I've tried to get an understanding of what's going on but in all honesty, I haven't a clue!
Sounds like something major has gone down, can anyone give me a brief overview, please?
Yeah the man who was sacked wasn't actually sacked but could now be sacked before Saturday although that may not be the only sacking as the man who sacked and then unsacked the man who was sacked is apparently going to be sacked by the men who can sack people and then we're going to get Alex Ferguson in as manager but we won't sack him in his first season.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.
Callum do you think MA is the right man for the Charlton job? As in, will get us promoted if given time? Genuine question.
Asking because I respect your opinion, but personally I don't think he is, was or will ever be the right fit for us, and have felt that way since day 1.
I don’t buy the “right fit” narrative in the first place which I think is the major point of difference more than anything else.
You either win games or lose games. The right fit manager is the one that wins games. You don’t keep a losing manager around because they’re a nice bloke.
On Appleton specifically, I think he’s an improvement on Holden and on Garner.
I don’t think he’s the best manager we could’ve possibly got but we could also have someone a lot worse.
I think someone like Duff could well be better but I’m not stupid enough to be oblivious to the possibility that we would end up even worse because nothing is guaranteed.
On balance, given the current circumstances, I think he’s worth sticking with for a bit longer.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.
I haven't said anything personal about Appleton so why would I take it personally? What actually annoyed me was the sudden pile on of everyone backing him up, as if we have a fanbase full of trolls when that couldn't be further from the truth.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.
I haven't said anything personal about Appleton so why would I take it personally? What actually annoyed me was the sudden pile on of everyone backing him up, as if we have a fanbase full of trolls when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Ah the internet and how it polarises people. I’m sure we can agree that the reality is somewhere in the middle.
There are both a few people calling him names and a few people backing him up and that’s about it - 90% are keeping the personals out of it.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
Callum do you think MA is the right man for the Charlton job? As in, will get us promoted if given time? Genuine question.
Asking because I respect your opinion, but personally I don't think he is, was or will ever be the right fit for us, and have felt that way since day 1.
I don’t buy the “right fit” narrative in the first place which I think is the major point of difference more than anything else.
You either win games or lose games. The right fit manager is the one that wins games. You don’t keep a losing manager around because they’re a nice bloke.
On Appleton specifically, I think he’s an improvement on Holden and on Garner.
I don’t think he’s the best manager we could’ve possibly got but we could also have someone a lot worse.
I think someone like Duff could well be better but I’m not stupid enough to be oblivious to the possibility that we would end up even worse because nothing is guaranteed.
On balance, given the current circumstances, I think he’s worth sticking with for a bit longer.
Out of all three, Appleton has the worst winning percentage at an incredible 29.6% and all at a very similar number of games played. Holden is way out in front with 37% (I know you love a stat Callum!) Genuine, polite question - Where have you seen the improvement?
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
But if people genuinelyfind this offensive, then why is it neverchallenged at the time.
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?
Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all now
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.
His name is Chris Powell.
Is that a more satisfactory answer?
Sorry but that is nonsense.
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.
It really feels like there is absolutely no way back from here for Appleton regardless of the next few results, can anyone think of any occasions where manager as been at this point so close to the brink then managed to turn it around and go to have success?
Fergie almost got fired in his first season at Man Utd
He’d actually achieved something prior to being Utd manager mind.
Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all now
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.
His name is Chris Powell.
Is that a more satisfactory answer?
Sorry but that is nonsense.
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.
MA only lost 2 of his first 16
How many did he win?
how did the next 10 go?
Don’t know mate - look it up. Making the point that he had a reasonable start and a poor period after it, like Powell.
I’d take Powell back in a heartbeat - just not buying the ‘clueless’ narrative about MA and still hoping he somehow turns it around.
No info but I’m guessing that we’ll have Appleton in place now for at least the rest of this season. Anything other than that is just going to add to the fiasco.
No info but I’m guessing that we’ll have Appleton in place now for at least the rest of this season. Anything other than that is just going to add to the fiasco.
not sure on the whole season but I think they’re holding out as long as they can. Ideal scenario for the board/owners is results pick up and we go on a good run, next best option is we do ok for long enough to appoint an interim until the end of the season and not have to rush an appointment, worst case scenario is we lose the next 2/3 games (whatever their limit is) and they have to pay off Appleton and hire a new head coach
No info but I’m guessing that we’ll have Appleton in place now for at least the rest of this season. Anything other than that is just going to add to the fiasco.
i'm still convinced he'll be gone before the weekend.
Appleton is a shit manager and he will never win over the fans or get us promoted. I seriously cannot believe that some on here are prepared to defend him and give him more Time. The more time we give him the more likely we are to get relegated. Just get rid of the ugly prick now and appoint a decent manager.
And yes I would say all of the above to the stumpy cnut.
If one assumes 3 points for a win across all his 453 games in management so far, then according to Wiki his record is 1.39 points per game, which would leave us on 64 points over 46 games. Nothing special but NOT a serial loser as some insist. He's still won more games than he's lost. Fact.
I'm not saying he should continue with us because I don't, but I can't understand why some still feel the need to rewrite the record books when all that matters is his record with us.
It's always been the case that the fans on here don't like him. That is not based on the facts that you quite rightly point out Swordfish. Chunes has stated it's nothing personal, well best we look back to how many times Appleton's pic appeared on here with the usual derogatory comment, every time our managerial vacancy was up for grabs. He's not liked by the fans, it is personal, but for the good of the club and himself it's probably best we part company.
Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all now
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.
His name is Chris Powell.
Is that a more satisfactory answer?
Sorry but that is nonsense.
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.
MA only lost 2 of his first 16
How many did he win?
how did the next 10 go?
Don’t know mate - look it up. Making the point that he had a reasonable start and a poor period after it, like Powell.
I’d take Powell back in a heartbeat - just not buying the ‘clueless’ narrative about MA and still hoping he somehow turns it around.
Drawing every game still gets you relegated.
No point talking about 'staying unbeaten' if you can't win. Look at the win rate.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
But if people genuinelyfind this offensive, then why is it neverchallenged at the time.
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?
Exactly. Look, I think we spend enough time arguing as it is on here without challenging everything we don't like to see. I only commented on it now because MA's comments seem to have caused some to feel, well not threatened as such, but certainly affronted.
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
But if people genuinelyfind this offensive, then why is it neverchallenged at the time.
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?
It probably wasn't challenged because the good majority on here don't like him, it has nothing to do with his ability or his record, I'd like a pound for every time his pic appeared on here before he even got anywhere near the club.
Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all now
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.
His name is Chris Powell.
Is that a more satisfactory answer?
Sorry but that is nonsense.
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.
MA only lost 2 of his first 16
How many did he win?
how did the next 10 go?
Don’t know mate - look it up. Making the point that he had a reasonable start and a poor period after it, like Powell.
I’d take Powell back in a heartbeat - just not buying the ‘clueless’ narrative about MA and still hoping he somehow turns it around.
The difference is that most people called this when he was appointed
I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.
- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
But if people genuinelyfind this offensive, then why is it neverchallenged at the time.
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?
It probably wasn't challenged because the good majority on here don't like him, it has nothing to do with his ability or his record, I'd like a pound for every time his pic appeared on here before he even got anywhere near the club.
I think that's true. And I think another reason it's not challenged is that everyone knows, this is just how people talk about football and it's how they've always talked about football. So why challenge that? Calling someone a useless prick isn't actually meant personally any more than calling them a donkey is meant literally.
Having watched MA's pre-match interview I was struck by how calm and measured he was, which is in sharp contrast to the panicked and depressive sentiments that appear to be infesting this board. Even the journos who were interviewing him came across as jittery and nervous. And yet he came across as an oasis of calm in the eye of the storm. It's like looking at parallel universes. I find the difference between the two utterly comical.
Having watched MA's pre-match interview I was struck by how calm and measured he was, which is in sharp contrast to the panicked and depressive sentiments that appear to be infesting this board. Even the journos who were interviewing him came across as jittery and nervous. And yet he came across as an oasis of calm in the eye of the storm. It's like looking at parallel universes. I find the difference between the two utterly comical.
If you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs, you clearly don't understand how big a crisis you're in
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Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.
You either win games or lose games. The right fit manager is the one that wins games. You don’t keep a losing manager around because they’re a nice bloke.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
Genuine, polite question - Where have you seen the improvement?
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?
This is three threads in one!
how did the next 10 go?
I’d take Powell back in a heartbeat - just not buying the ‘clueless’ narrative about MA and still hoping he somehow turns it around.
I seriously cannot believe that some on here are prepared to defend him and give him more Time.
The more time we give him the more likely we are to get relegated.
Just get rid of the ugly prick now and appoint a decent manager.
And yes I would say all of the above to the stumpy cnut.
No point talking about 'staying unbeaten' if you can't win. Look at the win rate.