(Belgian) Bob Peeters *CONFIRMED New Head Coach (pg 37)*

ElfsborgAddick said:

vff said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

vff said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

UtopianCharlton said:

vff said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?

It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ?
Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.

It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.

I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.

It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).

Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.

Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.

Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.

Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.

The season starts on August 9th

Elfsborg Addick what is wrong with you ? August 2014 !!!! FFS.

Don't know if you are winding me up(I am known to be gullible) but the 14th is on a Thursday

I said in August 14 (year 2014), which indicates the month, and I wasn't being specific to the day. If I was, I would have said on August 14 indicating that precise day. Capiche ?

Thanks very much for confirming the start date of the season for everybody in any case. I am sure that was helpful for all.

Mundell Fleming said:

@vff‌

I very much share your skepticism about the network strategy. Many more businesses search, desperately, for synergies than find them. Moreover, there is a quaintness and eccentricity about Duchatelet which doesn't really inspire confidence.

He's clearly going to do it his way though and, as you rightly point out, we have no evidence yet that he and his advisors have the skill and judgement to succeed. They had certainly badly underestimated the level of the Championship when they arrived.

However, though he'll clearly want to appoint a Head Coach who will implement his strategy, we have no real evidence either that he imposes day-to-day decisions on the person in that role. Riga certainly did his own thing.

Ujpest and Alcorcon have, between them, some seven players on loan from the network (one from SInt-Truiden and six from Standard). As far as I can tell only four of those have made first team appearances and only one seems to play anything like regularly.

There may well be quite a lot to worry about, but a network of Yes men probably isn't one of them.

Thanks Mundell, don't think I said that Peeters was a 'yes man' just that Peeters lacks status but I appreciate your considered response.

vff said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

vff said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

vff said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

UtopianCharlton said:

vff said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?

It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ?
Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.

It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.

I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.

It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).

Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.

Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.

Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.

Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.

The season starts on August 9th

Elfsborg Addick what is wrong with you ? August 2014 !!!! FFS.

Don't know if you are winding me up(I am known to be gullible) but the 14th is on a Thursday

I said in August 14 (year 2014), which indicates the month, and I wasn't being specific to the day. If I was, I would have said on August 14 indicating that precise day. Capiche ?

Thanks very much for confirming the start date of the season for everybody in any case. I am sure that was helpful for all.

Righto

sirjohnhumphrey said:

@RichCawleySLP: Just a matter of time until Bob Peeters confirmed as #cafc head coach. Third man in charge of Addicks since Roland Duchatelet bought club.

Good point from Cawley - although I assume he's using the words "in charge" somewhat loosely....

Bob peeters lets see who he brings in being the household name he is , honestly bewilders me wot is happening at our club just hope RD knows wot he is doing , cant say im gonna be happy with peeters appointment , just have to get behind the team and wait and see wot unfolds.

Mundell Fleming said:

@vff‌

I very much share your skepticism about the network strategy. Many more businesses search, desperately, for synergies than find them. Moreover, there is a quaintness and eccentricity about Duchatelet which doesn't really inspire confidence.

He's clearly going to do it his way though and, as you rightly point out, we have no evidence yet that he and his advisors have the skill and judgement to succeed. They had certainly badly underestimated the level of the Championship when they arrived.

However, though he'll clearly want to appoint a Head Coach who will implement his strategy, we have no real evidence either that he imposes day-to-day decisions on the person in that role. Riga certainly did his own thing.

Ujpest and Alcorcon have, between them, some seven players on loan from the network (one from SInt-Truiden and six from Standard). As far as I can tell only four of those have made first team appearances and only one seems to play anything like regularly.

There may well be quite a lot to worry about, but a network of Yes men probably isn't one of them.

Can we have a ban on using the word synergy please?

I really don't get some of the comments on here. Riga came in, we hadn't heard of him, and in very, very difficult circumstances he not only kept us up but the majority of fans wanted him to stay permanently as Head Coach. A quite remarkable turnaround.

Now, RD has decided he is not the man for the job permanently and thinks Bob Peeters is a better bet long term. Someone else we have not heard of. Let's just give the guy a chance eh. It may work out or it may go tits up. Either way some fans on here will be proved right, some proved wrong. That's the way it goes. At the moment I see appointing Riga as saving us from certain relegation so I'm prepared to give RD the benefit of the doubt on this one.

The Red Robin said:

What's so wrong with appointing a British coach?

I could ask the same question to some posters here re: Belgian coaches.

stevietwells said:

Kap10 said:

Fair enough, but to me the strategy of bringing in coaches/players with extremely limited experience and at levels way beneath The Championship anyway is the most concerning thing!

Hardly fair - he has managed three Belgian first division clubs, and it would be silly to describe that level as way beneath the Championship.

stevietwells said:

Kap10 said:

Successful businessmen tend to have a strategy, these strategies are fluid and tend to evolve, sometimes from the ridiculous to the successful. Riga as part of that strategy only came in on a temporary basis and from the beginning was never touted as the long term incumbent. Maybe RD ws seduced by the relegation avoidance to change his strategy, but after the adrenalin rush returned to type and went back to his original strategy which was brining in Bob.

Just a hypothesis!

Fair enough, but to me the strategy of bringing in coaches/players with extremely limited experience and at levels way beneath The Championship anyway is the most concerning thing!

Well Bob Peeters has experience as player in the the belgian & dutch league, also in the championship. As a player he worked with some really good coaches. As a coach he has some experience in the belgian league, and most people following the belgian football will probably confirm that he is a talented coach.

i am not underestimating the championship at all, i know it is a strong, competitive league, but some of you make it sound as if the belgian league is some kind of mickey mouse league, while it is considered amongst the top ten european leagues. The belgian pro league is not "levels below" the championship in terms of quality of players and coaching imho.

Ofc this won't garantuee that peeters will be succesful at charlton, but i am convinced Bob Peeters has what it takes to be succesful.

No coach is garantueed though to be succesful at any club. Fans need to embrace the coach, players need to have some chemistry going with the coach, and sometimes you need some luck as a coach in some crucial games or at the first few games. Imo this is the same for every coach everywhere, proven or unproven at whatever level.

but i am convinced Bob Peeters has what it takes to be succesful.

Surprised you're so confident, but obviously very much hope you're right!

The Red Robin said:

What's so wrong with appointing a British coach?

Thats exactly wot i was thinking, Nathan jones would be my choice .

The Red Robin said:

What's so wrong with appointing a British coach?

Yes, because the last 4 British coaches we have appointed have all been such great successes. Time for a change.

stevietwells said:

byl-Apologies, didn't realise you were from Belgian so of course conceded that you will have a better knowledge than me. Very pleased that our future manager is so highly regarded.

BYL is welcome onto the site, excellent written English BTW. Opinions are welcome on the site, Some interesting contributions this month.

How it does show up on your profile that byl name was created in March 2011 ? First contributions May 2014. Maybe Admin / byl can explain that ?