I haven't been this excited since Lenny Gamble released his version of Doris Troy's "I'll Do Anything" on the B side of a Flirtations 45 on Casino Classics CC1 in June of 1978. Look it up Northern Soul fans.
I haven't been this excited since Lenny Gamble released his version of Doris Troy's "I'll Do Anything" on the B side of a Flirtations 45 on Casino Classics CC1 in June of 1978. Look it up Northern Soul fans.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Why would we want a Head Coach who would oppose the Owner? We need somebody who will be his own man for sure, but we're heading for big trouble if the Coach isn't onside with the strategy. In any event, I doubt very much that Riga hasn't been offered the job because he's insufficiently compliant.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig.
I am absolutely certain that RD has not become as successful as he has by appointing senior managers with no professional pride, no gumption and no character.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Why would we want a Head Coach who would oppose the Owner? We need somebody who will be his own man for sure, but we're heading for big trouble if the Coach isn't onside with the strategy. In any event, I doubt very much that Riga hasn't been offered the job because he's insufficiently compliant.
You can be picky and highlight 'oppose' if you want but the point about status remains the same. No one knows why Roland didn't pick Riga or the exact nature of conversations between them. Roland knows but he is damn sure not communicating any of the reasons for his decisions or what is up his sleeve.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.
I'd kind of accepted that I wouldn't have heard of our new manager, although had hoped he would have at least some pedigree.
The fact that I've never heard of him, he has no pedigree and was apparently 'popular with Millwall supporters' makes it rather hard to maintain positivity.
However, for now I'll still cling to my dwindling belief that our owner is ahead of his time, is implementing a model that will become one for others to follow and we will enjoy years of surprise success a la Man U under Busby and Forest under Clough!!!
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.
The season starts on August 9th
Elfsborg Addick what is wrong with you ? August 2014 !!!! FFS.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig.
I am absolutely certain that RD has not become as successful as he has by appointing senior managers with no professional pride, no gumption and no character.
Who saying that ? Not me. What he does want is someone who is going to play the players he is presented with and implement his strategy. You tell me why Riga didn't get the job ?
Peeters is reported as a being a good coach (with limited evidence). Maybe Peeters takes the job but doesn't realise what he is getting into and underestimates the strength of the championship. That wouldn't be the first time some one from the flemish area has underestimated the Championships.
RD has built a successful business in micro electronics, he didn't succeed in politics and his network strategy is so far unproven. Maybe the strategy is mistaken.
Its my opinion and all those who have faith and optimism in the Roland plan can be secure in your belief. I don't have to believe in that faith to be a Charlton supporter and can express that sceptism on Charlton Life.
Does anyone else think it's all rather insulting to brand every person RD employs as a sycophantic, yes man with no mind of his own and no pride in their own ability or profession ?
It would seem from the information we have gleaned from byl and others that Bob Peeters is highly regarded in his own country. Please explain to me why any coach would take a job where he does not pick the team pretty much ensuring abject failure and the sack which would irrevocably tarnish his reputation and future career prospects ? Duchatelet is a hugely successful business man and I am certain that he only employs people in senior roles that are good at their job and have the balls to stand their ground.
It's obvious that RD is not your usual football club owner but this continual character assignation of every prospective RD appointment ( including Riga) does this site and Charlton supporters no credit.
I await the abuse for being a Duchatalista which I am not.
It is more about status. Powell and Riga had status. Riga particularly so, after doing such a great job and keeping Charlton up. Remember, he did it by playing the network players relating to their skill level and fitness. The best performance was against Watford with no network players in evidence. Thuram got no change as first team goalkeeper, which is why Thuram threw his toys out of the pram (if they were thrown at him, he would not have been able to catch them).
Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
Very perceptive, and a very good point indeed.
Still profession suicide in playing players not good enough. Getting relegated, getting the sack and looking incompetent and sycophantic to any prospective future employer.
Not saying it is an easy gig. Neither is being a Charlton supporter. It appears as though Bob Peeters will take the job in any case. We will see what kind of team runs out in August 14.
The season starts on August 9th
Elfsborg Addick what is wrong with you ? August 2014 !!!! FFS.
Don't know if you are winding me up(I am known to be gullible) but the 14th is on a Thursday
I very much share your skepticism about the network strategy. Many more businesses search, desperately, for synergies than find them. Moreover, there is a quaintness and eccentricity about Duchatelet which doesn't really inspire confidence.
He's clearly going to do it his way though and, as you rightly point out, we have no evidence yet that he and his advisors have the skill and judgement to succeed. They had certainly badly underestimated the level of the Championship when they arrived.
However, though he'll clearly want to appoint a Head Coach who will implement his strategy, we have no real evidence either that he imposes day-to-day decisions on the person in that role. Riga certainly did his own thing.
Ujpest and Alcorcon have, between them, some seven players on loan from the network (one from SInt-Truiden and six from Standard). As far as I can tell only four of those have made first team appearances and only one seems to play anything like regularly.
There may well be quite a lot to worry about, but a network of Yes men probably isn't one of them.
Successful businessmen tend to have a strategy, these strategies are fluid and tend to evolve, sometimes from the ridiculous to the successful. Riga as part of that strategy only came in on a temporary basis and from the beginning was never touted as the long term incumbent. Maybe RD ws seduced by the relegation avoidance to change his strategy, but after the adrenalin rush returned to type and went back to his original strategy which was brining in Bob.
Successful businessmen tend to have a strategy, these strategies are fluid and tend to evolve, sometimes from the ridiculous to the successful. Riga as part of that strategy only came in on a temporary basis and from the beginning was never touted as the long term incumbent. Maybe RD ws seduced by the relegation avoidance to change his strategy, but after the adrenalin rush returned to type and went back to his original strategy which was brining in Bob.
Just a hypothesis!
Fair enough, but to me the strategy of bringing in coaches/players with extremely limited experience and at levels way beneath The Championship anyway is the most concerning thing!
Successful businessmen tend to have a strategy, these strategies are fluid and tend to evolve, sometimes from the ridiculous to the successful. Riga as part of that strategy only came in on a temporary basis and from the beginning was never touted as the long term incumbent. Maybe RD ws seduced by the relegation avoidance to change his strategy, but after the adrenalin rush returned to type and went back to his original strategy which was brining in Bob.
Just a hypothesis!
Fair enough, but to me the strategy of bringing in coaches/players with extremely limited experience and at levels way beneath The Championship anyway is the most concerning thing!
You can argue from both sides really, bringing in experienced championship managers means that you are tending to bring in managers who have already been sacked at this level. I know it's an extreme but Gary Megson is extremely experienced but I would not want him. Curbs had no managerial experience at this level but did have as a player. Lennie had no managerial experience but did have coaching experience albeit limited at this level. bob has limited managerial experience but not at this level but has limited experience of playing at this level.
Not that we have any influence and it is going to be a case of "watch and see". Let's face it we've only had about one settled close season in the last nine or ten years it would not be Charlton if we were all at ease and happy.
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Peeters may not be a yes man, and out of respect to SHG, I will hold off on the Nodding dog dogcilla / Churchill reference. What he does not have is a great status at this time. Not status sufficiently to resist Roland / unnamed football advisor's recommendations for players for the club. Roland has what he wants, a coach of reported talent but not enough status to oppose his decisions and strategy for the club.
SHG it has nothing to do with Bob Peeters and his relationship with Roland ! Honest.
Welcome Bob.
The fact that I've never heard of him, he has no pedigree and was apparently 'popular with Millwall supporters' makes it rather hard to maintain positivity.
However, for now I'll still cling to my dwindling belief that our owner is ahead of his time, is implementing a model that will become one for others to follow and we will enjoy years of surprise success a la Man U under Busby and Forest under Clough!!!
Peeters is reported as a being a good coach (with limited evidence). Maybe Peeters takes the job but doesn't realise what he is getting into and underestimates the strength of the championship. That wouldn't be the first time some one from the flemish area has underestimated the Championships.
RD has built a successful business in micro electronics, he didn't succeed in politics and his network strategy is so far unproven. Maybe the strategy is mistaken.
Its my opinion and all those who have faith and optimism in the Roland plan can be secure in your belief. I don't have to believe in that faith to be a Charlton supporter and can express that sceptism on Charlton Life.
I very much share your skepticism about the network strategy. Many more businesses search, desperately, for synergies than find them. Moreover, there is a quaintness and eccentricity about Duchatelet which doesn't really inspire confidence.
He's clearly going to do it his way though and, as you rightly point out, we have no evidence yet that he and his advisors have the skill and judgement to succeed. They had certainly badly underestimated the level of the Championship when they arrived.
However, though he'll clearly want to appoint a Head Coach who will implement his strategy, we have no real evidence either that he imposes day-to-day decisions on the person in that role. Riga certainly did his own thing.
Ujpest and Alcorcon have, between them, some seven players on loan from the network (one from SInt-Truiden and six from Standard). As far as I can tell only four of those have made first team appearances and only one seems to play anything like regularly.
There may well be quite a lot to worry about, but a network of Yes men probably isn't one of them.
Just a hypothesis!
Not that we have any influence and it is going to be a case of "watch and see". Let's face it we've only had about one settled close season in the last nine or ten years it would not be Charlton if we were all at ease and happy.