I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening.
It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.
Being in the Championship helps. A lot.
They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.
That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.
Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years.
But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have.
That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently.
But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked, I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years.
They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.
It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.
Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?
I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.
We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.
buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.
All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit.
They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade. Then sold them for a profit. You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.
If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion. Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.
However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.
Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense. Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea.
Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument?
I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value? The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them. Often at the expense of having a good team.
If Stockley is banging in goals for fun, there's every chance a Championship club could think that was exactly what they needed in January?
Silly money could talk, perhaps?
Especially a team recently relegated from the Prem, still with parachute money in their pocket. Whether we'd want to sell or even Stockley want to go, is another matter of course.
He's played a lot of Championship games and his record is not that good.
I think he'd have to do an awful lot to convince anyone he's worth another punt at that level.
To be fair Lyle Taylor's record wasn't great until he joined AFC Wimbledon and it improved even more with us.
Taylor was 27 years old when he joined us, there's absolutely no reason why Stockley can't replicate Taylor's goalscoring record at this level with the right service.
Give over. Stockley is not even half the player Taylor is/was. Taylor was much better on the floor than Stockley & only marginally worse in the air.
What, 4 goals in 39 apps and 3rd choice for a struggling side Taylor?
Said it before and I'll say it again - certain players simply fit certain systems/managers/supply. Change Sunderland's wingers last season and Wyke doesn't get 30 goals. Give Aneke the same time at Charlton statistically there's a good chance he doesn't get you 15 goals. Put Taylor against a better defence and he doesn't get you the same goals either. Charlton method and level suited Taylor well but he very clearly hasn't adapted to Championship life. Stockley didn't either, but that's the point - Taylor is no striking mastermind - great League One player but so is Stockley.
Completely agree, that wasn’t me saying Taylor is a bad player either just to clarify. He was brilliant for us.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well. We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
Anyone know how much a 3 bed semi is in Plymouth?
Its a massive issue and probably outways the "living in London" bonus.
House prices are going mental in the South West .... it seems half of London has decided to move to Cornwall and South Devon, dreaming of a better way of living.
Too true. I've been looking again recently and have noticed that prices are going up constantly. May have to reconsider and move to Norfolk instead.
I think this is a covid/lockdown/working from home phenomenon. I’m pretty sure there’ll be a readjustment over the next 24 months.
I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE. Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families. To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings. Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well? We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living. Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.
These players will be on £200k to £250k p.a. that easily gets them a mortgage of £800k to £1M if they're even seriously considering buying. Yes property prices are high in the SE London region but that sort of budget buys plenty to house a family If contracts are 3 years or less, they'll be looking to rent and the cost disparity there is much much smaller They've all got agents to help out with this sort of thing. Charlton also has the very best in player support in TJL There's a reason houses are pricier hereabouts than in unflushed sewers like Portsmouth, Crewe, Wigan, Ipswich, Peterborough Chislehurst or Southsea? Really FFS Dartford's a much nicer place to be than any of those mentioned If it's any real factor, housing costs are way down a long list of issues.
Ipswich and Peterborough are hardly unflushed sewers.
I was in Ipswich the other day (twice) - apart from the waterfront, which is merely humdrum, it's pretty fucking bleak, and Peterborough has won I Live Here's Worst English Town award three years running
I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening.
It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.
Being in the Championship helps. A lot.
They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.
That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.
Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years.
But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have.
That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently.
But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked, I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years.
They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.
It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.
Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?
I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.
We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.
buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.
All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit.
They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade. Then sold them for a profit. You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.
If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion. Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.
However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.
Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense. Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea.
Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument?
I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value? The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them. Often at the expense of having a good team.
If Stockley is banging in goals for fun, there's every chance a Championship club could think that was exactly what they needed in January?
Silly money could talk, perhaps?
Especially a team recently relegated from the Prem, still with parachute money in their pocket. Whether we'd want to sell or even Stockley want to go, is another matter of course.
He's played a lot of Championship games and his record is not that good.
I think he'd have to do an awful lot to convince anyone he's worth another punt at that level.
To be fair Lyle Taylor's record wasn't great until he joined AFC Wimbledon and it improved even more with us.
Taylor was 27 years old when he joined us, there's absolutely no reason why Stockley can't replicate Taylor's goalscoring record at this level with the right service.
Give over. Stockley is not even half the player Taylor is/was. Taylor was much better on the floor than Stockley & only marginally worse in the air.
You've completely managed to miss my point which wasn't about who is the better of the two but that Stockley joined us at the same age Taylor did and if Stockley scores 20+ goals this season which isn't impossible there's no reason why he can't attract £4m bids from Championship teams either.
Any championship club that pays 4 million in any environment, let alone the current one, wants to give their head a serious wobble and book in the the Derby County club.
Wish you lot would pack it in moaning for 5 minutes. What's the use comparing our current squad to that of 2/3 years ago? Stockley wants to play for us, there's a fucking key stat for you. Did I just see someone say stockleys marginally better in the air that Taylor, have a day off! 🤣🤣🤣
I saw over 100 new posts so thought (stupidly) that there were some decent rumours...but no just more fucking nonsense about Taylor, Peterborough and other stuff, when will I learn not to look at this thread!
Just passing new eltham station now - nothing to report other than that Chelsea chap whose name escapes me - ex Chelsea and palace - winger type of bloke with dreads who was rumoured - he’s not here
There is a rumour that we have fucked up this transfer window. It is only a rumour but rumour breeds rumour and if you hear a rumour that makes you think that there are more rumours out there, then the previous few rumours, rumoured to have been rumoured will then be considered more than just rumours...
We do really need to get over this Taylor bollocks, the blokes whilst playing for us was an idol and adored by many. But he fucked us and himself over by being greedy and abnoixous prick.
Compare him to Pearce, who travelled alone to Hull and scored the winner day after his missus gave birth.
No need to compare Stockley and Taylor both different players in a different system under different manager, both would thrive in different scenarios.
We have what we have, and whilst more is nice, we need to appreciate what we do have.
Rapidly approaching the second of the four "time to judge the transfer activity" milestones.
1 When training restarted B- Good signings but not many of them.
2 When the season starts C
Good signings but not nearly enough of them (assuming we don't sign any more this week. If we do might be a C+ or even a B- depending on who and how many
May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.
May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.
May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.
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(Obviously the former)
Compare him to Pearce, who travelled alone to Hull and scored the winner day after his missus gave birth.
No need to compare Stockley and Taylor both different players in a different system under different manager, both would thrive in different scenarios.
We have what we have, and whilst more is nice, we need to appreciate what we do have.
1 When training restarted B-
Good signings but not many of them.
2 When the season starts C
Good signings but not nearly enough of them (assuming we don't sign any more this week. If we do might be a C+ or even a B- depending on who and how many
3 When the window closes
Too early to say
4 When the season is over
Far too early to say