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The Haka
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That would be highly offensive and I'd need to go to my safe placeCroydon said:
They'd just scream and wag their tongue at you anywayi_b_b_o_r_g said:I'd happily say it to a New Zealander0 -
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It’s tedious isn’t it!Curb_It said:
There's that saying again, "middle aged and white". It really is a crime.kentaddick said:Great to see a group of middle aged white men chortling to themselves about a tradition of an indigenous people that this country colonised. Great look 👍🏼
Gammon is funny though, because it’s the lamest insult I think I’ve heard!1 -
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.1 -
Is this cos you've got dreadlocks again Daz? Nice try.Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.2 -
American isn't a language though. 😉ValleyGary said:
Its American for arse. Please don't assume, thanks.kentaddick said:
And now using women's genitals as an insult. I mean really guys, are we playing gammon bingo now?ValleyGary said:
Don't be such a fanny ffskentaddick said:Great to see a group of middle aged white men chortling to themselves about a tradition of an indigenous people that this country colonised. Great look 👍🏼1 -
Some interesting views on here about the pros and cons of the Haka. Two points: Ireland kind of have an edge having the right to sing two national anthems prior to internationals - the Soldier's Song and the rousing Ireland's Call (enabling their Captain and others from NI to sing along).
Also err technically the Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand but rather Polynesia. They are thought to have started colonising mainly North Island of NZ later than the Normans invaded England.2 -
So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?kentaddick said:Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:
Dave
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Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.0 - Sponsored links:
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So the Haka is in fact a celebration of the Maori people colonial past. That's nothing to be proud of and has no place in 2019Dugdaleclass said:Some interesting views on here about the pros and cons of the Haka. Two points: Ireland kind of have an edge having the right to sing two national anthems prior to internationals - the Soldier's Song and the rousing Ireland's Call (enabling their Captain and others from NI to sing along).
Also err technically the Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand but rather Polynesia. They are thought to have started colonising mainly North Island of NZ later than the Normans invaded England.0 -
Take no notice of "them" StulotteStu_of_Kunming said:
So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?kentaddick said:Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:
Dave
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I am ambiguous about it, but if, as @Dugdaleclass says, the opposition are supposed to act in a certain way (presumably a at the request of the rugby authorities), and are looked down on if they don't, then it is bollocks.
I don't see why any national side should be given special dispensation to do anything that others are not.
We could start a tradition where opposition teams have to change in the car park...
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It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.1 -
Well, yeah, they literally colonised it. As in - no human beings were there before.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So the Haka is in fact a celebration of the Maori people colonial past. That's nothing to be proud of and has no place in 2019Dugdaleclass said:Some interesting views on here about the pros and cons of the Haka. Two points: Ireland kind of have an edge having the right to sing two national anthems prior to internationals - the Soldier's Song and the rousing Ireland's Call (enabling their Captain and others from NI to sing along).
Also err technically the Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand but rather Polynesia. They are thought to have started colonising mainly North Island of NZ later than the Normans invaded England.0 -
I had no idea you were made to register on this forum as your christian name?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?kentaddick said:Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:
Dave
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Can I have a ring of pineapple on me1
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No. Turning your back on it is cowardly and disrespectful. That's why it's rare to see rugby players do it, because, generally, they're neither.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So the Haka trumps all. It shows them to be brave warriors and anyone who don't watch and respect it, is not a warrior and is a trembling coward. What about if the person turning their back fronts em and kicks the fuck out of the team one by one, once they finished pulling faces?Chizz said:
It's also a means of determining which of their opponents are brave, respectful warriors and which are trembling cowards. Turning your back on it would help make that decision far easier.golfaddick said:If I was an opponent I would just turn my back on it. It's supposed to intimidatary......cant intimidate if you dont take any notice of it.
Jesus wept, the original question was obviously asked purely in the rugby / sporting sense, does anyone find the Kiwis doing he Haka embarrassing etc. Now, cheers to the usual suspects its like it's an attack on Māori culture, which it clearly ain't.
My answer to Golfie's question was also purely in the "rugby/sporting sense".
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And here we have a middle aged white man slowly realising he's actually been a bit racist. Now, instead of apologising he simply gets defensive, huffy and red faced. A state known today as "gammon".ValleyGary said:
It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.
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You on a wind up? Where did I say about taking anything from anyone. I said cultural appropriation is a celebration of diversity.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.
I sincerely hope you don't try to cook other nations recipes or go on holiday to experience the ways of their lives etc... Never learn another language.
By the way, I did not insult the indigenous peoples of New Zealand or anywhere else in my post. I did not make any jokes about ethnic minorities.
What the frick is gammon chortling?
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Who says its disrespectful? The bloke spitting all over me whilst dancing with his tongue out?Chizz said:
No. Turning your back on it is cowardly and disrespectful. That's why it's rare to see rugby players do it, because, generally, they're neither.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So the Haka trumps all. It shows them to be brave warriors and anyone who don't watch and respect it, is not a warrior and is a trembling coward. What about if the person turning their back fronts em and kicks the fuck out of the team one by one, once they finished pulling faces?Chizz said:
It's also a means of determining which of their opponents are brave, respectful warriors and which are trembling cowards. Turning your back on it would help make that decision far easier.golfaddick said:If I was an opponent I would just turn my back on it. It's supposed to intimidatary......cant intimidate if you dont take any notice of it.
Jesus wept, the original question was obviously asked purely in the rugby / sporting sense, does anyone find the Kiwis doing he Haka embarrassing etc. Now, cheers to the usual suspects its like it's an attack on Māori culture, which it clearly ain't.
My answer to Golfie's question was also purely in the "rugby/sporting sense".1 -
There's a giant difference between comparing the haka to the cha cha slide and cooking yourself a curry.Dazzler21 said:
You on a wind up? Where did I say about taking anything from anyone. I said cultural appropriation is a celebration of diversity.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.
I sincerely hope you don't try to cook other nations recipes or go on holiday to experience the ways of their lives etc... Never learn another language.
By the way, I did not insult the indigenous peoples of New Zealand or anywhere else in my post. I did not make any jokes about ethnic minorities.
What the frick is gammon chortling?0 -
hahaha put your rod away. 'middle aged'..cheeky little Kuntaddick.kentaddick said:
And here we have a middle aged white man slowly realising he's actually been a bit racist. Now, instead of apologising he simply gets defensive, huffy and red faced. A state known today as "gammon".ValleyGary said:
It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.2 -
Not true.kentaddick said:
Well, yeah, they literally colonised it. As in - no human beings were there before.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So the Haka is in fact a celebration of the Maori people colonial past. That's nothing to be proud of and has no place in 2019Dugdaleclass said:Some interesting views on here about the pros and cons of the Haka. Two points: Ireland kind of have an edge having the right to sing two national anthems prior to internationals - the Soldier's Song and the rousing Ireland's Call (enabling their Captain and others from NI to sing along).
Also err technically the Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand but rather Polynesia. They are thought to have started colonising mainly North Island of NZ later than the Normans invaded England.
The Greeks colonised parts of Italy and visa versa. Can you provide evidence the Maori were the first people to live in New Zealand?
Their history only dates back 700 years... Who is to say that the last inhabitants weren't wiped from history?colonize/ˈkɒlənʌɪz/verbpast tense: colonised; past participle: colonised- send settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.Similar:settle (in)establish a colony inpeoplepopulatepioneeropen upfoundoverrunoccupytake overseizecapturetake possession ofannexsubjugatehegemonizeOpposite:leavegrant independence to
- settle among and establish control over (the indigenous people of an area)."they sought to discredit the peoples they were colonizing"
- appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use."a small town in a part of the Hudson Valley fast being colonized by weekenders"
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I'm sorry but you're on a wind up.ValleyGary said:
hahaha put your rod away. 'middle aged'..cheeky little Kuntaddick.kentaddick said:
And here we have a middle aged white man slowly realising he's actually been a bit racist. Now, instead of apologising he simply gets defensive, huffy and red faced. A state known today as "gammon".ValleyGary said:
It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.
No way anyone born after 1980 is called Gary.3 -
I'm proud of my name, why would I not use it?kentaddick said:
I had no idea you were made to register on this forum as your christian name?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?kentaddick said:Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:
Dave
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Getting back to it....yes, it makes me cringe too.0
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kentaddick said:
I'm sorry but you're on a wind up.ValleyGary said:
hahaha put your rod away. 'middle aged'..cheeky little Kuntaddick.kentaddick said:
And here we have a middle aged white man slowly realising he's actually been a bit racist. Now, instead of apologising he simply gets defensive, huffy and red faced. A state known today as "gammon".ValleyGary said:
It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.
No way anyone born after 1980 is called Gary.
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I have no idea? Maybe if you didn't identify with the gender its associated with?Stu_of_Kunming said:
I'm proud of my name, why would I not use it?kentaddick said:
I had no idea you were made to register on this forum as your christian name?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So because my parents gave me a male name I can only identify as a male? Are you from the 1950s?kentaddick said:Names of people that are angry i assumed their gender:
Dave
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If you are older than 12 you need to log off and have a serious think about how you've spent this afternoon.kentaddick said:
And here we have a middle aged white man slowly realising he's actually been a bit racist. Now, instead of apologising he simply gets defensive, huffy and red faced. A state known today as "gammon".ValleyGary said:
It was fun while it lasted, but you're trying to hard now.kentaddick said:
Yeah, i mean why can't those indigenous people just let us take their shit? We like it, so why can't we have it?Dazzler21 said:
I bloody hate that term.Stu_of_Kunming said:It's so hard to know what is and isn't cultural appropriation these days.
Cultural appropriation is a compliment. Someone copies something from your culture because they enjoy it. That's a celebration of diversity ffs.
I guess I should've guessed a thread about something in rugby was gonna be filled with gammon chortling about how funny ethnic minorities are.13
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