If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
3-5-2 maybe? Obviously prefer a proper set of wingbacks.
MacGillivray
Inniss - Pearce - Famewo
Matthews - Clare - Morgan - Dobson - Gunter Washington - Jephcott
I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening.
It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.
Being in the Championship helps. A lot.
They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.
That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.
Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years.
But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have.
That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently.
But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked, I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years.
They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.
It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.
Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?
I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.
We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.
buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.
All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit.
They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade. Then sold them for a profit. You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.
If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion. Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.
However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.
Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense. Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea.
Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument?
I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value? The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them. Often at the expense of having a good team.
If Stockley is banging in goals for fun, there's every chance a Championship club could think that was exactly what they needed in January?
Silly money could talk, perhaps?
Especially a team recently relegated from the Prem, still with parachute money in their pocket. Whether we'd want to sell or even Stockley want to go, is another matter of course.
He's played a lot of Championship games and his record is not that good.
I think he'd have to do an awful lot to convince anyone he's worth another punt at that level.
He'd have to score goals for fun. Or at least be the focal point, enabling team mates to score plenty. Target man lone forwards often have to sacrifice their own game, for the team effort and results.
A Championship club may think Stockley is just what they need, to do a job for the team, especially if they are struggling or hit by injury.
Meaningless stats without the context though.
It's easy to go on Wiki, quick glance at the players stats, and see that for Preston, Stockley made 65 appearances. Then you check another site ..... and see he made only 21 starts plus 44 sub appearances, scoring 9 goals.
He scored 9 goals from 21 starts - not too shabby, although no doubt some goals came from his sub appearances.
44 sub appearances ...... how many minutes was he actually on the pitch each game: 30 perhaps; or 20; or perhaps only the last 5? A player won't normally score too many goals if he's not on the pitch.
He started only 21 games over 2 and a half seasons. Does that mean he's rubbish, not up to the standard expected?
Or perhaps it was the Preston manager's formation, gameplan that left Stockley on the bench? He's a target man and perhaps there was a different player preferred, because he was better suited to their gameplan? Perhaps Stockley was the Plan B, to change things around if the match demanded?
Stockley has a certain way of playing - play to his strengths, with decent service and he's a handful. If you don't play to his skillset because you have a different tactic or gameplan, then he's wasted or won't get full game time.
To thrive, players need to be at the right club at the right time. If your face doesn't fit, move on. Stockley was keen to leave Preston remember.
If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
3-5-2 maybe? Obviously prefer a proper set of wingbacks.
MacGillivray
Inniss - Pearce - Famewo
Matthews - Clare - Morgan - Dobson - Gunter Washington - Jephcott
DJ has to start. He will be our best player this season.
I’m sure he was available on a free around a month ago before signing a new 2 year deal with Plymouth. Would we really offer 600k for a player we could have got for nothing? I’m sceptical at best, think we all know where the rumour has come from.
No club could have had Jephcott "for nothing".
He still had an existing contract running. His new contract he signed earlier this summer was basically a pay rise.
And by extending that contract by a further 2 years, protecting their value of the player, Argyle will feel that they are in a strong position to demand a bigger fee.
If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
Adkins has changed up formations at all his previous club's in the past so don't see why he'd now become Karl Robinson MK2 and only play a 433.
You also don't have to just play a target man lump in the 433/ lone forward role, plenty of the top clubs and national sides for an extreme example, granted league 1 calls for that though.
We might not have seen him set up with 2 forwards but, realistically, he's only had Stockley to work with so far.
£600k on Jephcott would be a bit of a steal. Be interesting if clubs start to take what's on the table
No nothing about him but his stats suggest he is a half season wonder so far. Last season was his break out year but he failed to score in any of the last 20 games.
He'd made his mark the season before in League 2 as Argyle won promotion.
Anyway, last season at The Valley, he was good enough to score twice against Charlton.
If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
3-5-2 maybe? Obviously prefer a proper set of wingbacks.
MacGillivray
Inniss - Pearce - Famewo
Matthews - Clare - Morgan - Dobson - Gunter Washington - Jephcott
Another 10+ posts talking about Ipswich today . Yawn. Head over to their forum instead of clogging up this one with shit. www.ivegotsevenfingerslife.com
Ipswich? So yesterday's discussion. Are you still only reading page 439 ....?
Since then we've moved on to discussing Peteborough's transfer policy, greedy L*le T*ylor refusing to play (again) and wondering whether we should laugh at @redbuttle now being known as redbutthole.
There might even be a Jephcott rumour. Although probably from a spotty wanked out 16 year old with a fake account winding us up.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well. We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
Anyone know how much a 3 bed semi is in Plymouth?
Its a massive issue and probably outways the "living in London" bonus.
House prices are going mental in the South West .... it seems half of London has decided to move to Cornwall and South Devon, dreaming of a better way of living.
Yeah, clear off and leave us to our idyllic isolation.
Seriously, I think far too many people living in and around London have a higher opinion of it than those of us living in the country.
If you like it, fine but I wouldn't move back into the land of angry drivers not getting anywhere fast in filthy toxic air. Just a short occasional visit is just fine thanks.
If Adkins wants to stick with 4-3-3 then he needs another target man / hold up player to compete with Stockley or replace him if he’s unavailable. There’s only room for one target man in 4-3-3 so whoever comes in needs to be similar to Stockley ? From where and to play second fiddle ? Or we could go 4-4-2 with Washington / Jephcott if Stockley isn’t around. Seems crazy not to sign another striker who can offer something else when 4-3-3 isn’t working.
3-5-2 maybe? Obviously prefer a proper set of wingbacks.
MacGillivray
Inniss - Pearce - Famewo
Matthews - Clare - Morgan - Dobson - Gunter Washington - Jephcott
I agree, but was in response to the supposition that we go 4-4-2 with Washington and Jephcott, I'd prefer however we kept our central midfield three.
Re Jephcott - He’s young, pretty good with both feet and scores headers too. He doesn’t have blistering pace and won’t beat 5 men with skill but he does have a knack of being in the right place in the box and finishes calmly rather than lashing it.
600k would be a lot for a chap playing for Truro up until a couple of years ago especially when that player isn’t vastly different to Stockley
I'd rather Charles than Jephcott, personally. Charles has more to his all-round game and is the kind of striker who can turn his man and score. Jephcott is a poacher, and I think they are valued less and less in the modern game.
I'd rather Charles than Jephcott, personally. Charles has more to his all-round game and is the kind of striker who can turn his man and score. Jephcott is a poacher, and I think they are valued less and less in the modern game.
I don't think we have the choice of either quite frankly and I very much doubt we are in for a striker like that with our formation.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well? We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
These players will be on £200k to £250k p.a. that easily gets them a mortgage of £800k to £1M if they're even seriously considering buying. Yes property prices are high in the SE London region but that sort of budget buys plenty to house a family If contracts are 3 years or less, they'll be looking to rent and the cost disparity there is much much smaller They've all got agents to help out with this sort of thing. Charlton also has the very best in player support in TJL There's a reason houses are pricier hereabouts than in unflushed sewers like Portsmouth, Crewe, Wigan, Ipswich, Peterborough Chislehurst or Southsea? Really FFS Dartford's a much nicer place to be than any of those mentioned If it's any real factor, housing costs are way down a long list of issues.
I'd like us to try to get Baah on loan from Watford. He is at an age where he has to play games and it is surely unlikely he will feature in the Premier League, although not impossible. If Watford decide it is a bit early for him, we ought to be there ready.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well. We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
Anyone know how much a 3 bed semi is in Plymouth?
Its a massive issue and probably outways the "living in London" bonus.
House prices are going mental in the South West .... it seems half of London has decided to move to Cornwall and South Devon, dreaming of a better way of living.
Yeah, clear off and leave us to our idyllic isolation.
Seriously, I think far too many people living in and around London have a higher opinion of it than those of us living in the country.
If you like it, fine but I wouldn't move back into the land of angry drivers not getting anywhere fast in filthy toxic air. Just a short occasional visit is just fine thanks.
Yep. Swapped London to living in West Yorkshire, would not consider going back. Much better quality of life and bigger house
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well. We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
Anyone know how much a 3 bed semi is in Plymouth?
Its a massive issue and probably outways the "living in London" bonus.
House prices are going mental in the South West .... it seems half of London has decided to move to Cornwall and South Devon, dreaming of a better way of living.
Yeah, clear off and leave us to our idyllic isolation.
Seriously, I think far too many people living in and around London have a higher opinion of it than those of us living in the country.
If you like it, fine but I wouldn't move back into the land of angry drivers not getting anywhere fast in filthy toxic air. Just a short occasional visit is just fine thanks.
Yep. Swapped London to living in West Yorkshire, would not consider going back. Much better quality of life and bigger house
Morning all the sun is shining the birds are singing and this thread is a mess again.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well. We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
Anyone know how much a 3 bed semi is in Plymouth?
Its a massive issue and probably outways the "living in London" bonus.
House prices are going mental in the South West .... it seems half of London has decided to move to Cornwall and South Devon, dreaming of a better way of living.
Yeah, clear off and leave us to our idyllic isolation.
Seriously, I think far too many people living in and around London have a higher opinion of it than those of us living in the country.
If you like it, fine but I wouldn't move back into the land of angry drivers not getting anywhere fast in filthy toxic air. Just a short occasional visit is just fine thanks.
Yep. Swapped London to living in West Yorkshire, would not consider going back. Much better quality of life and bigger house
Morning all the sun is shining the birds are singing and this thread is a mess again.
It’s Thursday morning, trust you’ve all slept well…….Listen, Whatever your day holds, keep a smile on your face, let’s make the thread even more of a mess everybody.
To be fair, the standard of this thread is only as bad as it is because there is literally nothing to talking about.
We dont even get linked with any players, let alone sign them. I cant remember there ever being a first game of the season where there has only been 3 new faces in the squad.
To be fair, the standard of this thread is only as bad as it is because there is literally nothing to talking about.
We dont even get linked with any players, let alone sign them. I cant remember there ever being a first game of the season where there has only been 3 new faces in the squad.
To be fair, the standard of this thread is only as bad as it is because there is literally nothing to talking about.
We dont even get linked with any players, let alone sign them. I cant remember there ever being a first game of the season where there has only been 3 new faces in the squad.
I’ve got a feeling we will sign a player today. It’s probably the last day to get a player in with a view to him being involved on Saturday and getting at least 1 training session in with the rest of the squad.
We don’t even get linked with players in the media... with Cawley on holiday we don’t even get confirmation that there’s no truth in the made up rumours from Twitter and other social media.
To be fair, the standard of this thread is only as bad as it is because there is literally nothing to talking about.
We dont even get linked with any players, let alone sign them. I cant remember there ever being a first game of the season where there has only been 3 new faces in the squad.
There was only 2 last season, wasn't there?
Yes, Washington and Gilbey. Although Levitt was an unused sub.
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MacGillivray
Washington - Jephcott
Target man lone forwards often have to sacrifice their own game, for the team effort and results.
A Championship club may think Stockley is just what they need, to do a job for the team, especially if they are struggling or hit by injury.
Meaningless stats without the context though.
It's easy to go on Wiki, quick glance at the players stats, and see that for Preston, Stockley made 65 appearances.
Then you check another site ..... and see he made only 21 starts plus 44 sub appearances, scoring 9 goals.
He scored 9 goals from 21 starts - not too shabby, although no doubt some goals came from his sub appearances.
44 sub appearances ...... how many minutes was he actually on the pitch each game: 30 perhaps; or 20; or perhaps only the last 5?
A player won't normally score too many goals if he's not on the pitch.
He started only 21 games over 2 and a half seasons. Does that mean he's rubbish, not up to the standard expected?
Or perhaps it was the Preston manager's formation, gameplan that left Stockley on the bench?
He's a target man and perhaps there was a different player preferred, because he was better suited to their gameplan? Perhaps Stockley was the Plan B, to change things around if the match demanded?
Stockley has a certain way of playing - play to his strengths, with decent service and he's a handful.
If you don't play to his skillset because you have a different tactic or gameplan, then he's wasted or won't get full game time.
To thrive, players need to be at the right club at the right time. If your face doesn't fit, move on.
Stockley was keen to leave Preston remember.
Purrington to Plymouth
He still had an existing contract running. His new contract he signed earlier this summer was basically a pay rise.
And by extending that contract by a further 2 years, protecting their value of the player, Argyle will feel that they are in a strong position to demand a bigger fee.
Adkins has changed up formations at all his previous club's in the past so don't see why he'd now become Karl Robinson MK2 and only play a 433.
You also don't have to just play a target man lump in the 433/ lone forward role, plenty of the top clubs and national sides for an extreme example, granted league 1 calls for that though.
We might not have seen him set up with 2 forwards but, realistically, he's only had Stockley to work with so far.
Anyway, last season at The Valley, he was good enough to score twice against Charlton.
Since then we've moved on to discussing Peteborough's transfer policy, greedy L*le T*ylor refusing to play (again) and wondering whether we should laugh at @redbuttle now being known as redbutthole.
There might even be a Jephcott rumour. Although probably from a spotty wanked out 16 year old with a fake account winding us up.
Seriously, I think far too many people living in and around London have a higher opinion of it than those of us living in the country.
If you like it, fine but I wouldn't move back into the land of angry drivers not getting anywhere fast in filthy toxic air. Just a short occasional visit is just fine thanks.
600k would be a lot for a chap playing for Truro up until a couple of years ago especially when that player isn’t vastly different to Stockley
Time will tell I guess
We dont even get linked with any players, let alone sign them. I cant remember there ever being a first game of the season where there has only been 3 new faces in the squad.