@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasnt progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
Yeah but Chelsea's academy is not primarily for producing players for their first team, it's a money spinner innit. They stockpile players, loan them for fees and then sell them. So to tell him he's not wanted seems strange given his profile now.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
@Chunes He had an issue with his knee - related to growth. It meant he missed a lot of game time....and ultimately meant they were not patient enough so let him go.
There were a lot of clubs interested and he had quite a few trials. I'm fairly sure he got a few ofers too but, importantly, he chose to sign with us.
If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season.
But if we are scraping the barrel with signings and nothing appears to be improving then he's got to think of his career and what and where he will learn the most.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasnt progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
Yeah but Chelsea's academy is not primarily for producing players for their first team. It's a money spinner. They stockpile players, loan them for fees and then sell them. So to tell him he's not wanted seems strange given his profile now.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
@Chunes He had an issue with his knee - related to growth. It meant he missed a lot of game time....and ultimately meant they were not patient enough so let him go.
There were a lot of clubs interested and he had quite a few trials. I'm fairly sure he got a few ofers too but, importantly, he chose to sign with us.
If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season.
But if we are scraping the barrel with signings and nothing appears to be improving then he's got to think of his career and what and where he will learn the most.
Cheers mate. Always appreciate your input.
Sometimes premier league teams get it wrong. Players drop down to our leave l and do well.
we've done it. I've forgotten the guys name, he was a centre half we released when in the premiership and he went to Brentford then had a premier league career.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasnt progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
Yeah but Chelsea's academy is not primarily for producing players for their first team. It's a money spinner. They stockpile players, loan them for fees and then sell them. So to tell him he's not wanted seems strange given his profile now.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
@Chunes He had an issue with his knee - related to growth. It meant he missed a lot of game time....and ultimately meant they were not patient enough so let him go.
There were a lot of clubs interested and he had quite a few trials. I'm fairly sure he got a few ofers too but, importantly, he chose to sign with us.
If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season.
But if we are scraping the barrel with signings and nothing appears to be improving then he's got to think of his career and what and where he will learn the most.
Cheers mate. Always appreciate your input.
Sometimes premier league teams get it wrong. Players drop down to our leave l and do well.
we've done it. I've forgotten the guys name, he was a centre half we released when in the premiership and he went to Brentford then had a premier league career.
Definitely. Seems like they got it very wrong with this one!
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasnt progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
Yeah but Chelsea's academy is not primarily for producing players for their first team. It's a money spinner. They stockpile players, loan them for fees and then sell them. So to tell him he's not wanted seems strange given his profile now.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
@Chunes He had an issue with his knee - related to growth. It meant he missed a lot of game time....and ultimately meant they were not patient enough so let him go.
There were a lot of clubs interested and he had quite a few trials. I'm fairly sure he got a few ofers too but, importantly, he chose to sign with us.
If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season.
But if we are scraping the barrel with signings and nothing appears to be improving then he's got to think of his career and what and where he will learn the most.
Cheers mate. Always appreciate your input.
Sometimes premier league teams get it wrong. Players drop down to our leave l and do well.
we've done it. I've forgotten the guys name, he was a centre half we released when in the premiership and he went to Brentford then had a premier league career.
Michael Turner... It seems that Steve Brown was his "mentor" at the club, so he probably ran out of Sparrows Lane screaming.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Miles a few times. Won't comment on his footballing ability as I think that is clear and far better qualified people than me to talk on that. But something that stood out for me was his maturity (not talking in a footballing sense here), a very sensible and level headed young man.
Added to that he's in the fortunate position of having a father with reams of experience both on and off the field in the professional game, a mother who's been in and around the game for many years, together with due to a large part Tracey and Carl he'll also have no end of other 'footballing' people he could turn to for a second opinion on any given footballing decision if he so wished, whether that's on field, contracts or views on a particular club/manager/coach/player etc.
Therefore whatever lies ahead for his future in both the long and short term, I've no doubt whatsoever he will, when the time comes and when necessary, make absolutely the right decision for him. I really hope that he's with us for at least a few years yet, that the club treat him appropriately and that he feels he is progressing.
Like @Swisdom said "If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season."
To a large degree it's very much down to 'Charlton' to make sure at least in the short term that Miles feels it's the right place for him to be. With all the shenanigans the past 10 years that's not as straightforward as it should be!
As for the salary of some players quoted earlier (Fraser on that much!?!), I've no idea if that's even remotely close for Miles, but if it is, give the boy a damn big pay rise quickly Thomas!
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasnt progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
Yeah but Chelsea's academy is not primarily for producing players for their first team, it's a money spinner innit. They stockpile players, loan them for fees and then sell them. So to tell him he's not wanted seems strange given his profile now.
Chelsea also let JRS go, I guess as much as they stockpile players they can only keep so many.
All clubs make mistakes, Semi Ajayi and Jordan Zemura never played for our first team while we gave debuts to countless others who have fallen into non-league.
More recently we released Terrell Agyemang and he then signed for Man City.
To be honest, it is very unlikely Miles is going to go down in value and he is also very likely to be a more complete player next season which will make it impossible to hang on to him and he could become worth 3 or 4 times more than he is now. It would be stupid to let him go before next season for this reason and also, he is a player no League One club can afford and what a great thing to have a striker like that if we are going to try to get promoted.
Whilst I have no time for our current owner, but do have time for Miles and his family, it must be difficult for them to make the right decision on his future. Footballers have a short earning period and there is always the risk of injury so does the owner cash in now and what advice do the parents give Miles? The thing I don't understand is that Miles has a contract of a year or two, can the owner just sell him against his and his families wishes or can he/they refuse a transfer, which I guess opens another can of worms in that if there is a refusal the manager may be instructed not to play him.
I'm sure Tracey and Carl can see Miles developing nicely and will give him great advice. Look at Burstow , I'm sure for his development as a player , he would have been better off staying and learning for another year. He will be enjoying his increased salary but I don't think it was a good career move for him.
@Swisdom Do you know why Chelsea let him go? Seems unlikely they would've done had he been 6'6 at the time no? Still seems like an odd one given that he apparently had 24 teams after him upon release.
100 players ahead of him?
maybe being part of an academy of that size, he wasn't progressing and has only developed as a player since he has been here?
and using Burstow as an example, he was on their books, got released but is always on their radar so they can still buy cheap.
Whilst I have no time for our current owner, but do have time for Miles and his family, it must be difficult for them to make the right decision on his future. Footballers have a short earning period and there is always the risk of injury so does the owner cash in now and what advice do the parents give Miles? The thing I don't understand is that Miles has a contract of a year or two, can the owner just sell him against his and his families wishes or can he/they refuse a transfer, which I guess opens another can of worms in that if there is a refusal the manager may be instructed not to play him.
To be honest, it is very unlikely Miles is going to go down in value and he is also very likely to be a more complete player next season which will make it impossible to hang on to him and he could become worth 3 or 4 times more than he is now. It would be stupid to let him go before next season for this reason and also, he is a player no League One club can afford and what a great thing to have a striker like that if we are going to try to get promoted.
This summer he has 2 years left on his contract. In a year's time, unless he renews, that will be down to 1 year which will impact his transfer fee.
To be honest, it is very unlikely Miles is going to go down in value and he is also very likely to be a more complete player next season which will make it impossible to hang on to him and he could become worth 3 or 4 times more than he is now. It would be stupid to let him go before next season for this reason and also, he is a player no League One club can afford and what a great thing to have a striker like that if we are going to try to get promoted.
This summer he has 2 years left on his contract. In a year's time, unless he renews, that will be down to 1 year which will impact his transfer fee.
I think he is our ticket to promotion next season. Look at his goals and how he has developed. Of course we can't keep him for long but if he gets us promoted and a massive pay day we will support the lad wherever he goes.
I was watching a basketball documentary on Netflix and these taller athletes are constantly struggling with injuries. Gravity isn't too kind on people with legs so long. Most of them just learn to just play through the pain or they'll always be out injured. By the time their careers finish, they are pretty busted up.
I think it would be astonishing if there weren’t several difficult to ignore bids for Miles over the summer. A Premier League club could offer him life changing and future securing money and offer Charlton money enough to have a real impact on the squad rebuilding. I hate to say it but I think the best we can hope for is that whoever gets his signature allows him to stay and develop for one more season with us in league one. You never know we might get promoted next season and he’d be able to stay for a Championship campaign ? Footballers careers hang by a thread and he’d be absolutely nuts not to take an offer that at least in part sets him up for life.
He seems to pick up a niggle every other week. Hopefully that's to do with adjusting into his new height.
Whilst I think he’s an unreal talent, then needs as much game time -his goals will come naturally- I do wonder whether he’ll be in a similar boat to Chris Solly.
niggly injuries often then stops his from really reaching true potential and making the step up
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
To be fair the lunatics and egotists would do the same with the fee we should be able to get for him. They just wouldn’t spend enough and/or get it spectacularly wrong.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Just don't get comments like this. This "cesspit" of a club have given him a chance, given him his first contract, put him in the first team, seen him through his injuries and helped him along the way. They employ his mum in a job she appears to enjoy. I doubt Miles or the Leaburn family see us as a cesspit. Plus a sensible owner whom is £20M down on his "investment" with no end in sight would most likely pocket the cash in part repayment of their loans. Am emotional investor or a gambler or a money is no object owner would lob the whole lot back on more players. We are shit at the moment and poorly run but the club does still have a heartbeat, a tremendously successful academy, a wonderful community trust, a superb stadium, and some great employees (like Tracy). I find it tiresome reading so many comments about what a cesspit we are. We just need to strike it lucky with a super rich owner,.one dare I say it, like the Millwall bloke whom is happy to chuck.more than £100M at his whim.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Just don't get comments like this. This "cesspit" of a club have given him a chance, given him his first contract, put him in the first team, seen him through his injuries and helped him along the way. They employ his mum in a job she appears to enjoy. I doubt Miles or the Leaburn family see us as a cesspit. Plus a sensible owner whom is £20M down on his "investment" with no end in sight would most likely pocket the cash in part repayment of their loans. Am emotional investor or a gambler or a money is no object owner would lob the whole lot back on more players. We are shit at the moment and poorly run but the club does still have a heartbeat, a tremendously successful academy, a wonderful community trust, a superb stadium, and some great employees (like Tracy). I find it tiresome reading so many comments about what a cesspit we are. We just need to strike it lucky with a super rich owner,.one dare I say it, like the Millwall bloke whom is happy to chuck.more than £200M at his whim.
We have been turned into a cesspit of a club by a succession of shit owners. We didn't give Miles his chance out of the goodness of our heart, we did it because we were/are being run on the cheap. We struck lucky. Perhaps that bit of luck that you say we need with a super rich owner is just around the corner. I doubt it somehow. The heartbeat is getting fainter as each day passes.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Just don't get comments like this. This "cesspit" of a club have given him a chance, given him his first contract, put him in the first team, seen him through his injuries and helped him along the way. They employ his mum in a job she appears to enjoy. I doubt Miles or the Leaburn family see us as a cesspit. Plus a sensible owner whom is £20M down on his "investment" with no end in sight would most likely pocket the cash in part repayment of their loans. Am emotional investor or a gambler or a money is no object owner would lob the whole lot back on more players. We are shit at the moment and poorly run but the club does still have a heartbeat, a tremendously successful academy, a wonderful community trust, a superb stadium, and some great employees (like Tracy). I find it tiresome reading so many comments about what a cesspit we are. We just need to strike it lucky with a super rich owner,.one dare I say it, like the Millwall bloke whom is happy to chuck.more than £200M at his whim.
We have been turned into a cesspit of a club by a succession of shit owners. We didn't give Miles his chance out of the goodness of our heart, we did it because we were/are being run on the cheap. We struck lucky. Perhaps that bit of luck that you say we need with a super rich owner is just around the corner. I doubt it somehow. The heartbeat is getting fainter as each day passes.
No we haven't. We have been turned into an underperforming, poorly run club. I am not happy about it and desperately want us to be better than we currently are but this constant over dramatisation and talking down of our club is a nonsense.
Did we strike lucky? Out of all our kids Leaburn was given the longest contract, taken on pre season. The people in charge could clearly see his potential.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Sell him but only with a loan back. We can use the money to build a promotion winning team and still have him up front scoring 20 goals next season
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Sell him but only with a loan back. We can use the money to build a promotion winning team and still have him up front scoring 20 goals next season
I don’t think those types of deals happen as often as you’d think, certainly not in the summer. Whomever buys him will probably want him playing at a higher level than mid-table L1.
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Sell him but only with a loan back. We can use the money to build a promotion winning team and still have him up front scoring 20 goals next season
I don’t think those types of deals happen as often as you’d think, certainly not in the summer. Whomever buys him will probably want him playing at a higher level than mid-table L1.
Agreed. A PL club might loan the L1 player back for half a season, if the deal was done in January (as with Spurs and Dele, and us with Burstow) but with a summer move, they'd want the player there for the start of preseason before deciding what to do with him.
And why would a player want to move to a PL club in July, then be loaned straight back again to the same club?
For the benefit of his own career he needs to get away from this cesspit of a club. Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Sell him but only with a loan back. We can use the money to build a promotion winning team and still have him up front scoring 20 goals next season
I don’t think those types of deals happen as often as you’d think, certainly not in the summer. Whomever buys him will probably want him playing at a higher level than mid-table L1.
We can surely make that part of the deal though. There’s going to be multiple PL clubs in for him probably so we should be able to use that to our advantage. At least one of them will agree to it so that they can sign him ahead of the others, and it guarantees him football which he may not get guaranteed at championship level yet
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Cheers mate. Always appreciate your input.
we've done it. I've forgotten the guys name, he was a centre half we released when in the premiership and he went to Brentford then had a premier league career.
Added to that he's in the fortunate position of having a father with reams of experience both on and off the field in the professional game, a mother who's been in and around the game for many years, together with due to a large part Tracey and Carl he'll also have no end of other 'footballing' people he could turn to for a second opinion on any given footballing decision if he so wished, whether that's on field, contracts or views on a particular club/manager/coach/player etc.
Therefore whatever lies ahead for his future in both the long and short term, I've no doubt whatsoever he will, when the time comes and when necessary, make absolutely the right decision for him. I really hope that he's with us for at least a few years yet, that the club treat him appropriately and that he feels he is progressing.
Like @Swisdom said "If he continues to learn, and if the club show good intentions, there is no reason he won't be here next season."
To a large degree it's very much down to 'Charlton' to make sure at least in the short term that Miles feels it's the right place for him to be. With all the shenanigans the past 10 years that's not as straightforward as it should be!
As for the salary of some players quoted earlier (Fraser on that much!?!), I've no idea if that's even remotely close for Miles, but if it is, give the boy a damn big pay rise quickly Thomas!
All clubs make mistakes, Semi Ajayi and Jordan Zemura never played for our first team while we gave debuts to countless others who have fallen into non-league.
More recently we released Terrell Agyemang and he then signed for Man City.
The thing I don't understand is that Miles has a contract of a year or two, can the owner just sell him against his and his families wishes or can he/they refuse a transfer, which I guess opens another can of worms in that if there is a refusal the manager may be instructed not to play him.
We need to offer him a new longer deal.
niggly injuries often then stops his from really reaching true potential and making the step up
obviously way to early to see
Any sensible owner would use Miles' transfer fee to fund a promotion push next season, but sensible owners and Charlton don't go together.
Plus a sensible owner whom is £20M down on his "investment" with no end in sight would most likely pocket the cash in part repayment of their loans. Am emotional investor or a gambler or a money is no object owner would lob the whole lot back on more players.
We are shit at the moment and poorly run but the club does still have a heartbeat, a tremendously successful academy, a wonderful community trust, a superb stadium, and some great employees (like Tracy). I find it tiresome reading so many comments about what a cesspit we are.
We just need to strike it lucky with a super rich owner,.one dare I say it, like the Millwall bloke whom is happy to chuck.more than £100M at his whim.
We didn't give Miles his chance out of the goodness of our heart, we did it because we were/are being run on the cheap. We struck lucky.
Perhaps that bit of luck that you say we need with a super rich owner is just around the corner. I doubt it somehow.
The heartbeat is getting fainter as each day passes.
No we haven't. We have been turned into an underperforming, poorly run club. I am not happy about it and desperately want us to be better than we currently are but this constant over dramatisation and talking down of our club is a nonsense.
Did we strike lucky? Out of all our kids Leaburn was given the longest contract, taken on pre season. The people in charge could clearly see his potential.
And why would a player want to move to a PL club in July, then be loaned straight back again to the same club?