Have to feel for the supporters,as always,like us,they are the innocent party in all this,and are powerless to watch their club implode chasing impossible dreams.They must have players earning totally unrealistic wages,those players and the people who agreed those wages must have known the situation,so no sympathy there.I hope they stay in business,but a drop to div.2 might just be the wake up call lower football needs,I cannot help but feel this is the tip of the iceberg.Even at top level,how can mediocre players,like De Gea,Aubamyang,warrant wages of £300k a week plus,someone has to have the balls to say no.
Equating De Gea's salary to the problems at Wednesday is part of the problem.
One club can afford it, one clearly can't. Comparing the salaries of top players at top clubs to championship, league 1 or even lower level Premier League players is a wrong comparison. It's like an extra in a channel 5 drama negotiating based on what the Rock earns.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Very dramatic, but what is the owner going to do with an empty stand in an area with little value. It was the selling of the ground for such a huge amount that raised so many eyebrows. I also think he effectively sold the ground to himself. Just read that the Club sold the ground to Chansiri for £60m, making a profit of £38m.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Didn't the owner sell Hillsborough to himself? It is hard to keep up!
I always have sympathy with fans in these situations, no club gets to choose their owner as we know more than most. The nature of being a supporter means that you get behind the owner and hope they have the best intentions for your club until proven otherwise. In our case I'd say 99% of our fan-base got behind ESI and continued to do so until it became clear they were not fit and proper custodians of our club.
I live near Sheffield and know a few fans. Not one of them had an issue with anything the owner was doing whilst he was pumping money into the club for repeated play off pushes, including selling the stadium to himself. Once the money tap was turned off and they started slipping down the league it then suddenly became an issue. You can pretty much copy and paste that scenario for Derby as well who are also relatively near me.
I distinctively remember after the ESL shenanigans the big protest Man United fans held about the ownership of the club and how change was needed. I remember Gary Neville slating the Glazers and how new ownership was required. The week after on Sky transfer targets were being discussed Gary stated a good way of owners getting fans on side would be to go out and spend the hundreds of millions required to get Kane and Sancho. It's like those neglectful parents who don't see their kids all year but get them a big birthday present now and again to try and compensate, spending a few quid when the pressure is on does not make you a good custodian.
The reason I love this football club isn't just success. After the last decade or so if my love was purely based around on-field success I'd have left long ago. I love the club because of it's fan-base like no other, over the years we've had our fair share of pretty significant off the field issues and always united and found a way of over-coming the odds. I love the work the club does off the field, such as the Upbeats. I love the family feel of the club and knowing I can not go to a game for 6 months and yet when I do get to go down it feels like I've never been away.
Is it nice to have success? Of course it is. I'd absolutely love for TS to get us into the Premier League in the next 5 years, however if it came at the cost of risking everything to get there then no thanks. I'd rather the club was ran on a sustainable footing for the next 20 years than us risking it all in the next 5 years and ending up on the brink. I believe it was Villa who were heading for administration if they'd lost the last play off final, some may say the gamble paid off for them however I just can't get behind that logic of literally risking the future of a football club on the kick of a ball.
The play off final was one of my best moments supporting this club, shortly after my daughter was born and hopefully I'll be able to share moments like that with her in the future. There are to many owners who are happy risking the long term future of their clubs, and potentially depriving fans of those moments, for instant success and there needs to be some checks and balances in place to stop owners risking it all. Does anyone think the Sheff Wed owner will care if the club folds? He'll be over it in 6 months whereas there'll be thousands of fans robbed of the club they've supported their whole life.
I don't necessarily know what the answer is but something needs to be done before another Bury happens.
What amazes me is that 1.4% of Wednesday fans still back the owner. This seems to be that case in so many things in modern life. Were do these people come from when they can take delusion to these sort of levels?
I always remember when we were relegated from the Premier league in 1999 in the last game of the season against the massives how their supporters cheered and went wild as the other results came in and it was clear we were going down.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
Classic football fan lack of self awareness. There would be all sorts of moral and logical gymnastics being performed on here if it was us.
It was us, not all that long ago. We responded by doing what we could to make life difficult for the owners who were risking the future of the club. If Wednesday fans do something similar, I'm sure they will get the same sort of solidarity from other clubs that we did, and Blackpool did.
I remember that feeling of horror as I came to realise that we might actually go bust. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, still less what ended up happening to Bury. But fans do need to work out for themselves that the owners aren't necessarily acting in the club's best interests.
Classic football fan lack of self awareness. There would be all sorts of moral and logical gymnastics being performed on here if it was us.
It was us, not all that long ago. We responded by doing what we could to make life difficult for the owners who were risking the future of the club. If Wednesday fans do something similar, I'm sure they will get the same sort of solidarity from other clubs that we did, and Blackpool did.
I remember that feeling of horror as I came to realise that we might actually go bust. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, still less what ended up happening to Bury. But fans do need to work out for themselves that the owners aren't necessarily acting in the club's best interests.
That’s not what I’m talking about. My comment relates to posters on Owlstalk who were happy to go along with cheats and criminals and turn a blind eye if they thought it would bring success.
I always remember when we were relegated from the Premier league in 1999 in the last game of the season against the massives how their supporters cheered and went wild as the other results came in and it was clear we were going down.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
I know it's Palace so it's very different, but the irony of your forum name and that comment is brilliant.
I always remember when we were relegated from the Premier league in 1999 in the last game of the season against the massives how their supporters cheered and went wild as the other results came in and it was clear we were going down.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
I hear this it a lot, so it must have happened, but from my seat in the JS Stand I didn’t see or hear any of that and at the final whistle a large group came over to applaud us. I was the last seat in the row before the away fans.
I would never wish complete catastrophe on any club (except perhaps one from Croydon), but I can’t help feeling Sheffield Wednsday deserve a bit of their current troubles. They tried to cheat their way through financial games to get an unfair advantage on their rivals and received a late and derisory punishment, directly affecting us. I hope they lose all of their good players and we manage to bag a few for free and I hope they fail next season and have a spell in league two. I know I might sound like a vindictive old bastard, and probably am, but I’m comfortable with that.
Their players haven’t been paid for two months, and if they are not paid within the next 14 days the players can terminate their contracts and walk away.
Also it is believed that they are under a transfer embargo.
So if the players do leave they would struggle to even field a team at the start of the season.
The fans are owed money from last years season tickets, and basically Wednesday are skint. They haven’t got a pot to piss in.
The cheating bastards are getting their just desserts.
And if the players walk, that'll be just desert(ion)s, too.
I always remember when we were relegated from the Premier league in 1999 in the last game of the season against the massives how their supporters cheered and went wild as the other results came in and it was clear we were going down.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
I know it's Palace so it's very different, but the irony of your forum name and that comment is brilliant.
LOL! Fair comment!
All I can say in my defence is it is a bit different relegating your local rivals only a few years after they would quite happily have put us out of business than relegating some random team that you have had few runs in with in previous years. (Unless they were still smarting from an FA Cup tie back in the 70s!)
I always remember when we were relegated from the Premier league in 1999 in the last game of the season against the massives how their supporters cheered and went wild as the other results came in and it was clear we were going down.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
I hear this it a lot, so it must have happened, but from my seat in the JS Stand I didn’t see or hear any of that and at the final whistle a large group came over to applaud us. I was the last seat in the row before the away fans.
All I can say is I remember it as clearly as anything all these years later. Maybe it wasn't at the final whistle - it may well have been when the Southampton score started coming in during the second half.
2 pages of comments based on wild speculation from a "source". Nothing confirmed anywhere as far as I can see. I expect this will be a storm in a tea cup, wages will be paid & they will get out of trouble.
2 pages of comments based on wild speculation from a "source". Nothing confirmed anywhere as far as I can see. I expect this will be a storm in a tea cup, wages will be paid & they will get out of trouble.
Depends on your definition of "out of trouble" as they MIGHT pay the wages and keep hold of some of the players but they can't afford to run at those levels in League One and the owner is either incompetent, broke or both.
They are still very much in trouble regardless of how this particular situation resolves.
Have to feel for the supporters,as always,like us,they are the innocent party in all this,and are powerless to watch their club implode chasing impossible dreams.They must have players earning totally unrealistic wages,those players and the people who agreed those wages must have known the situation,so no sympathy there.I hope they stay in business,but a drop to div.2 might just be the wake up call lower football needs,I cannot help but feel this is the tip of the iceberg.Even at top level,how can mediocre players,like De Gea,Aubamyang,warrant wages of £300k a week plus,someone has to have the balls to say no.
Equating De Gea's salary to the problems at Wednesday is part of the problem.
One club can afford it, one clearly can't. Comparing the salaries of top players at top clubs to championship, league 1 or even lower level Premier League players is a wrong comparison. It's like an extra in a channel 5 drama negotiating based on what the Rock earns.
It wasnt meant to be a comparison as such,my point is that clubs just will not stand up to players and agents and nearly always give in.Are Arsenal and Man utd. getting value for money,most certainly not.The problem then descends to the lower leagues,Rooney 80k a week,10m transfer fee for Beilic at Derby.Fletcher was on a reported 20k a week at Wednesday,I bet a lot of the others are not far off,Taylor at Forest,Reported 20k week,for what,and so the situation goes on.I wonder how many players being sought after by us will think that we now have a few bob and try it on.Somehow clubs at all levels have to start saying,that is what we can afford,take it or leave it.(I shudder to think what Harry Kane will be after)
If we are trying to progress the argument that some of their fans are ****s then no doubt they are. The same applies to us though and every other club.
If we are trying to progress the argument that some of their fans are ****s then no doubt they are. The same applies to us though and every other club.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Weds could always groundshare at Sheffield Utd.
The ultimate humiliation for them.
I nearly suggested that myself, then the haunted memories of driving over to Croydon every other Saturday engulfed me.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Weds could always groundshare at Sheffield Utd.
The ultimate humiliation for them.
I nearly suggested that myself, then the haunted memories of driving over to Croydon every other Saturday engulfed me.
When we got relegated from the championship in 2009 when we were already down I think last game of the season we beat Norwich 4-0 or something stupid and they went down at our ground and plenty of our fans were jubilant at that just the same as Wednesday fans were at us in 1999 . Anyone know of any bitter Norwich fans towards us . I don’t see this hatred against Sheff Wed unless you took a slap from their fans way back when .
Of course their owners a Cnut and it’s fcuked em big time and their financially shenanigans of a season earlier to our relegation (obviously with follow through in to our relegation season ) may have benefitted us just like the clown ownership at Wigan nearly did . we went down with prick owners and a transfer embargo and so have they .
if the demise was palace or scum i could understand it but a team 180 miles away nah not having it obviously everyone has their own views so crack on but I’ve never minded Wednesday but I’m easily swayed by a massive away support !!
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Very dramatic, but what is the owner going to do with an empty stand in an area with little value. It was the selling of the ground for such a huge amount that raised so many eyebrows. I also think he effectively sold the ground to himself. Just read that the Club sold the ground to Chansiri for £60m, making a profit of £38m.
From what i've read he took a loan out to pay for the ground and a 7m payment is due in September. So if it doesn't get paid the fear is that the investment fund/whoever lent him the money can then claim the ground. All very dramatic as you say, but if Chansiri can't pay their wages how's he getting 7m to pay for the ground repayment?
There's even a thread on their forum about where they will play if they're kicked out of Hillsborough. I'm sure it won't come to that but it does show you how bad things have got there.
Massive bill on the new lease for the stadium due in September and Chansiri told all the players if they got relegated, then their salaries would be halved and if they don't like it they can leave.
Read something on Owlstalk that said if they don't pay 7m in September then whoever they owe the money to can kick them out of Hillsborough.
Very dramatic, but what is the owner going to do with an empty stand in an area with little value. It was the selling of the ground for such a huge amount that raised so many eyebrows. I also think he effectively sold the ground to himself. Just read that the Club sold the ground to Chansiri for £60m, making a profit of £38m.
From what i've read he took a loan out to pay for the ground and a 7m payment is due in September. So if it doesn't get paid the fear is that the investment fund/whoever lent him the money can then claim the ground. All very dramatic as you say, but if Chansiri can't pay their wages how's he getting 7m to pay for the ground repayment?
There's even a thread on their forum about where they will play if they're kicked out of Hillsborough. I'm sure it won't come to that but it does show you how bad things have got there.
And I remember some of their fans giving me pelters on Twitter when I pointed how incompetent Meire was.
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One club can afford it, one clearly can't. Comparing the salaries of top players at top clubs to championship, league 1 or even lower level Premier League players is a wrong comparison. It's like an extra in a channel 5 drama negotiating based on what the Rock earns.
It was the selling of the ground for such a huge amount that raised so many eyebrows.
I also think he effectively sold the ground to himself.
Just read that the Club sold the ground to Chansiri for £60m, making a profit of £38m.
It would deny me the pleasure of seeing their ten-year struggle in the Third Division ...
... of the Sheffield & Hallamshire League.
I live near Sheffield and know a few fans. Not one of them had an issue with anything the owner was doing whilst he was pumping money into the club for repeated play off pushes, including selling the stadium to himself. Once the money tap was turned off and they started slipping down the league it then suddenly became an issue. You can pretty much copy and paste that scenario for Derby as well who are also relatively near me.
I distinctively remember after the ESL shenanigans the big protest Man United fans held about the ownership of the club and how change was needed. I remember Gary Neville slating the Glazers and how new ownership was required. The week after on Sky transfer targets were being discussed Gary stated a good way of owners getting fans on side would be to go out and spend the hundreds of millions required to get Kane and Sancho. It's like those neglectful parents who don't see their kids all year but get them a big birthday present now and again to try and compensate, spending a few quid when the pressure is on does not make you a good custodian.
The reason I love this football club isn't just success. After the last decade or so if my love was purely based around on-field success I'd have left long ago. I love the club because of it's fan-base like no other, over the years we've had our fair share of pretty significant off the field issues and always united and found a way of over-coming the odds. I love the work the club does off the field, such as the Upbeats. I love the family feel of the club and knowing I can not go to a game for 6 months and yet when I do get to go down it feels like I've never been away.
Is it nice to have success? Of course it is. I'd absolutely love for TS to get us into the Premier League in the next 5 years, however if it came at the cost of risking everything to get there then no thanks. I'd rather the club was ran on a sustainable footing for the next 20 years than us risking it all in the next 5 years and ending up on the brink. I believe it was Villa who were heading for administration if they'd lost the last play off final, some may say the gamble paid off for them however I just can't get behind that logic of literally risking the future of a football club on the kick of a ball.
The play off final was one of my best moments supporting this club, shortly after my daughter was born and hopefully I'll be able to share moments like that with her in the future. There are to many owners who are happy risking the long term future of their clubs, and potentially depriving fans of those moments, for instant success and there needs to be some checks and balances in place to stop owners risking it all. Does anyone think the Sheff Wed owner will care if the club folds? He'll be over it in 6 months whereas there'll be thousands of fans robbed of the club they've supported their whole life.
I don't necessarily know what the answer is but something needs to be done before another Bury happens.
Why act like that?
I've disliked them intensely ever since that day and welcome seeing them struggle (although don't want them to go out of business).
I remember that feeling of horror as I came to realise that we might actually go bust. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, still less what ended up happening to Bury. But fans do need to work out for themselves that the owners aren't necessarily acting in the club's best interests.
Not so massive now
All I can say in my defence is it is a bit different relegating your local rivals only a few years after they would quite happily have put us out of business than relegating some random team that you have had few runs in with in previous years. (Unless they were still smarting from an FA Cup tie back in the 70s!)
They are still very much in trouble regardless of how this particular situation resolves.
The ultimate humiliation for them.
Anyone know of any bitter Norwich fans towards us .
I don’t see this hatred against Sheff Wed unless you took a slap from their fans way back when .
we went down with prick owners and a transfer embargo and so have they .
if the demise was palace or scum i could understand it but a team 180 miles away nah not having it
obviously everyone has their own views so crack on but I’ve never minded Wednesday but I’m easily swayed by a massive away support !!
There's even a thread on their forum about where they will play if they're kicked out of Hillsborough. I'm sure it won't come to that but it does show you how bad things have got there.