This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w. He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance
You weren't at Milton Keynes then!
No. You said he has been poor all season. Milton Keynes was one game.
JJ was great for years after his legs were apparently gone 🙂
He wasn't though, was he? We ceded the midfield every time he played from about 2014-15 onwards. A great leader and thinker but his legs had absolutely gone
Firstly. WIOTOS.....so lets temper our excitement a bit shall we.
Secondly. Doesn't really fit in with our "lowering the age of the squad" mantra.
Thirdly. Smacks of desperation & not a position we really need filling - unless he is going to play left back.
But is an ex player & everyone wets their pants wanting to sign those so lets crack on with the " now we are going to storm the league".
We make one signing over 30 (the others being 23, 28, 27, 24, 23, 23, 22 and 26 respectively) and you decide to throw that out. It's almost like you've been rehearsing it and waiting for your moment.
And you wonder why you get a lot of stick on here.
It does fit the mantra of needing some experienced players to help us out, which both Gallen and Adkins have repeated in the last monyh or so.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Albie goes out on loan.
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w. He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance
You weren't at Milton Keynes then!
No. You said he has been poor all season. Milton Keynes was one game.
His Statbank marks, albeit in three defeats, over the last three league games have gone 5.80, 4.69, 5.21. He is not playing well.
Really don’t get some of our fans issue with Dobson, okay, he isn’t Cullen, but he has broke up play well, reads the game pretty well, and keeps the ball ticking over, he gets stuck in and puts his body on the line. For a defensive midfielder, he has done an ok job. For me he has been our best midfielder this season.
This is some tallest-dwarf shit right here (and it's been Clare, narrowly, imo)
Really don’t get some of our fans issue with Dobson, okay, he isn’t Cullen, but he has broke up play well, reads the game pretty well, and keeps the ball ticking over, he gets stuck in and puts his body on the line. For a defensive midfielder, he has done an ok job. For me he has been our best midfielder this season.
This is some tallest-dwarf shit right here (and it's been Clare, narrowly, imo)
Are you for real?? Blimey. Apart from the 2nd half against Wednesday, he has been the worst player on the pitch.
Really don’t get some of our fans issue with Dobson, okay, he isn’t Cullen, but he has broke up play well, reads the game pretty well, and keeps the ball ticking over, he gets stuck in and puts his body on the line. For a defensive midfielder, he has done an ok job. For me he has been our best midfielder this season.
This is some tallest-dwarf shit right here (and it's been Clare, narrowly, imo)
Are you for real?? Blimey. Apart from the 2nd half against Wednesday, he has been the worst player on the pitch.
None of them have been great. Clare has had his moments. Maybe our perspectives are different because we're basing it off different games though; I've watched SW and MK.
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Yeah but he's had Clare and Morgan as his main midfield partners. Even Levitt would struggle to shine alongside those two.
I have no doubt he probably isn't the player he once was as he was one hell of a player, but just because it isn't working out at Forest doesn't mean he's shit. Forest is the club Championship careers go to die at the moment. Also adds some balance being left-footed.
I can show you videos of a 34yo Ben Watson bossing the Championship a season before signing for us. Forest fans were sad to see him go.
Don’t get me wrong, on paper it looks like a great signing, and it may well be the difference this season.
I’m just very cautious of signing injury prone players who have very high wages and are over 30.
This is classic Leuth. If everyone was ganging up on Dobson, he’d be claiming he was the second coming of Pirlo
Well I'm usually keen to defend any player getting unfair stick. If I'm handing out the stick, that's when you have to worry. Maybe Dobson can come good but at the moment he's like a random outcome generator every time he goes near the play
Really don’t get some of our fans issue with Dobson, okay, he isn’t Cullen, but he has broke up play well, reads the game pretty well, and keeps the ball ticking over, he gets stuck in and puts his body on the line. For a defensive midfielder, he has done an ok job. For me he has been our best midfielder this season.
This is some tallest-dwarf shit right here (and it's been Clare, narrowly, imo)
Are you for real?? Blimey. Apart from the 2nd half against Wednesday, he has been the worst player on the pitch.
None of them have been great. Clare has had his moments. Maybe our perspectives are different because we're basing it off different games though; I've watched SW and MK.
Clare has been awful, just runs around not doing a lot really..
once everyone fit, he won’t be in the side, and Dobson will be, that tells you what you need to know
Arter is a quality signing if true. If it means Dobson doesn’t play then i’m all for it, who to be fair is better than Clare but has to be the most average league one footballer i’ve ever seen.
Arter was playing regular Premier League football 2 years ago, so a club in the league one relegation zone should be able to benefit from his experience. Two problems are his persistent achilles issues and his disciplinary record both meaning he probably won't be a regular in the side.
A midfield isn’t one player. It’s a unit just like a back four is a unit. Both of are only as good as it’s weakest part. There has to be balance and familiarity to work effectively. A midfield of Arter, Lee and Gilbey to me at least looks to have balance going forwards and backwards. Still need another striker and left wing back in my opinion and cover for Inniss would be good but assuming Arter comes in, I’m much more confident that we can claw a top six. Such a pity we’re already playing catch up.
Great yet another player written off by the experts before he’s even kicked a ball playing for Charlton. Think I might watch him play before making a comment.
To be fair, surely that type of comment can also be levelled at the people who think he'll be brilliant for us? As they haven't seen him play for Charlton in 2021 either
It would be a pretty boring and empty message board if nobody was allowed to make negative or positive statements about any signings
Firstly. WIOTOS.....so lets temper our excitement a bit shall we.
Secondly. Doesn't really fit in with our "lowering the age of the squad" mantra.
Thirdly. Smacks of desperation & not a position we really need filling - unless he is going to play left back.
But is an ex player & everyone wets their pants wanting to sign those so lets crack on with the " now we are going to storm the league".
We make one signing over 30 (the others being 23, 28, 27, 24, 23, 23, 22 and 26 respectively) and you decide to throw that out. It's almost like you've been rehearsing it and waiting for your moment.
And you wonder why you get a lot of stick on here.
It does fit the mantra of needing some experienced players to help us out, which both Gallen and Adkins have repeated in the last monyh or so.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Albie goes out on loan.
Good point, people seem to have overlooked that statement.
This is all reminding me of the Ben Watson hype with added one-of-our-own. Let's see what's left of his engine shall we? A playing career can take it out of you somewhat
If he's less mobile than Watson I'll get a ..........
Slightly concerned by how quickly he fell out of favour at Forest, but potentially should be a good player for us
We do need to have an excessive number of midfielders now, considering that if we play 433 Lee is one of them, when you consider the gaps in the squad elsewhere
Lee, Gilbey, Morgan, Arter, Clare, Dobson, Watson plus the likes of Dempsey (who is over 21), Vennings, Henry...
Great yet another player written off by the experts before he’s even kicked a ball playing for Charlton. Think I might watch him play before making a comment.
To be fair, surely that type of comment can also be levelled at the people who think he'll be brilliant for us? As they haven't seen him play for Charlton in 2021 either
It would be a pretty boring and empty message board if nobody was allowed to make negative or positive statements about any signings
Totally agree, so why not wait until you seen the player before commenting after all I obviously mistakenly thought this was the rumour thread, not how shit or good (delete as appropriate). If you want to comment the surely you open a new thread and not clog up this thread. This thread should probably only be 2 pages long.
This is all reminding me of the Ben Watson hype with added one-of-our-own. Let's see what's left of his engine shall we? A playing career can take it out of you somewhat
If he's less mobile than Watson I'll get a ..........
I’d suggest the titanic was more mobile than Watson.😜
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I really wouldn't be surprised if Albie goes out on loan.
You'd be quite stupid really to say nobody age 29+ may sign just because of age and when they can improve the team.
Yeah but he's had Clare and Morgan as his main midfield partners. Even Levitt would struggle to shine alongside those two.
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Don’t get me wrong, on paper it looks like a great signing, and it may well be the difference this season.
once everyone fit, he won’t be in the side, and Dobson will be, that tells you what you need to know
Two problems are his persistent achilles issues and his disciplinary record both meaning he probably won't be a regular in the side.
It would be a pretty boring and empty message board if nobody was allowed to make negative or positive statements about any signings
But can we please sign a fucking left back!!!
We do need to have an excessive number of midfielders now, considering that if we play 433 Lee is one of them, when you consider the gaps in the squad elsewhere
Lee, Gilbey, Morgan, Arter, Clare, Dobson, Watson plus the likes of Dempsey (who is over 21), Vennings, Henry...