Bogle is a striker that doesn’t create chances or score goals, he’s pretty good at holding the ball up but that’s not what we need.Hopefully he goes and we can use his wages on a loan.
That only credits him with those chances he created that his team mates scored from, rather than the ones they missed!I think the issue with Bogle is that he’s not what we need and we’re not what he needs. If he was playing for a lesser league one team who built their team around him, I’m certain he’d score more goals.He was a last minute signing to pack out the squad and it hasn’t worked.0 -
i think smyth is a bit of a nearly man but he has pace and tries to take defenders on - i've seen enough of the other 2 to know they are not what we needcafc_se7 said:
Don’t see how you can slate bogle and Washington and leave Smyth out? What has Smyth done? Send him back too?DOUCHER said:we need schwarz plus 2 more pacy strikers - we don't need bogle or washington in any shape, form or status - they weaken the team being on the pitch as does jfc and oshelaja - if i were TS and wanted a way of bolstering the quality of the side, that is what i would be looking to do even though in normal circumstances, it would seem like chucking money away0 -
no chancecafc_se7 said:
Washington is just as quick! He’s no slouch!fog horn said:
He is the only player we have at the moment with any pace.cafc_se7 said:
Don’t see how you can slate bogle and Washington and leave Smyth out? What has Smyth done? Send him back too?DOUCHER said:we need schwarz plus 2 more pacy strikers - we don't need bogle or washington in any shape, form or status - they weaken the team being on the pitch as does jfc and oshelaja - if i were TS and wanted a way of bolstering the quality of the side, that is what i would be looking to do even though in normal circumstances, it would seem like chucking money away0 -
Heard he’s going to run a team of scouts specializing in undiscovered overseas talents - Jake’s Football Conquistadors.Henry Irving said:JFC has already taken courses to be a football scout
Yes I am still fogging this dead horse.5 -
cafc_se7 said:People seem to forget that Karlan missed chance after chance after chance at this level 2 seasons ago! The miss at anfield the other night reminded me of the Shrewsbury away game where he missed about 10 of a similar sort!
Yes he did. He missed some sitters that day so we were willing him to slot the penalty and he did. At least my memory is telling me that, which doesn't amount to much nowadays.
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It's tough for Levitt as Watson is undroppable, for one reason or another.
Osh unlikely to leave but unlikely to start.0 -
Funny place to go and play football in Turkey it seems. You either are massive success and stay for a few years or you dont hit the ground running and your contract is cancelled.addick1956 said:
Except with the wages cap you can't legally do that without movement in first and then guaranteed movement out. Anyway why is Gnanduillet being heaved out ? Footballers seeking work all over the place at present so I can't see it as a voluntary move.golfaddick said:
I would have him AND Schwartz. Ditch Bogle & then you have 4 strikers to rotate.king addick said:https://the72.co.uk/211454/ex-cardiff-city-and-charlton-athletic-target-becomes-available/
Armand Gnanduillet has become available on a free? I know it seems pretty much stamped that we are getting Ronnie but if it fell through, would anyone fancy him coming in?
His record in a bang average Blackpool team is decent.0 -
Can’t quite see where you’re coming from 😉.Exiled_Addick said:
Heard he’s going to run a team of scouts specializing in undiscovered overseas talents - Jake’s Football Conquistadors.Henry Irving said:JFC has already taken courses to be a football scout
Yes I am still fogging this dead horse.2
