byl-Apologies, didn't realise you were from Belgian so of course conceded that you will have a better knowledge than me. Very pleased that our future manager is so highly regarded.
BYL is welcome onto the site, excellent written English BTW. Opinions are welcome on the site, Some interesting contributions this month.
How it does show up on your profile that byl name was created in March 2011 ? First contributions May 2014. Maybe Admin / byl can explain that ?
well i speak english on a daily basis since my girlfriend is spanish; and english is the "common language" we use mostly .
march 2011? no clue. like i said i only came and took a look here since riga took over - i like to follow what belgians do abroad footballwise. And decided to register when peeters was rumoured to take over.
Bit of a mystery the signing in registration thing. Maybe admin can shed some light on the March 11 sign up date.
English the language of love. Thats nice. Gaaf as the Dutch might say (probably spelled that wrong). Which Spanish team does your girlfriend support (if she likes football) ? Her Belgium team is yours, I am sure.
With no disrespect to Belgium football, my opinion is that the top 3 to 4 of the Belgium league would in the championship top half, maybe the next 4 in the championship lower half, the lower would be first first division and the belgium second division you are looking at lower league one. The Belgium football I have wathhed is a completley slower pace and intensity. It is my impression that the there is a lot of underestimation of the strength of the Championship in the Belgium league.
You can see that in the players that Roland brought over earlier on in the season. I am concerned that Bob Peeters knows what he is getting into. I only hope that Roland / and the unnamed football advisors leave him with some decent players and not some kids / second string network players / and unnamed triers. It is a massive gamble, again.
Girlfriend really HATES football
i dunno how to compare belgian football to the championship. In the championship the budgets are a lot higher in than in the belgian league, tv income is only a fraction of what clubs in the uk get and the owners of the club don't tend to invests like bags of money into their clubs as some owners in the UK do. But the quality of players produced in the belgian league is really not substandard. Clubs try and survive financially by selling their top players to bigger clubs here.
Your opinion that "the top 3 to 4 of the Belgium league would in the championship top half" implies that the top 2 in the championship would have a big chance of becoming first and second in belgium as well and thus qualify for the champions league.
If you look at the champions here: when RC Genk became champions there best players were Kevin De Bruyne, Thibaut Courtois, Benteke . they got sold after they became champions When Standard became champions and their best players Steven Dufour (now Porto), Bonfim Dante ( brazilian intrenatiol, plays for Bayern munich now), axel witsel (benfica after that Zenit) - Marouane Felaini. All got sold after they became champions, also their striker duo Jovanonic-Mbokani got sold.
So clubs do have to sell their best players, but it's not like you can win the title in belgium with a bunch of muppets.
You also think that besides the top 4, the 12 other clubs in belgium would be likely relegated or are just league 1 level.
The difference between top teams and lower teams in belgium isn't that big as you suggest. A lot of games are very close and the champions this year, Anderlecht, lost 9 out of 30 games during the regular season.
i guess the championship, together with segunda division in spain - 2. Bundesliga in germany - serie B in italy and league 2 in France can compete with the leagues ranked 7-th till 12th, with championship and 2. bundesliga imo being the strongest of those leagues.
You can see that in the players that Roland brought over earlier on in the season.
Well those players are basicly not good enough for standard. And mostly not good enough to be loaned out to another belgian team. And not good enough for the championship either. Riga was well aware of that judging how much he used those players
Who knows what's the reason for RD to get those players to Charlton... i don't know. No one knows. I can garantuee you Bob Peeters will be aware as well that those kind of players are not good enough. Whether he will get better players will depend not on him, but on what RD is willing to spend for the next season. But knowing Duchatelet a bit, my guess that you will have a team that is good enough to compete. Duchatelet is a businessman -but a special one. he wants to be succesful and is driven by succeeding. Failure is not aoption for him, so he definately wants to have team with subpar quality that struggles to avoid relegation again.
You can see that in the players that Roland brought over earlier on in the season.
Well those players are basicly not good enough for standard. And mostly not good enough to be loaned out to another belgian team. And not good enough for the championship either. Riga was well aware of that judging how much he used those players
Who knows what's the reason for RD to get those players to Charlton... i don't know. No one knows. I can garantuee you Bob Peeters will be aware as well that those kind of players are not good enough. Whether he will get better players will depend not on him, but on what RD is willing to spend for the next season. But knowing Duchatelet a bit, my guess that you will have a team that is good enough to compete. Duchatelet is a businessman -but a special one. he wants to be succesful and is driven by succeeding. Failure is not aoption for him, so he definately wants to have team with subpar quality that struggles to avoid relegation again.
At least that is my opinion.
I didn't mean to like that - LOL. I meant to quote never mind. BYL you are not Roland are you or related to him by some chance ? Just checking ! You seem pretty positive about him.
Sorry that your girlfriend does not like football. My missus grew up watching football with her dad and brother and likes the game, so I am lucky there. It makes life easier sometimes. Good luck with the world cup !
Yes, because the last 4 British coaches we have appointed have all been such great successes. Time for a change.
Yep Powell was sh*t wasn't he? Some rewriting of history going on here lately.
1 out of 4? A 25% success rate? Yep, THAT'S reallllllly encouraging...
Didn't say 1 out of 4 was a success though did he? He implied all 4 were crap. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Burnley and Leicester did all right. Success is a combination of things, including team spirit, money, stable boardroom and some luck thrown in too.
We've heard that before. Unfortunately, it doesn't ring true. It's just the kind of myth that some kinds of successful people all over try to perpetuate about themselves.
Standard de Liege just failed to win their league from a commanding position going into the playoffs. None of the other clubs are particularly successful. And probably best not to mention his political career, but certainly not something we can call a success.
Personally, I prefer the kinds of successful people that claim their failures as integral to their successes. People can relate to that.
Doom, doom and more gloom. Lookout, ever since RD took over you have been negative about him. He is successful because he has got a few hundred million euros. He got that by being good at what he did, including being ruthless. You say none of the other clubs are successful, that is because he bought small clubs who were struggling. He has an idea which he wants to develop, whether it will work or not only time will tell. I will tell you why I like him. He got rid of an under performing manager, he is developing the training ground. He is spending his hard earned on a new pitch and drainage. He is trying to lower the debt in the club. We can't keep on losing 7 million every Year. He also is very keen to use the lads from the Academy, which I think is the way forward.
What I haven't agreed with, are the level of players we brought in January. This needs to be addressed. Also I believe Jose Riga should have been given a new contract. But I will not rubbish Bob Peeters before he has arrived or just because he played for Millwall once. I don't give a rats arse who he used to play for. I will judge him on what results he gets for Charlton Athletic. As I have judged all of the previous managers.
Doom, doom and more gloom. Lookout, ever since RD took over you have been negative about him. He is successful because he has got a few hundred million euros. He got that by being good at what he did, including being ruthless. You say none of the other clubs are successful, that is because he bought small clubs who were struggling. He has an idea which he wants to develop, whether it will work or not only time will tell. I will tell you why I like him. He got rid of an under performing manager, he is developing the training ground. He is spending his hard earned on a new pitch and drainage. He is trying to lower the debt in the club. We can't keep on losing 7 million every Year. He also is very keen to use the lads from the Academy, which I think is the way forward.
What I haven't agreed with, are the level of players we brought in January. This needs to be addressed. Also I believe Jose Riga should have been given a new contract. But I will not rubbish Bob Peeters before he has arrived or just because he played for Millwall once. I don't give a rats arse who he used to play for. I will judge him on what results he gets for Charlton Athletic. As I have judged all of the previous managers.
I think he should have been a lot more supportive of the "under performing" manager, who had the vast majority of fans behind him. He should have fully trusted and backed CP based on his achievements to date. He inherited a manager who had under performed by getting us out of L1 with a record points total, had taken us to 9th within a few points of the playoffs - (and yes with a better end of season run than the now godlike(post Barnsley) JR achieved). An unde-performing manager with two brilliant seasons behind him who then had his squad not only woefully under-invested in but seriouslyvweakened pre-season and also by RD in January. If he had backed CP he would have my full support, instead he undermined him and got very, very lucky indeed with JR - and i credit the likes of Alex Dyer immensley for holding it together for us as well.
So now we are onto our second gamble in a few months, is it all really necessary - didnt we already have a competent, young and well respected in English football manager - who just needed some f*cking help at the end of the day.
I want to flag those pictures of scum shirts with our players in It's filth and you know it and it makes me feel sick It's a blot on anyone's career who's even been there in my eyes
I want to flag those pictures of scum shirts with our players in It's filth and you know it and it makes me feel sick It's a blot on anyone's career who's even been there in my eyes
@oohaahmortimer Summers to me is like Curbs was to you and he saw the light by coming over to the 'red' side and I like to think Gritty was acting as a double agent. If it helps crop the pictures at the neck alternatively regard their shirts as a form of 'corporate wardrobe' which you have no choice but to wear at work :-)
I want to flag those pictures of scum shirts with our players in It's filth and you know it and it makes me feel sick It's a blot on anyone's career who's even been there in my eyes
oh do grow grow up some of you, Millwall are our local rivals they are not the devil incarnate but just a rather rubbish team just down the road. A foreign footballer coming to England will get a job where he can and I'm sure not look into the history of the club. The only relevance that Peeters played for Millwall is that he has some understanding of our league, for all we know he might hate them as much as some of you purport to.
Each to their own but they are the scum and have the highest amount of cunts per fan at any club in England Everyone can chose to ignore this but I can't And obviously I'd back anyone who comes to us BUT I'd prefer they had no connection to that bucket shop but it is what it is , sorry for not turning a blind eye And yes it is an immature attitude but ffs we are talking about 11 men running around kicking a football when did sensible maturity ever come in to following a football team
And I tell you how mature I am on my bbm messenger and whatsapp profile picture I already have a picture of BP just as I did JR and SCP I'm 43 years young and a father of 4 , if that isn't immaturely pathetic I don't know what is !!!!!
oh do grow grow up some of you, Millwall are our local rivals they are not the devil incarnate but just a rather rubbish team just down the road. A foreign footballer coming to England will get a job where he can and I'm sure not look into the history of the club. The only relevance that Peeters played for Millwall is that he has some understanding of our league, for all we know he might hate them as much as some of you purport to.
I don't really care if he played for the scum , I'd prefer it if he never did but what I don't like is Charlton fans putting up pics of him in a millwank shirt when there's plenty of other pictures.
Couldn't care less that he played for Millwall all I care about is if he does well for us
This. I cheered Harry Cripps playing for us, because he'd clearly put aside old loyalties and gave his all in red (Dunphy was another matter...). Peeters is not a Millwall fan or an apologist for their 'culture'
. At the moment I see appointing Riga as saving us from certain relegation so I'm prepared to give RD the benefit of the doubt on this one.
We were 4/9 to stay up at the point of him taking charge, 6/4 to go down. He done a very good job to get us scoring, but we were far from down at the time Powell was sacked. Would of been nice to let Riga carry on his work as he knows all the players, Peeters will not and has to earn their trust, like a merry go round this for the players, no security anywhere.
I fully expect Peeters to be appointed today/tomorrow and of course my default position with any new manager is to give them 100% support, but I can't pretend I'm not very, very concerned at what's happening at our club.
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You really are talking out of Uranus!
i dunno how to compare belgian football to the championship. In the championship the budgets are a lot higher in than in the belgian league, tv income is only a fraction of what clubs in the uk get and the owners of the club don't tend to invests like bags of money into their clubs as some owners in the UK do. But the quality of players produced in the belgian league is really not substandard. Clubs try and survive financially by selling their top players to bigger clubs here.
Your opinion that "the top 3 to 4 of the Belgium league would in the championship top half" implies that the top 2 in the championship would have a big chance of becoming first and second in belgium as well and thus qualify for the champions league.
If you look at the champions here:
when RC Genk became champions there best players were Kevin De Bruyne, Thibaut Courtois, Benteke . they got sold after they became champions
When Standard became champions and their best players Steven Dufour (now Porto), Bonfim Dante ( brazilian intrenatiol, plays for Bayern munich now), axel witsel (benfica after that Zenit) - Marouane Felaini. All got sold after they became champions, also their striker duo Jovanonic-Mbokani got sold.
So clubs do have to sell their best players, but it's not like you can win the title in belgium with a bunch of muppets.
You also think that besides the top 4, the 12 other clubs in belgium would be likely relegated or are just league 1 level.
The difference between top teams and lower teams in belgium isn't that big as you suggest. A lot of games are very close and the champions this year, Anderlecht, lost 9 out of 30 games during the regular season.
It is very difficult to compare leagues, based on european results last 5 seasons uefa rates the leagues as follows - http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2014.html
i guess the championship, together with segunda division in spain - 2. Bundesliga in germany - serie B in italy and league 2 in France can compete with the leagues ranked 7-th till 12th, with championship and 2. bundesliga imo being the strongest of those leagues.
Who knows what's the reason for RD to get those players to Charlton... i don't know. No one knows. I can garantuee you Bob Peeters will be aware as well that those kind of players are not good enough. Whether he will get better players will depend not on him, but on what RD is willing to spend for the next season. But knowing Duchatelet a bit, my guess that you will have a team that is good enough to compete. Duchatelet is a businessman -but a special one. he wants to be succesful and is driven by succeeding. Failure is not aoption for him, so he definately wants to have team with subpar quality that struggles to avoid relegation again.
At least that is my opinion.
Sorry that your girlfriend does not like football. My missus grew up watching football with her dad and brother and likes the game, so I am lucky there. It makes life easier sometimes. Good luck with the world cup !
By the way good luck Bob and welcome to Charlton.
We've heard that before. Unfortunately, it doesn't ring true. It's just the kind of myth that some kinds of successful people all over try to perpetuate about themselves.
Standard de Liege just failed to win their league from a commanding position going into the playoffs. None of the other clubs are particularly successful. And probably best not to mention his political career, but certainly not something we can call a success.
Personally, I prefer the kinds of successful people that claim their failures as integral to their successes. People can relate to that.
I will tell you why I like him. He got rid of an under performing manager, he is developing the training ground. He is spending his hard earned on a new pitch and drainage. He is trying to lower the debt in the club. We can't keep on losing 7 million every Year. He also is very keen to use the lads from the Academy, which I think is the way forward.
What I haven't agreed with, are the level of players we brought in January. This needs to be addressed. Also I believe Jose Riga should have been given a new contract. But I will not rubbish Bob Peeters before he has arrived or just because he played for Millwall once. I don't give a rats arse who he used to play for. I will judge him on what results he gets for Charlton Athletic. As I have judged all of the previous managers.
So now we are onto our second gamble in a few months, is it all really necessary - didnt we already have a competent, young and well respected in English football manager - who just needed some f*cking help at the end of the day.
It's filth and you know it and it makes me feel sick
It's a blot on anyone's career who's even been there in my eyes
Everyone can chose to ignore this but I can't
And obviously I'd back anyone who comes to us BUT I'd prefer they had no connection to that bucket shop but it is what it is , sorry for not turning a blind eye
And yes it is an immature attitude but ffs we are talking about 11 men running around kicking a football when did sensible maturity ever come in to following a football team
And I tell you how mature I am on my bbm messenger and whatsapp profile picture I already have a picture of BP just as I did JR and SCP I'm 43 years young and a father of 4 , if that isn't immaturely pathetic I don't know what is !!!!!
no-one likes us
apart from half of charlton life
I fully expect Peeters to be appointed today/tomorrow and of course my default position with any new manager is to give them 100% support, but I can't pretend I'm not very, very concerned at what's happening at our club.