(Belgian) Bob Peeters *CONFIRMED New Head Coach (pg 37)*
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JFH, WTF?
Jimmy Floyd's arse
the cheeks hanging over the seat
My desire, is never to see him at
Valley Floyd Road
Many pies has he eaten
Many cokes as he had
he moved like a tractor
and his shooting was bad
As a coach, pure disaster
he would just take us down
Jimmy Floyd, piss off
you're a lazy fat clown
(with apologies to Paul McCartney and the North Stand Choir)16 -
Please don't apologise to anyone! Bang on the money with that one. :-)Davo55 said:JFH, WTF?
Jimmy Floyd's arse
the cheeks hanging over the seat
My desire, is never to see him at
Valley Floyd Road
Many pies has he eaten
Many cokes as he had
he moved like a tractor
and his shooting was bad
As a coach, pure disaster
he would just take us down
Jimmy Floyd, piss off
you're a lazy fat clown
(with apologies to Paul McCartney and the North Stand Choir)0 -
I've always been open minded about RD and his plans for the club, but if JFH does turn up as our new head coach, then I'm back on the amphetamines. If ever there was a big time Charlie then Jimmy is surely it.0
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JFH Is not going to be our head coach ? its not even a rumour so why are we talking about it?3
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Because it gives us (some) something more to panic about.CharltonByBlood said:JFH Is not going to be our head coach ? its not even a rumour so why are we talking about it?
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Unlikely - you need to factor in the turnout. If it's 40 per cent (probably high) then a 25 per cent share for UKIP (probably low) equals ten per cent of voters.PragueAddick said:
Indeed. 25% is probably the correct figure for CAFC fans who have just voted for a party whose policies would render RD's entire project impractical.scabbyhorse said:At the end of the day we to make sure we comply with FFP break-even requirements, Bob is probaly fairly cheap there are some good reports coming out from Belgium regarding his coaching skills so until i actually see the team perform he has my 100% support.
Yann take no notice this is Charlton, 25% of our support are muppets anyway :-/
This is true of all parties, obviously, but I am addressing your point about UKIP and Charlton.
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Yann you have many people that see it how you do
Post what you want whenever you want but if your gonna be how you are toughen up and roll with the punches don't take it too seriously
There's two outcomes to this back fire and success
Let's all just watch the pages turn4 -
I'm getting to the point where I'm past caring.3
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Too right! Just like last season it was stay up or go down...nth london addick said:Yann you have many people that see it how you do
Post what you want whenever you want but if your gonna be how you are toughen up and roll with the punches don't take it too seriously
There's two outcomes to this back fire and success
Let's all just watch the pages turn
Next is mid table or relegation fight.... And you know the rest.
Too many posters take it too personal and play the man not the ball.
And the funny thing is they only see part of the picture.
Our losses are less than half of Bournemouth - unless they win the play offs next season they are screwed whereas we keep building...
They (and other clubs) have a squad with an average age of 28... No future and no resale value.
Ours probably drops to an average of 22 soon.
We have one of the best academies in the division and moving up to cat 1... Other clubs just want to throw more money at second tier 27-32 year old footballers.
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Nothing against Bob Peeters the player, seen him many times and wished Charlton had signed a centre forward like that 10 years ago. Should be interesting on Belgian world cup tv as he is normally one of the hosts in the studio. Trust you won't see him on the phone to Dowie. That goed back only 8 years.
If Peeters does come, first thing RD has to do is write a cheque to his old club for compensation. And would expect a few players from the lowlands and may be Kerkrade.0 - Sponsored links:
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Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.26 -
Got to say I agree with this. Time will tell.Mundell Fleming said:Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.
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I hope you are right, and believe you are, since I see that UKIP's share in London is only 7%. But we better not hijack this thread:-)Airman Brown said:
Unlikely - you need to factor in the turnout. If it's 40 per cent (probably high) then a 25 per cent share for UKIP (probably low) equals ten per cent of voters.PragueAddick said:
Indeed. 25% is probably the correct figure for CAFC fans who have just voted for a party whose policies would render RD's entire project impractical.scabbyhorse said:At the end of the day we to make sure we comply with FFP break-even requirements, Bob is probaly fairly cheap there are some good reports coming out from Belgium regarding his coaching skills so until i actually see the team perform he has my 100% support.
Yann take no notice this is Charlton, 25% of our support are muppets anyway :-/
This is true of all parties, obviously, but I am addressing your point about UKIP and Charlton.
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@Mundell Fleming.Mundell Fleming said:Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.
I've joined the many others who have liked your post. At the back of my mind though, this worry remains: RD does not like football. His main business is not a "people business". So what insight does he have that enables him to spot the next Martinez or Rodgers? I really want to believe he has that insight, but I cannot work out how and from where in his previous experience he would get it.
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I suppose it's all about knowing people. Maybe he has that knack. Who knows.0
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Agreed - but for clarification Ukip's share in London in the local election will have been affected by their inability to put up candidates for most seats and apparently random placement of those they had. They will do much better in the Euro elections, and much better in Bexley and Bromley than in inner London.PragueAddick said:
I hope you are right, and believe you are, since I see that UKIP's share in London is only 7%. But we better not hijack this thread:-)Airman Brown said:
Unlikely - you need to factor in the turnout. If it's 40 per cent (probably high) then a 25 per cent share for UKIP (probably low) equals ten per cent of voters.PragueAddick said:
Indeed. 25% is probably the correct figure for CAFC fans who have just voted for a party whose policies would render RD's entire project impractical.scabbyhorse said:At the end of the day we to make sure we comply with FFP break-even requirements, Bob is probaly fairly cheap there are some good reports coming out from Belgium regarding his coaching skills so until i actually see the team perform he has my 100% support.
Yann take no notice this is Charlton, 25% of our support are muppets anyway :-/
This is true of all parties, obviously, but I am addressing your point about UKIP and Charlton.
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I think - my own personal speculative opinion - that its all about the vision and you're either in or your out.1
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Bob Peeters is having a party0
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Jose Riga's gone now, Jose Riga's goooooone0
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What fantastic news. Enough to inspire all fans and potential new players to join....1 - Sponsored links:
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I have a theory. I think that Roland is just very contrary. The bloke that disgrees and argues with your point out of point of principle. Unfortunatley as owner of the club, any player, manager or coach that Charlton supporters likes or want Roland goes out of his way to get rid of them, or ignores them completely so that they leave. I think that a bit of reverse psychology is in order. If Charlton supporters demand that Riga never sets foot in the Valley, demand and demonstate for Bobbie Peeters, that Charlton supporters really do not want Diego Poyet to stay at the club, or we really want every reserve team Liege player to play at the Valley then Roland may actually do the opposite.PragueAddick said:
@Mundell Fleming.Mundell Fleming said:Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.
I've joined the many others who have liked your post. At the back of my mind though, this worry remains: RD does not like football. His main business is not a "people business". So what insight does he have that enables him to spot the next Martinez or Rodgers? I really want to believe he has that insight, but I cannot work out how and from where in his previous experience he would get it.
It has got to be worth a try. You never know it may work. ;-)10 -
You've been out for ages though?razil said:I think - my own personal speculative opinion - that its all about the vision and you're either in or your out.
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By whom?roseandcrown said:
he was said to be on Roly's list before Riga come in.paulie8290 said:why do people think because he wants a job in england it means he is going to get ours, he probably wants Fulham or something
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It is a rumour because we are discussing it. It may not be a rumour of substance, but it's a rumour none the less.CharltonByBlood said:JFH Is not going to be our head coach ? its not even a rumour so why are we talking about it?
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Surely every manager is unproven when they get their first managerial appointment. That makes no sense.Mundell Fleming said:Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.2 -
I don't know how many Lifers will remember the brilliant satirical puppet show Spitting Image. One of my favourite sketches involved the Ronald Reagan and Ed Meese puppets. The Reagan puppet was manic and looked ridiculous. Meese, his Chief of Staff, main confidant and later US Attorney General, was more measured and controlled.PragueAddick said:
@Mundell Fleming.Mundell Fleming said:Whatever any of us might think about Duchatelet, he deserves credit for having the courage to make tough and/or bold decisions.
Appointing Jose Riga on a permanent basis would be the easy thing to do. A popular and low risk decision. The one most people would make. However, Duchatelet is clearly aiming higher. That's not to suggest he'll succeed, but I'll bet his ambition is to find the next Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers rather than appoint another Powell or Riga.
Let's hope he succeeds. If we're going to make the Premier League, without spending big money and in the face of competition from the parachute payment brigade, we're going to need a Manager of real quality, an innovator, who'll add real value to the squad he's given. That's not Powell and Duchatelet appears to think its not Riga either.
It may be risky, but what's the realistic alternative?
PS Both Martinez and Rodgers were completely unproven when they got their first managerial appointments. Martinez was an instant hit while Rodgers stuttered at first, but somebody had the foresight to spot their outstanding talent.
I've joined the many others who have liked your post. At the back of my mind though, this worry remains: RD does not like football. His main business is not a "people business". So what insight does he have that enables him to spot the next Martinez or Rodgers? I really want to believe he has that insight, but I cannot work out how and from where in his previous experience he would get it.
Anyway, Reagan says to Meese, "Err, tell me Ed, who is running the country anyway?"
Meese replies, "Why, you are Mr Presi dent", with a typical American drawl.
Reagan replies, "Jeez Ed, we're in a lot more trouble than I thought."
We've all been hoping that Duchatelet has a number of advisors who he's leaning heavily on. He might, but it does appear that Roland is the main decision maker. This is not a side line for him. This is what he does now. I agree that it's not easy to see quite how he can make good judgements about footballing matters given his apparent lack of interest in it, at least historically, and that has to be a concern.
However, he does have the advantage of being unemotional, intelligent, analytical and not bound by spurious conventional wisdom. If you've read MoneyBall you'll know what rigorous analysis did for baseball. If you follow Fink Tank you'll know how many casual assumptions about what's important turn out to be invalid. Football really isn't very professional, at least in this country, and I find it at least plausible that somebody with an independent view might bring insight and add some value.
Of course, it's potentially a big gamble, but as I posted some months back if it all goes wrong with Duchatelet it will be more a case of the mad professor who blows up his own laboratory than Dr Evil.
Fingers crossed, it could be a bumpy ride. There has to be some upside potential in all of this though. In any event, what's the alternative?
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I know that Bob seems to be the more unusual choice as head coach but we can look at the positives here. On the face of it Bob may be unproven in football management. He knows a thing or two about construction. That will be very helpful in the current rebuilding phase of the club. It definitely looks as the Charlton will need to be built from the foundations, with the previous house being torn down to the ground. He is well used to demanding and difficult owners of houses with difficult contracts. He will be great in using the low cost material he will be expected to work with. Everyone speaks well of him and he is a decent bloke. Nice to animals too. Definitely got transferable management skills and is used to overcoming setbacks and perservering to the end. Can we rely on him to fix it ? I think we know the answer to that one !1
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Two contasting situations between people who "know English football" and those who don't:
CAFC 2006 - Curbishley goes and the owner and CEO who have been there for ten years or more appoint first Billy Davies (who declines) then turn down McCarthy (still going strong in the Championship) then Dowie, followed by Reid followed by Pardew.
Duchatelet runs a club in Belgium for three or four years and appoints a new coach every season - with Luzon this is the first time he has extended one. He arrives in SE7 and inherits a relegation threatened side and management. He terminates one caoch and appoints an interim to see us through to the end of the season WITH the same squad. That is without buying the club out of trouble with million pound signings.
Whether the next coach works or not it is clear that if the player performances and league table point to a backwards movement then we can look forward to another interim being brought in.
People speculate about relegation and how Duchatelet doesn't care - but it would set the club back financially and more importantly it loses time - a whole year to recover at least so two years wasted.
It is possible that we won't make the fastest climb back up the football pyramid but we will make steady steps. Some top academy players might not sign for us but many will - perhaps 80% of the top five every year. There will be progress because he is building a model - if anything the individual goals set for people will be clearer and won't be hidden in managment shite and football bluster... it is about increasing value - of the club and individual players.9 -
I did respond to Seriously Red but decided to take it down. I am trying to be more positive and not get involved with negative debates, but it is difficult with the relentlessly cheeriness and positive readings of situations that on the face of it don't look too promising. I am trying but I am finding Roland very trying. The relentless cheerful optimistic spinning of everything even more trying.
Time to go out and get some sunshine.
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