We are still awaiting EFL approval of the change in control of the club
but once that comes through we will be in a position to outline our
plans for the club and sit-down with fans to talk openly about our
intentions for Charlton Athletic.
Don't quite follow this. He/they could have "talked openly" about their "intentions for Charlton Athletic" on a conditional basis as soon as they bought the company that owns the football club. I don't think any of us are so stupid that we wouldn't realize that they would need to be approved by the FL before being able to do any of it (whatever "it" is).
One interpretation might be that there plans for the club will only be revealed once it is too late to take action against them. My assumption is that it will involve property deals and relocating (short term or even permanently).
Yes, it is a scam and they are playing for time, dutifully helped by the EFL's rules and tardiness. Do not under estimate these crooks they are exceptionally good at what they do. Farnell has been operating for years and years and no one has stopped him.
While it is fully understandable that no one trusts anyone at the moment,the fact is we have no alternatives.So before we slaughter Elliott,let us give it a little bit of time,there will be a turnover in playing staff very soon,see who comes and goes,judge at the outcome.
Absolutely correct, I appreciate and understand why there are so Many negative comments after what Roland Rat, And slimy RAT face Southall / ESI have done. I think Elliot could well be the real deal, providing The EFL Dickheads can make a sensible decision
Between them.
Out of interest, what is it that makes you think Elliot could be the real deal?
What has he actually done so far, or what is it about his past, that gives you that impression?
Paul Elliot is a very respectable and educated Business man. He is not a get rich quick crooked scumbag from The seedy part of Blackburn. Paul Elliot could Buy/sell and dissolve that Horrible suntanned Twat in 10 minutes.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
He is London born Some of His business interests are in the north West. If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map And back in the premiership one day I would. He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
Me.
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton Faithful but the inept EFL also.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
I can’t see a corporate vehicle he owns them through. All I can see is a property financed on an expensive bridging loan.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
I can’t see a corporate vehicle he owns them through. All I can see is a property financed on an expensive bridging loan.
From companies house, like it seems other people recently from Manchester, their companies aren't linked by their own name/details. P Elliott is listed 3 separate times with a number of companies under each.
Despite that, does he have access to £20m for the EFL and £50m for RD?
While it is fully understandable that no one trusts anyone at the moment,the fact is we have no alternatives.So before we slaughter Elliott,let us give it a little bit of time,there will be a turnover in playing staff very soon,see who comes and goes,judge at the outcome.
Absolutely correct, I appreciate and understand why there are so Many negative comments after what Roland Rat, And slimy RAT face Southall / ESI have done. I think Elliot could well be the real deal, providing The EFL Dickheads can make a sensible decision
Between them.
Out of interest, what is it that makes you think Elliot could be the real deal?
What has he actually done so far, or what is it about his past, that gives you that impression?
Paul Elliot is a very respectable and educated Business man. He is not a get rich quick crooked scumbag from The seedy part of Blackburn. Paul Elliot could Buy/sell and dissolve that Horrible suntanned Twat in 10 minutes.
Well, all that sounds very encouraging. But is there any evidence of this?
If you could point us in the right direction then I'm sure it would put a lot of our minds at ease.
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Can you provide evidence of this large portfolio of properties?
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
He is London born Some of His business interests are in the north West. If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map And back in the premiership one day I would. He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
Me.
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton Faithful but the inept EFL also.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
He is London born Some of His business interests are in the north West. If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map And back in the premiership one day I would. He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
Me.
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton Faithful but the inept EFL also.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
He is London born Some of His business interests are in the north West. If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map And back in the premiership one day I would. He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
Me.
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton Faithful but the inept EFL also.
It seems that the EFL have given him 6 weeks to "prove his intregrity"........how much longer do you think we should all wait...??
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
He may well have failed it already.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
You don't think the EFL should alert the fans that the new owners haven't got eniugb money to support the club going forward ?? The very fans who will be very shortly shelling out hundreds of pounds on new season tickets, new club shirts & other merchandise......that the new owners can just pocket & then run off.
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
He may well have failed it already.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
You don't think the EFL should alert the fans that the new owners haven't got eniugb money to support the club going forward ?? The very fans who will be very shortly shelling out hundreds of pounds on new season tickets, new club shirts & other merchandise......that the new owners can just pocket & then run off.
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
He may well have failed it already.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
You don't think the EFL should alert the fans that the new owners haven't got eniugb money to support the club going forward ?? The very fans who will be very shortly shelling out hundreds of pounds on new season tickets, new club shirts & other merchandise......that the new owners can just pocket & then run off.
Very weird thinking.
But sadly probably true. They idly sat by silently and let that prick string many of us along publicly on twitter with the supa dupa transfer phone cringefest in the full knowledge we were under an embargo.
Any altruistic sense of duty to football fans would surely have seen a heads up come from the EFL thereafter.
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
He may well have failed it already.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
You don't think the EFL should alert the fans that the new owners haven't got eniugb money to support the club going forward ?? The very fans who will be very shortly shelling out hundreds of pounds on new season tickets, new club shirts & other merchandise......that the new owners can just pocket & then run off.
Very weird thinking.
But sadly probably true. They idly sat by silently and let that prick string many of us along publicly on twitter with the supa dupa transfer phone cringefest in the full knowledge we were under an embargo.
Any altruistic sense of duty to football fans would surely have seen a heads up come from the EFL thereafter.
Incompetent, disinterested and clueless.
They don't give a toss about fans.
Exactly my point.
It's.nothing to do with what I think. It's how the EFL actually operate!
Who told us that ESI failed the EFL test first time around?
Answer. Nobody. Certainly not the EFL.
No. They slapped a transfer embargo on them and went back to their sewer.
Harsh punishment indeed...for a shower that never had and intention to make any transfers in the first place! And the lack of transparency from the EFL to the fans allowed ESI the time to continue their pillage of the club's limited finances.
Farcical bordering on criminal from the EFL there... But that's how they roll.
All he has to do is pass the EFL tests. Why is it taking so long? We have been waiting for somebody from ESI to pass the tests since they took over. If that doesn't strike anybody as dodgy, nothing will. I know the EFL drag their feet but the delay suggests the fault is at our end. Why no public statement urging the EFL to hurry up with it?
He may well have failed it already.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
You don't think the EFL should alert the fans that the new owners haven't got eniugb money to support the club going forward ?? The very fans who will be very shortly shelling out hundreds of pounds on new season tickets, new club shirts & other merchandise......that the new owners can just pocket & then run off.
Very weird thinking.
But sadly probably true. They idly sat by silently and let that prick string many of us along publicly on twitter with the supa dupa transfer phone cringefest in the full knowledge we were under an embargo.
Any altruistic sense of duty to football fans would surely have seen a heads up come from the EFL thereafter.
Incompetent, disinterested and clueless.
They don't give a toss about fans.
Exactly my point.
It's.nothing to do with what I think. It's how the EFL actually operate!
Who told us that ESI failed the EFL test first time around?
Answer. Nobody. Certainly not the EFL.
No. They slapped a transfer embargo on them and went back to their sewer.
Harsh punishment indeed...for a shower that never had and intention to make any transfers in the first place! And the lack of transparency from the EFL to the fans allowed ESI the time to continue their pillage of the club's limited finances.
Farcical bordering on criminal from the EFL there... But that's how they roll.
So its time to make them accountable. They might think they are a "members" club.......but the "members" wouldn't exist without the fans.
Radical thought - how about we give PE the benefit of the doubt for now. It's not as though we are swimming in options right now.
Everyone is slagging him off for not saying anything - it seems there is something going on that he cannot yet speak about. He gives a few tidbits and everyone is slagging him off.
Right now we need the EFL to sort their shit out - absolutely critical. And then we need to start looking at next season - the management, the squad etc. If someone doesn't want to be in League 1 then so be it - goodbye and thanks. But we don't have time to dwell.
I know several people who have met PE now and nobody had a bad word to say. I quote "he came in to the office and stopped at everyone's desk, spoke to them and asked how they were and what their role at the club is. He seems a genuine nice bloke." In comparison the same person said of Southall "He would march in, ignore everyone and demand a cup of tea".
I dare say I'll get grief from the usual suspects on here and get labelled an apologist once again (like when I said of Roland "it may be better the devil you know") but so be it. Sometimes there is so much misinformation spread it distorts peoples views of what is really happening.
I regard the statement as a step in the right direction but now is the time for actions and not just fluffy words
All the best grifters have the likeability factor. That’s not to say he *is* a grifter, but the fact than he can charm people does not prove he’s legit, unfortunately. I wish it did.
Paul Elliot is not a grifter. He owns hundreds of serious commercial Properties all over the Northwest of the UK. I would be totally amazed if he is not Legit !
Grifter or not, why would a property man from Manchester buy a London football club, have to show proof of funds for circa £20m and also sign up to pay RD £50m in a little over 4 years?
He is London born Some of His business interests are in the north West. If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map And back in the premiership one day I would. He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
Me.
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton Faithful but the inept EFL also.
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:They idly sat by silently and let that prick string many of us along publicly on twitter with the supa dupa transfer phone cringefest in the full knowledge we were under an embargo.
as I read that I think back to Lee Bowyer saying Paul Ellliott seems a nice bloke ...
as a manager he has to play a different game to reality because he was unwillingly a part of that shitfest of a January window as we were fed bullshit by mouthall and bowyer kept quiet so bowyers words/actions to me have always been guarded but he does drop his guard and you get the “strange” comment or the look when mouthall mentioned a 5 year contract for him in the press conference or him recently mentioning the crap going on behind the scenes he’s had to deal with .
Comments
Business man.
He is not a get rich quick crooked scumbag from
The seedy part of Blackburn.
Paul Elliot could Buy/sell and dissolve that
Horrible suntanned Twat in 10 minutes.
Some of His business interests are in the north
West.
If I could afford to put Charlton back on the map
And back in the premiership one day I would.
He certainly could with his contacts.
If I am wrong I am certain many on this forum will
Delight in pointing their fingers and slaughtering
I honestly think Paul Elliot needs a chance
To prove his integrity not just from the Charlton
Faithful but the inept EFL also.
So ? 😂😂😂😂
Only 1 properly?
and a Bridging Loan?
No you got this all wrong.
Despite that, does he have access to £20m for the EFL and £50m for RD?
If you could point us in the right direction then I'm sure it would put a lot of our minds at ease.
It's not up to the EFL to tell us.
Very weird thinking.
Any altruistic sense of duty to football fans would surely have seen a heads up come from the EFL thereafter.
Incompetent, disinterested and clueless.
They don't give a toss about fans.
It's.nothing to do with what I think. It's how the EFL actually operate!
Who told us that ESI failed the EFL test first time around?
Answer. Nobody.
Certainly not the EFL.
No. They slapped a transfer embargo on them and went back to their sewer.
Harsh punishment indeed...for a shower that never had and intention to make any transfers in the first place!
And the lack of transparency from the EFL to the fans allowed ESI the time to continue their pillage of the club's limited finances.
Farcical bordering on criminal from the EFL there... But that's how they roll.
as a manager he has to play a different game to reality because he was unwillingly a part of that shitfest of a January window as we were fed bullshit by mouthall and bowyer kept quiet
so bowyers words/actions to me have always been guarded but he does drop his guard and you get the “strange” comment or the look when mouthall mentioned a 5 year contract for him in the press conference or him recently mentioning the crap going on behind the scenes he’s had to deal with .