Bloody hell. I really tried to turn a positive page this season given how anti I’ve been with this team over the last few years. And I genuinely thought coming out of the Orient game, maybe, just maybe with the likes of Camara and May coming in, we’re getting in some of the quality we need, we just need a bit more.
Injuries are a factor, no doubt. However, if ever there was a season when we needed a decent start, this was it. As fans, we are worn down. I appreciate you can say that about a lot of clubs, and I’ve been lucky enough to enjoy a lot of good years, but aside from Powell in 2011-13, and Bowyer in 18-20, we’ve had a miserable time since 2007. That’s a whole generation that have had a hard ride, and that’s all they know.
I understand that this will be no quick fix, but again, the start we’ve had this year is beginning to look Adkinesque.
I think that generally speaking, the majority of fans were in agreement that we need 3/4 more first team players that could come in and make a difference before today. We’ve now got just under a week to do that. It’s unlikely that’s going to happen if you’re being brutally honest.
It’s a long season and I will do my best to try not to fall into habits of recent years where I’ve had little patience for this team and anyone who tries to argue for them, but it’s been the worst possible start, I’m scratching my head as to how it gets better, and I think Holden has made himself look silly with the charm offensive by going to the Oak after games last season. You earn that sort of respect and interaction after years or success on the pitch. He’s had neither and although I appreciate he’s got a hard job on his hands, I think he’s been found massively exposed this season
Methven was going into pubs in Sunderland. I suggest Holden was told to do this.
Who knows. I like Holden, and I don’t underestimate the size of the job he has. Interestingly, when you join mid season as he did, you kind of get a free hit (within reason), but I found it an odd thing to do (just my personal opinion). At the moment, he’s got Adkins mark 2 written all over him. A big week needed.
There's literally not a single leader out there on the pitch. Unless that's rectified ASAP it's going to be a long hard season, we won't see games out that we're winning and we will leak goals at the end, especially away from home when the pressure piles on.
You don’t think Dobbo is a leader?
I agree there doesnt seem to be anyone else, especially as Hector seems to be smoking something.
There's literally not a single leader out there on the pitch. Unless that's rectified ASAP it's going to be a long hard season, we won't see games out that we're winning and we will leak goals at the end, especially away from home when the pressure piles on.
You don’t think Dobbo is a leader?
I agree there doesnt seem to be anyone else, especially as Hector seems to be smoking something.
Hector is an almighty let down. I was hoping not just for quality and experience on the pitch, but also for a leader and mentor for players like Ness, Deji etc. We are getting anything but.
There's literally not a single leader out there on the pitch. Unless that's rectified ASAP it's going to be a long hard season, we won't see games out that we're winning and we will leak goals at the end, especially away from home when the pressure piles on.
You don’t think Dobbo is a leader?
I agree there doesnt seem to be anyone else, especially as Hector seems to be smoking something.
I don't think Dobbo is a fantastic leader of men actually, he's the best we have but I don't see him galvanising the team like some former captains of ours did. I don't think he's inspiring or a real motivator
Young, talented, inexperienced loanee's are not what we require. As good as Jes was, he couldn't get us into the playoffs on his own. We have to bring in a Permanent, highly experienced, hard nut, leader, or two. A winner, someone who hates defeat. I tried to imagine Kins on that pitch yesterday, running around, fist clenched, shouting, geeing up his teammates. Or a Robbo. This mob have no one to look up to, we are like a rudderless ship, and all Holden seems to be good at is putting his arms around shoulders, saying, "there, there". You start building a team at the back, we have no foundation from which to gain results.
Good to hear there were boos at half time , we got 1-1out of the second half and full time boos could help us v Fleetwood id prefer us to boooo constantly until we’re out of this shithole cos fucking cheering these cnuts doesn’t work
Still early days but a terrible start sapping confidence and optimism all round. Need to stop the rot against Fleetwood. Can't see our transfer targets being tempted to join a Club that looks more set to be lower half of L1 given our start, and reputation wise we've done nothing in recent years to suggest a promotion challenge is even a remote possibility. Can't even establish ourselves at this level without replacing the manager every year.
There's literally not a single leader out there on the pitch. Unless that's rectified ASAP it's going to be a long hard season, we won't see games out that we're winning and we will leak goals at the end, especially away from home when the pressure piles on.
You don’t think Dobbo is a leader?
I agree there doesnt seem to be anyone else, especially as Hector seems to be smoking something.
Hector is an almighty let down. I was hoping not just for equality and experience on the pitch, but also for a leader and mentor for players like Ness, Deji etc. We are getting anything but.
100%. Hector is no where near 100% match fit. From the outside perspective it seems like he got the sulk because never got a championship deal and never worked hard enough to stay fit over the summer.
Holden had a pass last year because under Garner we'd become so lack lustre and beige anything was the better option. Galvanised by the Brighton win we had a reasonable end to the season and his straight talking and reasoned post match was almost Bowyer-esque.
Has he had a hit on the head over the summer? Holden seems a totally different bloke splurging PR nonsense and giving Garner a run for his money with delusion. I for one expected a organised, hardworking team but what we've seen so far is a complete lack of organisation and nobody holding account for the performances. The fans aren't stupid Dean stop this nonsense, go back to basics, make us hard to beat and get some fire back!
There's literally not a single leader out there on the pitch. Unless that's rectified ASAP it's going to be a long hard season, we won't see games out that we're winning and we will leak goals at the end, especially away from home when the pressure piles on.
You don’t think Dobbo is a leader?
I agree there doesnt seem to be anyone else, especially as Hector seems to be smoking something.
Hector is an almighty let down. I was hoping not just for equality and experience on the pitch, but also for a leader and mentor for players like Ness, Deji etc. We are getting anything but.
100%. Hector is no where near 100% match fit. From the outside perspective it seems like he got the sulk because never got a championship deal and never worked hard enough to stay fit over the summer.
Blimey that first half was a new low. The drop in belief and confidence after that first goal palpable and the lack of leadership on the pitch is stark. I'd go so far as to say the need for an experienced leader and dominant personality actually trumps our desperate need for a support striker who can hold the ball up, lay the ball of and generally throw their weight around. If we could get both in the same package that would be nice, haha. Thank god he removed young Ness from the firing line and should probably do the same with Anderson and maybe Asiimwe. These are talented kids but we are in a scrap now and they could do without the weight of expectation and summary judgement on their shoulders. Holden clearly gave them a rocket at half time and the performance improved second half, it could hardly have been worse. New Campbell looks like he has something about him, maybe something to get excited about there and "old" Campbell put in a great cameo. But that sucker punch winner. Christ almighty. The last thing we need is another manager change but I suspect that is what we are close to getting. Our set piece coach needs replacing.
Ultimately we are rotten to the core. We’ve got a group of chancers who saved us from Sandgaard, who saved us from Southall and co, who saved us from Roly…. It’s a never ending tale of shit owners.
I really want it to work with Holden, but I just can’t see how it can - the bloke can only work with the tools provided. We beat the mighty Leyton Orient and we start lauding it to the crowd….Fucking hell, a 1-0 win against a team promoted from league 2!!! The fans were even singing “the reds are going up song…you just can’t take this club seriously.
the only way we are ever going to get out of this mess is with serious owners that are willing to invest. Until that happens we are going in one direction and it’s not upwards.
Re the previous owners have to agree with you. The problem now has to lay at the feet of the SMT who have sold the idea of owning a football club to the new owners. This ownership now has until this window closes to sort out this mess. Dean Holden appears to be getting the blame along with youth players and unforced errors by the team. Nothing will change this coming week and anyone who didn’t see this coming I feel sorry for. Thank for explaining what went on after the Orient game, would appear some fans are deluded as the SMT .
We need 2 decent cb in because what we have got are not good enough. Plus a rb and cf will then see an improvement with out this will end up where we are.
”….Charlton are a forgotten team in the division, for all their historical status, nobody talks about them either challenging for promotion or going down. Knowing quite what you’re going to get is hard.”
Unfortunately, the team’s current form means we know exactly what to expect. If we keep shipping goals, we will soon become a topic of conversation.
I have little confidence that the squad will be significantly improved in the next week. The owners are probably looking at matching incomings with outgoings, which is probably not going to happen. They are understandably keen to move some players on (as we all are) but I suspect that McGrandles - who might be capable of contributing - is the only one who is likely to attract other clubs. Even if we manage to shift Kirk and DJ out on loan, we’ll have to pay the vast bulk of their wages (especially Kirk’s) and it won’t make much of a dent in the monthly outgoings.
We’re also a very unattractive prospect at present, both for individual players and for clubs looking to loan out peripheral members of their squads. The question mark over Holden’s future after five consecutive defeats is hardly going to help either.
No doubt Scott, Rodwell and Holden will be busy this week rehearsing their excuses for Charlton TV and the local press.
Bit familiar all this isn't it. The 21/22 season started very similarly; big talk about going up, haphazard recruiting, an early 2-1 loss away at Oxford and looking at an early season game against - on paper - easier opposition to ease the pressure a bit. We did that beating Crewe 2-0 but it was a false dawn and before long we'd suffered an embarrassing 3-2 reverse at home against a tiny team and then were desperately looking to the upcoming Fleetwood match to give us some hope our season was salvageable. It wasn't. We (barely) beat Fleetwood but it didn't change anything and we waited 13 games to get rid of Adkins, which was at least 3 games too long. I wonder how many Holden will get if we carry on like this
The problem we face now, is how do we sell a dream to players to come to Charlton. The recent history is a shit show, season after season. Big club my arse. The likes of Barnsley are a bigger club prospects wise and thats something that turns the gut coming from South Yorkshire. That said I pay no disrespect to Barnsley. They are a small well loved club surrounded by the likes of Wednesday, United, Leeds, and Hull. They don't try to be something they aren't.
Charlton need to do the same. Accept we are now in little league, but play with the heart, passion, desire, and most importantly, respect for the badge and fans, like we want to fight to get back into the big time again.
I remember reading an artical, probably 10+ years ago and it gave an average league(s) position for each team. We were in 30th spot, probably much lower average now, but one other team also occupied that same spot, Barnsley.
Let's face it, Charlton fans aren't glory hunters. Most of us support this cursed club because it was handed down to us, and we've done the same. I'll never walk away but Christ there are times that it's a tough club to follow.
Sort it out Dean. We all want you to be a success. We deserve it.
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We have to bring in a Permanent, highly experienced, hard nut, leader, or two. A winner, someone who hates defeat.
I tried to imagine Kins on that pitch yesterday, running around, fist clenched, shouting, geeing up his teammates. Or a Robbo.
This mob have no one to look up to, we are like a rudderless ship, and all Holden seems to be good at is putting his arms around shoulders, saying, "there, there".
You start building a team at the back, we have no foundation from which to gain results.
and full time boos could help us v Fleetwood
id prefer us to boooo constantly until we’re out of this shithole cos fucking cheering these cnuts doesn’t work
Has he had a hit on the head over the summer? Holden seems a totally different bloke splurging PR nonsense and giving Garner a run for his money with delusion. I for one expected a organised, hardworking team but what we've seen so far is a complete lack of organisation and nobody holding account for the performances. The fans aren't stupid Dean stop this nonsense, go back to basics, make us hard to beat and get some fire back!
The drop in belief and confidence after that first goal palpable and the lack of leadership on the pitch is stark.
I'd go so far as to say the need for an experienced leader and dominant personality actually trumps our desperate need for a support striker who can hold the ball up, lay the ball of and generally throw their weight around.
If we could get both in the same package that would be nice, haha.
Thank god he removed young Ness from the firing line and should probably do the same with Anderson and maybe Asiimwe.
These are talented kids but we are in a scrap now and they could do without the weight of expectation and summary judgement on their shoulders.
Holden clearly gave them a rocket at half time and the performance improved second half, it could hardly have been worse.
New Campbell looks like he has something about him, maybe something to get excited about there and "old" Campbell put in a great cameo.
But that sucker punch winner. Christ almighty.
The last thing we need is another manager change but I suspect that is what we are close to getting.
Our set piece coach needs replacing.
Re the previous owners have to agree with you. The problem now has to lay at the feet of the SMT who have sold the idea of owning a football club to the new owners.
This ownership now has until this window closes to sort out this mess. Dean Holden appears to be getting the blame along with youth players and unforced errors by the team.
Nothing will change this coming week and anyone who didn’t see this coming I feel sorry for.
Thank for explaining what went on after the Orient game, would appear some fans are deluded as the SMT .
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/four-takeaways-from-charltons-2-1-loss-at-oxford-united-organisation-and-game-management-under-scrutiny-after-fifth-defeat-on-the-spin/
From an Oxford Blog.
Fair assessment?
he is not good enough to stay in this league 👎👎👎
”….Charlton are a forgotten team in the division, for all their historical status, nobody talks about them either challenging for promotion or going down. Knowing quite what you’re going to get is hard.”
Unfortunately, the team’s current form means we know exactly what to expect. If we keep shipping goals, we will soon become a topic of conversation.
I have little confidence that the squad will be significantly improved in the next week. The owners are probably looking at matching incomings with outgoings, which is probably not going to happen. They are understandably keen to move some players on (as we all are) but I suspect that McGrandles - who might be capable of contributing - is the only one who is likely to attract other clubs. Even if we manage to shift Kirk and DJ out on loan, we’ll have to pay the vast bulk of their wages (especially Kirk’s) and it won’t make much of a dent in the monthly outgoings.
We’re also a very unattractive prospect at present, both for individual players and for clubs looking to loan out peripheral members of their squads. The question mark over Holden’s future after five consecutive defeats is hardly going to help either.
No doubt Scott, Rodwell and Holden will be busy this week rehearsing their excuses for Charlton TV and the local press.
Charlton need to do the same. Accept we are now in little league, but play with the heart, passion, desire, and most importantly, respect for the badge and fans, like we want to fight to get back into the big time again.
I remember reading an artical, probably 10+ years ago and it gave an average league(s) position for each team. We were in 30th spot, probably much lower average now, but one other team also occupied that same spot, Barnsley.
Let's face it, Charlton fans aren't glory hunters. Most of us support this cursed club because it was handed down to us, and we've done the same. I'll never walk away but Christ there are times that it's a tough club to follow.
Sort it out Dean. We all want you to be a success. We deserve it.