@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
I thought that one post which gave links to 122 other studies giving evidence of how the whole body can be affected should be shared with others
You cannot be unaware of the numerous posts that ask/suggest you allow people to make their own decisions on what they do or don't decide to research or, indeed, how they conduct their own behaviour with regard to all things Covid. No doubt you will protest that you are simply imparting 'information' that you think will be beneficial to the subject which in itself might be of some virtue and which you are perfectly entitled to post, but it's the relentlessly, repetitious voluminous nature of it that becomes tiresome in the extreme.
To the point where he’s considered by many on here to be suffering from some kind of repetitive thought psychosis…..not sure if that’s the correct wording to describe his condition…..but I think you all know what I’m saying.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
Oh Christ, don’t encourage him.
Ive never encountered someone like thisnliterally tge polar opposite of the conspiracy theorist crowd.
Having lost my dad to lung cancer, if a vaccination became available I would take it. I recognise that this is a somewhat hypocritical position though, because as horrid a way to go as cancer is I think that everyone has to go sometime and perhaps the last thing the planet needs is a load of comparatively well off westerners living for years longer than their natural term. If I were going to give to a cancer charity I'd rather give to MacMillan who from what I've see specialise in practical help and palliative care rather than Cancer UK who seem focussed on cures. I'd rather see funding put into improving quality of life than extending it. For me the greater good would be served by curing arthritis (currently 10 million cases in the UK alone) and other physical and mental conditions that can blight people's lives for decades. That doesn't mean that I am unsympathetic to people who have cancer, I just think that there should perhaps be other priorities.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
Thats great answer to a question im not asking, ill try again what do YOU specially wish to see in place ? What measures should people take in everyday life ?
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
I think you make a lot of good points, however if it's people over 85 who are most likely to be hospitalised, maybe the focus for compulsory air filtration should be shops, public buildings, doctors surgeries and hospitals rather than schools. NB, I say this without having a clue what the regulations are like for any of those building types.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
Thats great answer to a question im not asking, ill try again what do YOU specially wish to see in place ? What measures should people take in everyday life ?
Sorry I thought it was clear what I want to happen. I want people to not go out when they are unwell. There are still tests so if they really must go out, then take a test.
I also want to see a recognition of the benefits of cleaner air in public places. Someone referred to the cost of doing this, but the costs of not doing so may be greater in the long run.
I also want Governments and the media to be more open and honest about the long term effects that Covid can have on the body. These effects are many and varied and are already costing the UK economy a lot of money.
I want there to be a widespread recognition that living with Covid does mean that some changes need to be made. There are things that can be done without the restrictions of the earlier pandemic years.
Covid IS here to stay and will cause a lot more long term illness if we continue to let it spread with no thought for others.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
I think you make a lot of good points, however if it's people over 85 who are most likely to be hospitalised, maybe the focus for compulsory air filtration should be shops, public buildings, doctors surgeries and hospitals rather than schools. NB, I say this without having a clue what the regulations are like for any of those building types.
It isn't just the symptoms of an infection that is the main problem for children, it's the long term consequences of the infection, they aren't immune to suffering from Long Covid, that's why there is a call for cleaner air in schools. Protecting the health of children should be a top priority. We could be condemning them to a lifetime of ill health by allowing them to have multiple infections.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Or perhaps they saw the absolutely devastating impact of removing people from society for extended periods of time and changed their mind?
or are only you capable of changing your mind, like you’re the only one capable of using Google.
Having lost my dad to lung cancer, if a vaccination became available I would take it. I recognise that this is a somewhat hypocritical position though, because as horrid a way to go as cancer is I think that everyone has to go sometime and perhaps the last thing the planet needs is a load of comparatively well off westerners living for years longer than their natural term. If I were going to give to a cancer charity I'd rather give to MacMillan who from what I've see specialise in practical help and palliative care rather than Cancer UK who seem focussed on cures. I'd rather see funding put into improving quality of life than extending it. For me the greater good would be served by curing arthritis (currently 10 million cases in the UK alone) and other physical and mental conditions that can blight people's lives for decades. That doesn't mean that I am unsympathetic to people who have cancer, I just think that there should perhaps be other priorities.
This is an interesting post I think. From my perspective finding better treatments for cancer is paramount. Cancer is actually 200 plus different diseases grouped under the term. Cures look to me to be a long way off and will probably involve gene manipulation which is way down the track, but there are treatment breakthroughs for various cancers all the time. Not all cancers are a death sentence though so just like with other debilitating diseases like arthritis, very often people are living with unpleasant and life restricting symptoms for years. One in two of us are likely to have a diagnosis of cancer over our lifetime so for me finding better ways to treat and seek cures is about as important as it gets. An interesting discussion though. I wonder if we collectively as a world spent as much money on finding treatments and cures for all diseases as we do on killing one another just where we might be in terms of healthier and better lives.
@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?
During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.
Or perhaps they saw the absolutely devastating impact of removing people from society for extended periods of time and changed their mind?
or are only you capable of changing your mind, like you’re the only one capable of using Google.
There is plenty of evidence of the harm to children's future health from Covid infection. Preventing one child from going to school for a few days might prevent 20 others from becoming infected, to me that is a no brainer.
We have the tools to make schools and other public places safer by filtering the air we breathe. The cost to the economy of doing nothing may be greater than actually putting these systems in place.
There is an article on Sky News today about planning for the next epidemic, which could come at any time. Putting in measures to reduce infection now may well prevent the 'lockdowns' we saw in the early days of the recent pandemic, surely that's a good thing?
We've been lucky so far in that the mutation of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has resulted in milder infections. It is not a given that the trend will continue.
With climate change and human encroachment into habitats of other species, it makes it far more likely that a new virus will jump species resulting in a new pandemic.
The following is taken from the second link, though the whole article explains a lot more as it explains the cumulative risk of having successive infections.
Asked whether the recent drop in MMR vaccines and the measles outbreak in the West Midlands are solely the result of anti-vax groups, he admits there has been "some outright anti-vax sentiment" around MMR that has had an impact, particularly on social media.
But he stresses that addressing "missed opportunities" to use community leaders to engage with disenfranchised groups is just as important in reversing the problem.
Prof Griffin says the delayed decision to vaccinate five to 11-year-olds in 2022 was bad for jab rates, alongside the then-health secretary Sajid Javid's description of the programme as "non-urgent". Data shows only around 10% of under-12s had a single dose.
"The dithering and indecision around the benefits for vaccinating children was pretty damaging in the sense that if you look at uptake in younger groups, it's appalling," Prof Griffin adds.
Primary courses of the vaccine are also no longer universally available for all age groups, aside from the clinically vulnerable and people who live with them.
"So children turning five after September 2022 have to wait until they're in their 60s to have a vaccine, unless they become clinically vulnerable," Prof Griffin says.
"The idea that repeated infections are a preferable means of generating population immunity to vaccines, especially in children, is a dangerous nonsense."
I'm not sure what you are getting at with your final sentence, but I do believe that the vast majority of people are completely unaware of the ongoing risks of Covid infection as it is mostly referred to in the past tense.
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Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.
There was a feature on BBC News today about the increase in TB which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.
Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.
The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid, showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe.
Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.
I also want to see a recognition of the benefits of cleaner air in public places. Someone referred to the cost of doing this, but the costs of not doing so may be greater in the long run.
I also want Governments and the media to be more open and honest about the long term effects that Covid can have on the body. These effects are many and varied and are already costing the UK economy a lot of money.
I want there to be a widespread recognition that living with Covid does mean that some changes need to be made. There are things that can be done without the restrictions of the earlier pandemic years.
Covid IS here to stay and will cause a lot more long term illness if we continue to let it spread with no thought for others.
or are only you capable of changing your mind, like you’re the only one capable of using Google.
We have the tools to make schools and other public places safer by filtering the air we breathe. The cost to the economy of doing nothing may be greater than actually putting these systems in place.
There is an article on Sky News today about planning for the next epidemic, which could come at any time. Putting in measures to reduce infection now may well prevent the 'lockdowns' we saw in the early days of the recent pandemic, surely that's a good thing?
We've been lucky so far in that the mutation of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has resulted in milder infections. It is not a given that the trend will continue.
With climate change and human encroachment into habitats of other species, it makes it far more likely that a new virus will jump species resulting in a new pandemic.
https://news.sky.com/story/next-pandemic-is-around-the-corner-expert-warns-but-would-lockdown-ever-happen-again-13097693
The following is taken from the second link, though the whole article explains a lot more as it explains the cumulative risk of having successive infections.
Asked whether the recent drop in MMR vaccines and the measles outbreak in the West Midlands are solely the result of anti-vax groups, he admits there has been "some outright anti-vax sentiment" around MMR that has had an impact, particularly on social media.
But he stresses that addressing "missed opportunities" to use community leaders to engage with disenfranchised groups is just as important in reversing the problem.
Prof Griffin says the delayed decision to vaccinate five to 11-year-olds in 2022 was bad for jab rates, alongside the then-health secretary Sajid Javid's description of the programme as "non-urgent". Data shows only around 10% of under-12s had a single dose.
"The dithering and indecision around the benefits for vaccinating children was pretty damaging in the sense that if you look at uptake in younger groups, it's appalling," Prof Griffin adds.
Primary courses of the vaccine are also no longer universally available for all age groups, aside from the clinically vulnerable and people who live with them.
"So children turning five after September 2022 have to wait until they're in their 60s to have a vaccine, unless they become clinically vulnerable," Prof Griffin says.
"The idea that repeated infections are a preferable means of generating population immunity to vaccines, especially in children, is a dangerous nonsense."
https://news.sky.com/story/the-virus-is-still-evolving-at-an-incredible-rate-how-widespread-is-covid-now-and-how-many-people-are-dying-with-it-13059424?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
I'm not sure what you are getting at with your final sentence, but I do believe that the vast majority of people are completely unaware of the ongoing risks of Covid infection as it is mostly referred to in the past tense.