Transfer windows are always a toss up between getting players in as quickly as you can and getting the right players in.
CAFC have clearly decided that getting the right players in is worth the wait and I make them right on that decision.
We leave ourselves light of options for the opening 3 weeks of the season, hwoever as others have said, our first 11 is strong and we would be unlucky to lose players to injury in the first few games.
Yes it is a gamble but I think it is one that will hopefully pay off.
We could be sitting here with 10 new signings and a big squad, but if those signings are not of the required quality then we are in the shit really.
Transfer windows are always a toss up between getting players in as quickly as you can and getting the right players in.
CAFC have clearly decided that getting the right players in is worth the wait and I make them right on that decision.
We leave ourselves light of options for the opening 3 weeks of the season, hwoever as others have said, our first 11 is strong and we would be unlucky to lose players to injury in the first few games.
Yes it is a gamble but I think it is one that will hopefully pay off.
We could be sitting here with 10 new signings and a big squad, but if those signings are not of the required quality then we are in the shit really.
and if we wait and can't get the right players in anyway then we are either in the shit or signing shit. Time will tell if the waiting game works or not.
Yes, you might say that 2 of the loanees came in for Oztumer & Maddison, but I'm pretty sure we would have taken up our "quota" of 5 loans anyway, even if they had stayed.
So, from 16 players (or call it 14 if you really want to) we secured the services of 6 of them (Watson, Pearce, JFC, Matthews, Stockley & Famewo) and then signed 3 more (MacGillivray, Dobson & Clare). So we are down by at least 5. 7 by my maths.... but have it your way.
Oh.... and btw - 1 of the 9 is currently injured(JFC) so if I gave you the 14 you can give me back 1. So we are down 6. Then we were told that Watson & Pearce were going to be bit part players & were not going to be playing week in week out.
As someone earlier pointed out - I get a lot of stick on here but at least I am consistent. I got a hell of abuse a month ago for saying that Duchatalet (for all his faults- and there were loads) did (at first) support the manager with signings.
If TS hadn't have "saved us" and had merely bought the club from Duchatalet in Jan 2020 instead of ESI then I'm sure he would be getting a rougher ride than he is currently.
So we agree we don’t need replace anywhere near as many as Ipswich because we signed up 6 of the players who were out of contract. We also brought back two of our five loan players.
How many of Ipswich’s 20 released players stayed there and signed new deals? How many loans came back for this season?
On Maddison and Oztumer we were under a wage cap so it was important that they went. If they didn’t we may have brought in whoever we could loan for free I guess.
I’ve always agreed RD spent money on signings early on, no one can deny that. Our squads were never quite big enough but he spent big fees on the likes of Vetokele, Sarr, Bauer etc, more than we had spent for years. It could have been spent more wisely though, Powell achieved a lot more with a smaller budget. His managerial choices and sackings also made it unlikely to bring any success.
If we don’t bring in at least four signings by the end of the window TS will no doubt get a rough ride unless we’re winning every week. Plenty of unhappy fans are out there across social media. I’m not happy with the business so far either but I’ll judge it at the end of the window.
Transfer windows are always a toss up between getting players in as quickly as you can and getting the right players in.
CAFC have clearly decided that getting the right players in is worth the wait and I make them right on that decision.
We leave ourselves light of options for the opening 3 weeks of the season, hwoever as others have said, our first 11 is strong and we would be unlucky to lose players to injury in the first few games.
Yes it is a gamble but I think it is one that will hopefully pay off.
We could be sitting here with 10 new signings and a big squad, but if those signings are not of the required quality then we are in the shit really.
and if we wait and can't get the right players in anyway then we are either in the shit or signing shit. Time will tell if the waiting game works or not.
I agree.
It's a risky strategy, assuming that is the strategy.
Personally, I don't think there is a deliberate policy of waiting to the last minute and pick up a bargain.
I think that is forced upon us to a certain extent and we'd sign a player today (and announce him at the game in the new 4th shirt, ha ha) if we could. But for whatever reason the deals aren't getting done since we signed the five players we know about and who all did well on Saturday. We signed two others but it was stated that they were back up and some U23s have also joined.
The closer it gets to the transfer window the riskier that strategy (if that is what it is) becomes but it could mean clubs who are desperate to sell to reduce costs or free up funds will take a lower fee and players/agents a lower wage. In that way we get better players at a lower cost than if we bought now.
Or we're left signing free agents in September and it looks like there might be a lot of them on the market, albeit players not picked up for a good reason and perhaps not match fit.
It's frustrating not seeing new signings on the OS but as I have no control over it I'm not going to get upset about it.
If you're getting a bit twitchy about our lack of transfer activity just think how the players, agents and club Chairman who have are watching the clock tick down on the offers on the table...
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
is it? Shinnie may not have played under Adkins, Smith either but they were squad players and if we had injuries or suspensions they may have done. It's why you have a squad.
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
is it? Shinnie may not have played under Adkins, Smith either but they were squad players and if we had injuries or suspensions they may have done. It's why you have a squad.
And we still need to sign players as per the rest of my post ... but saying we've lost 16 players is bollox. We are 4/5 players short
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
is it? Shinnie may not have played under Adkins, Smith either but they were squad players and if we had injuries or suspensions they may have done. It's why you have a squad.
And we still need to sign players as per the rest of my post ... but saying we've lost 16 players is bollox. We are 4/5 players short
I agree, we are probably 5 players short.
But I'm not wrong in saying that 16 players that played for CAFC in 2020/21 "left" at the end of the season. One re-signed as he took up his option (Watson) & a couple of others took up our offer of re-engagement. 5 others we have signed.
I dont know what point you (or others) are trying to make. I simply said 16 players "left" in May. Some have rejoined but we are currently approx 6 short. Ipswich let more go but have signed more up. Oxford, on the other hand, hardly had any leave so didnt need to sign many.
It's the last comment I make on this. I think we all agree that we are 4/5/6 bodies short of a full squad. I expect most will be taken up by loans......which we have been told (many times) usually happens on transfer deadline day or very close to it. I reckon Kirk was probably the only player left for us to sign that was going to be a perm.
Yes very sad indeed if they are. The bloke has just lost his Dad. I doubt he gives a monkeys at the moment about football. Some real idiots out there in cyber land
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
is it? Shinnie may not have played under Adkins, Smith either but they were squad players and if we had injuries or suspensions they may have done. It's why you have a squad.
And we still need to sign players as per the rest of my post ... but saying we've lost 16 players is bollox. We are 4/5 players short
I agree, we are probably 5 players short.
But I'm not wrong in saying that 16 players that played for CAFC in 2020/21 "left" at the end of the season. One re-signed as he took up his option (Watson) & a couple of others took up our offer of re-engagement. 5 others we have signed.
I dont know what point you (or others) are trying to make. I simply said 16 players "left" in May. Some have rejoined but we are currently approx 6 short. Ipswich let more go but have signed more up. Oxford, on the other hand, hardly had any leave so didnt need to sign many.
It's the last comment I make on this. I think we all agree that we are 4/5/6 bodies short of a full squad. I expect most will be taken up by loans......which we have been told (many times) usually happens on transfer deadline day or very close to it. I reckon Kirk was probably the only player left for us to sign that was going to be a perm.
I am not saying you are wrong but It's the type of situation that can be twisted to suit an argument. For example, Oztumer and Maddison were running down their contracts elsewhere during last season, weren't in our squad at that time and were never going to return, we all knew that. You could also argue that Pearson, Watson, JFC and Matthews never actually left. Yes they were out of contact but negotiations were always ongoing and I don't think any of them were linked with another club. And Maatsen and Miller never belonged to us in the first place. As everyone one has said though we are probably 5 short and that is all that matters.
Transfer windows are always a toss up between getting players in as quickly as you can and getting the right players in.
CAFC have clearly decided that getting the right players in is worth the wait and I make them right on that decision.
We leave ourselves light of options for the opening 3 weeks of the season, hwoever as others have said, our first 11 is strong and we would be unlucky to lose players to injury in the first few games.
Yes it is a gamble but I think it is one that will hopefully pay off.
We could be sitting here with 10 new signings and a big squad, but if those signings are not of the required quality then we are in the shit really.
and if we wait and can't get the right players in anyway then we are either in the shit or signing shit. Time will tell if the waiting game works or not.
I think that's where the Madger Gomes types will come in. There's loads of out of contract players currently waiting to see what happens. With Covid affecting everyone's finances I would wager there's a better standard of player sat on a free transfer than there have been in the past, so if we can't get the exact players we're hoping for I reckon our backup plan is to pick up players like Gomes who maybe aren't as good as we'd hoped to get but are a cut above the Bogle and Smith types we've previously settled for
I spoke to someone involved in lower league recruitment this afternoon.
"Market is fucked, clubs offering pennies in the pound. Clubs won't know exactly where they are short until they sort their loans. If no one blinks clubs will go out of business and others will be fielding teams of kids. There will be a record number of unemployed players".
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
Over a 46 game season, you need 11 starters for each match. That's 506 appearances to be split among the squad.
Last season, a core group of 20 players (that started 10 or more games) accounted for 454 of those 506 appearances. The rest were cameo appearances from the youth (Barker), players that were moved on early in the season (Bonne) or loanees that didn't pan out (Levitt/Smith). Don't forget that included in that 20 are players like Millar and Stockley who joined on loan in January.
As it stands, our squad has 15/16 senior players that you could consider might be part of the core group (make 10+ starts this season). To reach the same number as last season (20) we would need 4 or 5 new players from where we are at currently.
I spoke to someone involved in lower league recruitment this afternoon.
"Market is fucked, clubs offering pennies in the pound. Clubs won't know exactly where they are short until they sort their loans. If no one blinks clubs will go out of business and others will be fielding teams of kids. There will be a record number of unemployed players".
Nothing has changed, yet.
Doesn't surprise me , clubs will wait until the final days before accepting anything.
Oshilaja replaced Pratley replaced Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins Amos replaced Aneke gone Watson still here JFC still here Matthews still here Pearce still here Famewo still here Smith didn't play Millar gone Maatsen gone Stockley signed on a perm Maddison didn't play Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
Over a 46 game season, you need 11 starters for each match. That's 506 appearances to be split among the squad.
Last season, a core group of 20 players (that started 10 or more games) accounted for 454 of those 506 appearances. The rest were cameo appearances from the youth (Barker), players that were moved on early in the season (Bonne) or loanees that didn't pan out (Levitt/Smith). Don't forget that included in that 20 are players like Millar and Stockley who joined on loan in January.
As it stands, our squad has 15/16 senior players that you could consider might be part of the core group (make 10+ starts this season). To reach the same number as last season (20) we would need 4 or 5 new players from where we are at currently.
Saying we've lost 16 and signed 5 is mad.
For the last time I have never said we lost 16 & signed 5.
I said (God knows when) that we lost 16 players & therefore needed to rebuild more than a lot of teams in this division. I haven't the fogiest how many players other teams have had to replace - but Ipswich seem to have decided to go hell for leather & not wait for the transfer deadline to pick up a bargain or 2.
FOR THE RECORD. WE HAD A SIZEABLE NUMBER OF PLAYERS LEAVE THE CLUB IN MAY. SOME HAVE SIGNED UP AGAIN & SOME WE SIGNED UP FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE ARE STILL 5 OR 6 PLAYERS SHORT OF A SQUAD THAT CAN COMPETE FOR PROMOTION AND IN MY MIND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.....WELL BEFORE.
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CAFC have clearly decided that getting the right players in is worth the wait and I make them right on that decision.
We leave ourselves light of options for the opening 3 weeks of the season, hwoever as others have said, our first 11 is strong and we would be unlucky to lose players to injury in the first few games.
Yes it is a gamble but I think it is one that will hopefully pay off.
We could be sitting here with 10 new signings and a big squad, but if those signings are not of the required quality then we are in the shit really.
How many of Ipswich’s 20 released players stayed there and signed new deals? How many loans came back for this season?
On Maddison and Oztumer we were under a wage cap so it was important that they went. If they didn’t we may have brought in whoever we could loan for free I guess.
I’ve always agreed RD spent money on signings early on, no one can deny that. Our squads were never quite big enough but he spent big fees on the likes of Vetokele, Sarr, Bauer etc, more than we had spent for years. It could have been spent more wisely though, Powell achieved a lot more with a smaller budget. His managerial choices and sackings also made it unlikely to bring any success.
If we don’t bring in at least four signings by the end of the window TS will no doubt get a rough ride unless we’re winning every week. Plenty of unhappy fans are out there across social media. I’m not happy with the business so far either but I’ll judge it at the end of the window.
It's a risky strategy, assuming that is the strategy.
Personally, I don't think there is a deliberate policy of waiting to the last minute and pick up a bargain.
I think that is forced upon us to a certain extent and we'd sign a player today (and announce him at the game in the new 4th shirt, ha ha) if we could. But for whatever reason the deals aren't getting done since we signed the five players we know about and who all did well on Saturday. We signed two others but it was stated that they were back up and some U23s have also joined.
The closer it gets to the transfer window the riskier that strategy (if that is what it is) becomes but it could mean clubs who are desperate to sell to reduce costs or free up funds will take a lower fee and players/agents a lower wage. In that way we get better players at a lower cost than if we bought now.
Or we're left signing free agents in September and it looks like there might be a lot of them on the market, albeit players not picked up for a good reason and perhaps not match fit.
It's frustrating not seeing new signings on the OS but as I have no control over it I'm not going to get upset about it.
Pratley replaced
Shinnie didn't feature for Adkins
Amos replaced
Aneke gone
Watson still here
JFC still here
Matthews still here
Pearce still here
Famewo still here
Smith didn't play
Millar gone
Maatsen gone
Stockley signed on a perm
Maddison didn't play
Oztumer. Didn't play
How about looking at it like this ? Nobody thinks we are ready for a full season but pretending we've lost 16 players is stupid... no matter how many people agree with you.
But I'm not wrong in saying that 16 players that played for CAFC in 2020/21 "left" at the end of the season. One re-signed as he took up his option (Watson) & a couple of others took up our offer of re-engagement. 5 others we have signed.
I dont know what point you (or others) are trying to make. I simply said 16 players "left" in May. Some have rejoined but we are currently approx 6 short. Ipswich let more go but have signed more up. Oxford, on the other hand, hardly had any leave so didnt need to sign many.
It's the last comment I make on this. I think we all agree that we are 4/5/6 bodies short of a full squad. I expect most will be taken up by loans......which we have been told (many times) usually happens on transfer deadline day or very close to it. I reckon Kirk was probably the only player left for us to sign that was going to be a perm.
Last season, a core group of 20 players (that started 10 or more games) accounted for 454 of those 506 appearances. The rest were cameo appearances from the youth (Barker), players that were moved on early in the season (Bonne) or loanees that didn't pan out (Levitt/Smith). Don't forget that included in that 20 are players like Millar and Stockley who joined on loan in January.
As it stands, our squad has 15/16 senior players that you could consider might be part of the core group (make 10+ starts this season). To reach the same number as last season (20) we would need 4 or 5 new players from where we are at currently.
Saying we've lost 16 and signed 5 is mad.
I said (God knows when) that we lost 16 players & therefore needed to rebuild more than a lot of teams in this division. I haven't the fogiest how many players other teams have had to replace - but Ipswich seem to have decided to go hell for leather & not wait for the transfer deadline to pick up a bargain or 2.
FOR THE RECORD. WE HAD A SIZEABLE NUMBER OF PLAYERS LEAVE THE CLUB IN MAY. SOME HAVE SIGNED UP AGAIN & SOME WE SIGNED UP FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE ARE STILL 5 OR 6 PLAYERS SHORT OF A SQUAD THAT CAN COMPETE FOR PROMOTION AND IN MY MIND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.....WELL BEFORE.