The Haka

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

ITT: White people getting angry and dropping C bombs after being called out.

You must be drunk, I didn't insult the haka at all, in fact I asked if it should be protected from cultural appropriation by the New Zealand national team.

You then started being racist and didn't like it when you were called a bad name.

When did I say my comment was anything to do with you? 

Honest question - when was I being racist?

Where does the tag "gammon" come from. Genuine question

Dickens coined it in Nicholas Nickleby 

Here's the quote: 

The time had been, when this burst of enthusiasm would have been cheered to the very echo; but now, the deputation received it with chilling coldness. The general impression seemed to be, that as an explanation of Mr. Gregsbury’s political conduct, it did not enter quite enough into detail; and one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.

The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory.

Language evolves, just because a word was once not offensive does not mean it stays that way forever.

Okay, well, why does it offend you?

I think any term/insult referring to skin colour in wrong, doesn't matter if the victim is black/white/asian etc, same standards should apply to everyone.

So why does it offend you?

Do you have a problem with reading? Would it be ok if I called a black man a malteser, or an asian a banana?

Are you black, a malteser, an asian or a banana?

No, I'm white being called gammon, what's the difference between any of the examples? Nothing, you were being racist.

There's a pretty big difference between a white man calling a black man a maltesar and a white man calling another white man gammon. If you can't see that then... whelp.

But I have no idea of your skin colour, do i? Also, if you recall many deemed it racist when Ashley Cole (I think) called another black-man a choc ice, so whilst it might not be as bad, it's certainly not OK!

As some, like me, who lives as a minority, I would expect a little more sensitivity, sadly you seem lacking in that area, assuming the gender of an entire forum and racially sensitive language.

Funny your racial sensitivity doesn't extend to people who aren't white. Oh well. 

But it does, which is why I've pulled people up for unacceptable comments.

Is this thread a demonstration of what happens after a Haka?

kentaddick said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

kentaddick said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

ITT: White people getting angry and dropping C bombs after being called out.

You must be drunk, I didn't insult the haka at all, in fact I asked if it should be protected from cultural appropriation by the New Zealand national team.

You then started being racist and didn't like it when you were called a bad name.

When did I say my comment was anything to do with you? 

Honest question - when was I being racist?

Where does the tag "gammon" come from. Genuine question

Dickens coined it in Nicholas Nickleby 

Here's the quote: 

The time had been, when this burst of enthusiasm would have been cheered to the very echo; but now, the deputation received it with chilling coldness. The general impression seemed to be, that as an explanation of Mr. Gregsbury’s political conduct, it did not enter quite enough into detail; and one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.

The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory.

Language evolves, just because a word was once not offensive does not mean it stays that way forever.

Okay, well, why does it offend you?

I think any term/insult referring to skin colour in wrong, doesn't matter if the victim is black/white/asian etc, same standards should apply to everyone.

So why does it offend you?

Do you have a problem with reading? Would it be ok if I called a black man a malteser, or an asian a banana?

Are you black, a malteser, an asian or a banana?

No, I'm white being called gammon, what's the difference between any of the examples? Nothing, you were being racist.

There's a pretty big difference between a white man calling a black man a maltesar and a white man calling another white man gammon. If you can't see that then... whelp.

You're getting it all wrong today mate, didn't you read the memo? 

Is it "lets post casually racist shit online" day again? If so, yeah i think i missed that one mate.

No no no, the one that says taking the piss out of someone's skin colour is offensive and racist, even if it's the same as your own.

When did i take the piss out of people's skin colour? I took the piss out of people's ignorant and racist crap. I find it quite revealing that everyone seems to be dogpiling on the term gammon - a term that isn't racist, and not on people taking the piss out of a maori tradition. 

Let's not also get into the sociological discussion on whether you even can be racist to a white person.

Who was taking the piss out of a Maori tradition? People said it was shit and unnecessary at the start of a rugby match, that's hardly taking the piss, is it?

Of course you can be racist to a white person, I don't know if you've ever been somewhere where white people are the minority but it happens quite a lot, white people do not have a monopoly on being racist shit bags, unfortunately, as an example 洋鬼子 is a racial term aimed at white people in order to be offensive.

Athletico Charlton said:

Lincsaddick said:

psychologically brilliant .. the opposition stand around watching the opposition winding themselves up .. as I mentioned on a previous post about the haka, the oppos should be allowed to bombard the ABs with rotten tomatoes during their 'war dance'

I don’t believe the NZ haka is a war dance.

discussing it has certainly started a handbags war on here

iainment said:

When did the All Blacks first Haka before a game?

A version of the Haka was first performed before a New Zealand "Native" game on 3 October 1888, fifty years after Charles Dickens used the word "gammon" in Nicholas Nickleby. 

And the "All Blacks" performed it on their first tour of Great Britain in 1905 which started three months before Charlton Athletic's first-ever game. 

Dunno, I only speak Mandarin

kentaddick said:

- White man saying what is offensive and what isn't to another race.

- Claims not to be racist.

What a world. 

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

Unless you're a white Maori of course.

kentaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

kentaddick said:

Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:

Dave
Stu

So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?

I had no idea you were made to register on this forum as your christian name? 

Religionist

kentaddick said:

- White man saying what is offensive and what isn't to another race.

- Claims not to be racist.

What a world. 

It's getting bizarre now.  Are you on the wind up @kentaddick?  Are you trying to bet people to bite?