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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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THATs HIM!SouthWest_Addicks said:0 -
Too attacking, can’t have Morgan in that midfield, you need someone doing the dirty stuff.LargeAddick said:
That’s how I’d line up but Morgan for Dobson perhaps.Maccn05 said:I do wonder if this weeks signings will instigate a change of formation to Adkins previously preferred 4231… something like
Mcgivilray
Matthews Inniss Famewo Purrington
Arter Dobson
DJ Lee Kirk
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It has to come down to him protecting his body as he can't do the things he used to do unrestrained. There might be comorbid mental issues and he has been played out of position at times, but...are you suggesting he isn't trying? Players who don't try get sussed by managers instantly, dropped, and don't play againChunes said:
You can't be serious @leuthLeuth said:
What other explanation for a player of Gunter's pedigree being substandard can there be other than physical degradation?Chunes said:
I don't think Gunter's legs have gone. He's just been shit.killerandflash said:
Gunter was only 31 when he came in, and is only 5 months older than Arter, and it can be argued that he's declined significantly from his peakChunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.
And will Arter be shit because Gunter has been?
You're intelligent enough to come up with some other reasons without me helping!0 -
I was sent a text saying he had signed. I'm just passing on in good faith. My source has been wrong before. However his dad works at the club and I have no reason to disbelieve him.
However as always, WIOTOS.13 -
Old colleague of mine went to school with him.Redrobo said:
THATs HIM!SouthWest_Addicks said:
its fair to say that he hates the club.1 -
Do Canio was what 34 / 35 and was absolute filth when he signed for us, sure Hazzas best days are in the rear view mirror, but surely it doesn’t mean we should never sign a player aged over 30 again, that would be daft?
Ive no idea of how this would work out, Gunter and Watson have not been great signings yet, if we’re being completely honest, Hazza brings bags of experience, doesn’t come with a bad rep character as far as I’m aware, welcome on board son, please announce this soon Charlton!
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The only thing that’s consistent at the club when he went to what it is now…is the ground!CafcSCP said:
Old colleague of mine went to school with him.Redrobo said:
THATs HIM!SouthWest_Addicks said:
its fair to say that he hates the club.2 -
So would I, but I do find it difficult to understand why someone with nearly a hundred Premier League appearances to his name would sign for a League One side when he's only 31.Chunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.I also don't understand why he can't get near the Forest team. Watson made 45 appearances for Forest the season before he joined us, and they finished 7th in the Championship that year.There could be perfectly good reasons why Arter's willing to drop to League One and why it hasn't worked out for him at Forest, but I know he had some injury problems last season, so it is a bit of a concern that he may not be the player he was. Hopefully it'll be a case of a new start with a manager that believes in him, and it'll work out well for us.0 -
Yet Gunter still gets called up for Wales. I thought the Euros would have been the perfect stage for him to call it a day at international level or for Wales to say thanks for the 100+ caps but now they want to give younger players a chance.Leuth said:
What other explanation for a player of Gunter's pedigree being substandard can there be other than physical degradation? He's gained more experience, had more training. Short of getting the yips (which isn't really documented in football aside from in strikers), how could Gunter, once of Spurs, be hapless in League One if his legs haven't gone and he's trying to make up for it and failing?Chunes said:
I don't think Gunter's legs have gone. He's just been shit.killerandflash said:
Gunter was only 31 when he came in, and is only 5 months older than Arter, and it can be argued that he's declined significantly from his peakChunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.
And will Arter be shit because Gunter has been?
Yet Gunter gets called up again for the next round of internationals, you don't get called up if your legs have gone.1 -
The only reason for a player going out of form is physical degradation? What if they're 25? Good players don't ever go out form? Good players always play well at every club they play for? It always works out? They don't also have things happen outside of football that affect their game? Partnerships on the field? They get along with the other players, the staff? Formations and tactics always suit them? Come on now...Leuth said:
It has to come down to him protecting his body as he can't do the things he used to do unrestrained. There might be comorbid mental issues and he has been played out of position at times, but...are you suggesting he isn't trying? Players who don't try get sussed by managers instantly, dropped, and don't play againChunes said:
You can't be serious @leuthLeuth said:
What other explanation for a player of Gunter's pedigree being substandard can there be other than physical degradation?Chunes said:
I don't think Gunter's legs have gone. He's just been shit.killerandflash said:
Gunter was only 31 when he came in, and is only 5 months older than Arter, and it can be argued that he's declined significantly from his peakChunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.
And will Arter be shit because Gunter has been?
You're intelligent enough to come up with some other reasons without me helping!0 - Sponsored links:
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Unfinished business to do at Charlton, cmon home Hazza!0
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Gunter had been out of favour and form at Reading and aside from a couple of games has been out of form for his entire Charlton career. You don't lose form for a whole two and a bit years unless it's something more permanentChunes said:
The only reason for a player going out of form is physical degradation? What if they're 25? Good players don't ever go out form? Good players always play well at every club they play for? It always works out? They don't also have things happen outside of football that affect their game? Partnerships on the field? They get along with the other players, the staff? Formations and tactics always suit them? Come on now...Leuth said:
It has to come down to him protecting his body as he can't do the things he used to do unrestrained. There might be comorbid mental issues and he has been played out of position at times, but...are you suggesting he isn't trying? Players who don't try get sussed by managers instantly, dropped, and don't play againChunes said:
You can't be serious @leuthLeuth said:
What other explanation for a player of Gunter's pedigree being substandard can there be other than physical degradation?Chunes said:
I don't think Gunter's legs have gone. He's just been shit.killerandflash said:
Gunter was only 31 when he came in, and is only 5 months older than Arter, and it can be argued that he's declined significantly from his peakChunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.
And will Arter be shit because Gunter has been?
You're intelligent enough to come up with some other reasons without me helping!1 -
I have no doubt whatsoever, if we can pull this one off, it will prove to be the coup of the season in this league. Quality, quality player.2
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The difference between players like Gunter (and maybe Arter) and Di Canio is that the former two have spent their careers haring about making tackles and the latter had spent his career wafting volleys into the top corner3
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Also the better technical players can adapt to declining stats such as pace, stamina etc.... although much easier to disguise this as a centre back or centre forward as opposed to a central midfielder/ winger.Leuth said:The difference between players like Gunter (and maybe Arter) and Di Canio is that the former two have spent their careers haring about making tackles and the latter had spent his career wafting volleys into the top corner3 -
Yeah. Hopefully if he signs Arter's technical ability will shine through. But then again, Watson...0
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I remember seeing the Welsh squad boarding their plane and he ‘definitely’ had his legs with him on that occasion.MartinCAFC said:
Yet Gunter still gets called up for Wales. I thought the Euros would have been the perfect stage for him to call it a day at international level or for Wales to say thanks for the 100+ caps but now they want to give younger players a chance.Leuth said:
What other explanation for a player of Gunter's pedigree being substandard can there be other than physical degradation? He's gained more experience, had more training. Short of getting the yips (which isn't really documented in football aside from in strikers), how could Gunter, once of Spurs, be hapless in League One if his legs haven't gone and he's trying to make up for it and failing?Chunes said:
I don't think Gunter's legs have gone. He's just been shit.killerandflash said:
Gunter was only 31 when he came in, and is only 5 months older than Arter, and it can be argued that he's declined significantly from his peakChunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.
And will Arter be shit because Gunter has been?
Yet Gunter gets called up again for the next round of internationals, you don't get called up if your legs have gone.2 -
Arter plays international football for NI so should know Washigton.
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Arter plays for ROI.Dansk_Red said:Arter plays international football for NI so should know Washigton.3 -
Forest fans seem to be glad he’s gone but so many players seem to have failed there recently that you have to wonder if it’s really the players that are the problem…3
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Whilst weren't they disappointed that Ben Watson didnt sign a new deal? - If so hopefully their fans are really bad at rating their playersLeeds_Addick said:Forest fans seem to be glad he’s gone but so many players seem to have failed there recently that you have to wonder if it’s really the players that are the problem…0 -
He’s from Sidcup and came through our youth system - probably wants to put down rootsGillis said:
So would I, but I do find it difficult to understand why someone with nearly a hundred Premier League appearances to his name would sign for a League One side when he's only 31.Chunes said:Re: Arter's age, Gallen said that we would look to bring in a few experienced players as well. It's not just going to be all young'uns.
Also, I would be surprised if his legs are gone at 31 years old.I also don't understand why he can't get near the Forest team. Watson made 45 appearances for Forest the season before he joined us, and they finished 7th in the Championship that year.There could be perfectly good reasons why Arter's willing to drop to League One and why it hasn't worked out for him at Forest, but I know he had some injury problems last season, so it is a bit of a concern that he may not be the player he was. Hopefully it'll be a case of a new start with a manager that believes in him, and it'll work out well for us.2 -
Very very pleased with this signing.8
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Occasionally wonder how many games people actually watch after reading some of the put downs on here.6
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Regarding the Arter rumours I’m hearing it will be a season long loan with an option to make it permanent afterwards. My guess is it will be dependent on what league we’re in though.7
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Regarding the Arter rumours I’m hearing it will be a season long loan with an option to make it permanent afterwards. My contact’s guess is it will be dependent on what league we’re in…though
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Age is interesting as different players decline in their late 20's whilst others continue until their 40's. It also depends on the level in which they played.
I saw Edgar Davids play for Barnet in L2 and he played as a creative player and a totally different style to his hey day, but at that level he was different gravy.
In my time our record with older players has been mixed. Some good players in their 30's who did well for us include Harry Cripps, Terry Naylor, Leighton Phillips, John Bumstead, Steve Gatting, Garry Nelson, Mark Bowen, Mark Bright, Christian Dailly and Darren Pratley.6 -
great news0
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It’s a shame for Albie, I really really want him to do well, but he’ll be 22 this season, has been part of the first team squad for four seasons and has 60+ league appearances. He isn’t a super young, fresh out of the academy player, and I just don’t think we’ve seen the progress. He was given the number 10 shirt and started the season in the first XI which was a great opportunity for him to nail down a starting place but it really hasn’t worked so far. I would like to give him a little bit longer, and he’ll probably get that as Lee will need a couple of weeks to get up to speed but if things don’t improve quickly it could be the beginning of the end of Albie’s time at the club.0
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Clare, Arter
DJ, Lee, Kirk
Now we’re talking. Much much better and fair play they realised early on our midfield is crap.2
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