If he has signed on loan, does anybody know when? Is he eligible for today’s game?
Its not been announced on the OS yet.
So in that case I'd be extremely surprised if we've kept it quiet since midday yesterday.
Fair enough but that's what we have been fed for ages isn't in "lots going on behind the scenes", nice and quiet, so who knows, could all be cleared paperwork wise for today
I'll certainly be having a little giggle when the team sheet gets announced if he's on there
I dont see why teams dont do it more... e.g. we didnt say anything about Forster-Caskey's injury ahead of the Sunderland game until that moment, so why not do it with signings as well if everything has been signed off in time.
Similar reactions from Sheffield Wednesday fans when we signed Michael Morrison from them. For some reason it just doesn’t work at some clubs. I’d be happy with him back.
Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing
Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)
He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.
Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
Think that would leave us needing a left back, back up right sided centre back, and striker.
I agree but if we signed someone like Omole then Adkins could see him as LB and CB cover.
Think we need a quality out and out left back - especially for Adkins current system.
I don't disagree, I think we need a LB and a CB. But if we only sign one I can see us signing one that can play both, particularly given rumours of Bridge and Omole who both fit that.
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)
He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.
Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
I'll be curious to see what happens with Tom Lowery if he remains @ Crewe beyond the Window.
He's clearly not going to play, even for the U23s if he doesnt sign a new deal
So does he sign something with a bit of a pathetic release clause so they get something for him next season... Or does it drag on and Crewe end up selling him for even less come January, a bit like what we were forced to do with Doughty.
Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing
Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
Well he was a PL regular in 16-17 and again in 18-19 and now he's 31 and coming to league one, so i'd say it's pretty obvious his best days are behind him.
But he should be more than capable of pulling the strings in this division, he's not past it. Unfair to compare him to Watson who is 36. I think he'll be a decent signing*
Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing
Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
Any new player carries that risk. Arter is 31 not 36. At his age you would expect that major injury aside, he should be still 99% effective. Footballers these days are fitter and better prepared than ever before. A 31 year old who still has the mental drive should be still near his peak.
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w. He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w. He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance
Football is chock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows.
Football is cock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows.
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
Yes, they were. We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w. He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance
You weren't at Milton Keynes then!
Even if true that makes it more good games than bad and certainly not "torrid." He's never going to be a dynamic playmaker type but we don't need him to be.
Football is cock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows.
flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)
He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.
Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
He didn’t flop at Cardiff. Was their best player in their Premier League season.
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I dont see why teams dont do it more... e.g. we didnt say anything about Forster-Caskey's injury ahead of the Sunderland game until that moment, so why not do it with signings as well if everything has been signed off in time.
But he should still be good enough for L1
Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)
He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.
Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
He's clearly not going to play, even for the U23s if he doesnt sign a new deal
So does he sign something with a bit of a pathetic release clause so they get something for him next season... Or does it drag on and Crewe end up selling him for even less come January, a bit like what we were forced to do with Doughty.
But he should be more than capable of pulling the strings in this division, he's not past it. Unfair to compare him to Watson who is 36. I think he'll be a decent signing*
*i also thought this when Gunter signed.
Secondly. Doesn't really fit in with our "lowering the age of the squad" mantra.
Thirdly. Smacks of desperation & not a position we really need filling - unless he is going to play left back.
But is an ex player & everyone wets their pants wanting to sign those so lets crack on with the " now we are going to storm the league".