I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
I watched it and never heard that. Roughly when did he say that?
its all eerily quiet on the Wigan/Sheff Wed/Derby front, i am interested if they decide to penalise Wigan again next season if they avoid the drop as originally implied? Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
I watched it and never heard that. Roughly when did he say that?
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
You forgot, Leeds - 10 for The Leko incident. If lyle signs for championship club--15 for being arse holes.
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
I watched it and never heard that. Roughly when did he say that?
After their match when talking to Stephen Warnock. I had to rewind it to be sure it was what he said.
"...there is a massive difference in central solidarity payments between the £4.5m Championship clubs receive annually and the £700,000 League One clubs receive, so staying up is important financially."
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
You forgot, Leeds - 10 for The Leko incident. If lyle signs for championship club--15 for being arse holes.
At this rate we'll be in the Premier League next season.
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
I watched it and never heard that. Roughly when did he say that?
After their match when talking to Stephen Warnock. I had to rewind it to be sure it was what he said.
He said re the 12 points, "I don't think it's gonna be just that".
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Could have been referring to that?
But that can't take place before next season, cos there's no way even a competent and diligent authority* could verify New Wigan's expenditure before it's happened. *this obviously excludes the preposterous whores at EFL
its all eerily quiet on the Wigan/Sheff Wed/Derby front, i am interested if they decide to penalise Wigan again next season if they avoid the drop as originally implied? Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
not gonna happen EFL has not one scintilla of care for their own rightful conduct they expect the rest of us to just suck it up whenever they see fit to let the cheating scum off with nothing more than a stern look - see Birmingham last season
its all eerily quiet on the Wigan/Sheff Wed/Derby front, i am interested if they decide to penalise Wigan again next season if they avoid the drop as originally implied? Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
As much as I think the EFL are incompetent they do at least follow their own rules. Go into administration and you are deducted 12 points at the end of the season in question. If you happen to be already relegated then that 12 points is deducted the following season. If you finish outside the bottom 3 then the 12 points are deducted after the regular 46 games.......if that then means you are relegated then hard cheese, down you go.
It is really rather simple. Wigan will not be deducted 12 points next season if they happen to win their next 2 games & stay up, even after being deducted 12 points next Wednesday evening.
its all eerily quiet on the Wigan/Sheff Wed/Derby front, i am interested if they decide to penalise Wigan again next season if they avoid the drop as originally implied? Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
As much as I think the EFL are incompetent they do at least follow their own rules. Go into administration and you are deducted 12 points at the end of the season in question. If you happen to be already relegated then that 12 points is deducted the following season. If you finish outside the bottom 3 then the 12 points are deducted after the regular 46 games.......if that then means you are relegated then hard cheese, down you go.
It is really rather simple. Wigan will not be deducted 12 points next season if they happen to win their next 2 games & stay up, even after being deducted 12 points next Wednesday evening.
Yeah, I believe this is right - golfie corrected me on this a few days ago. However, I think the system is set up wrongly.
I would maintain that deductions administered during a season should only be applied to that season if they have some meaningful effect on final position. If not, they should be applied at the beginning of the following season.
In other words, if your deduction takes you from: Automatic promotion to playoffs Playoffs to midtable or Midtable to relegation then it should be applied immediately, otherwise it should apply at the beginning of the following season.
In my view, it’s not right that decisions on the scale of punishments are made when some of the season has already played out and the realistic effect can already be seen. If points are deducted at the beginning of a season and end up having no effect, so be it - at least it’s been applied fairly.
Just for some context, if my suggestion were applied last year, then Birmingham would be in deep shit this season. (A situation about which I’m still angry and still don’t understand why more people aren’t also angry.)
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Could have been referring to that?
Surely all this is too late now, and unless a decision is reached in the next few days then any further deduction beyond the initial 12 would have to be next season.
I've just caught up with last night's Quest Championship action. Colin Murray seemed to be implying that Wigan's points deduction may be increased. Anyone know anything about this? Hadn't heard that any appeal could be ruled frivolous and increased before.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Could have been referring to that?
Surely all this is too late now, and unless a decision is reached in the next few days then any further deduction beyond the initial 12 would have to be next season.
I really cannot see any situation where the result of their appeal will not be announced before the relegation places are decided, or that they will have more points deducted than the 12. Hopefully nothing less. I think the possibility of the further points is a great idea if it means that new owners can’t ignore all the businesses that were owed money by the old company.
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
Charlton deducted 15 points for being shit.
But this was only decided almost right at the very last few moments before the season ended after we appeared to be safe
Luton - 5 point deduction for having the worst away end in the division Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
Charlton deducted 15 points for being shit.
Technically this has happened with injury time goals conceded
its all eerily quiet on the Wigan/Sheff Wed/Derby front, i am interested if they decide to penalise Wigan again next season if they avoid the drop as originally implied? Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
I agree mate. If you know for sure what Sheff Weds Wigan and Derby are going to be hit with then it gives everyone else a chance and plan for certain games. ie you could be going into the next 2 games thinking 2 draws will do, then find out it is not enough.
Wigan will survive in the Champ despite the 12 point deduction.
We will be relegated, and then go into administration.
Happy days.
I know, but I don;t see how we can avoid admin if we go down. The only asset we have to offer to investors since the ground was magicked from under us is our championship status. Wigan will have investors if they stay up. I fear that this club and its 115 yr long place in the local community will be gone soon as a direct result of RDs ability to manipulate the weakness of the EFL.
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Roughly when did he say that?
Also nothing is concrete for us at the bottom so these are big factors, we need to do our bit obviously but it would be nice to know going into the last game /2 asap what is required.
"In addition, Wigan are facing a further points deduction of up to 15 points should any new owner fail to pay 25% of the money owed to non-football creditors."
Could have been referring to that?
Huddersfield - 5 point deduction for that Paddy Power shirt at the start of the season
Hull - 5 point deduction for conceding 8 goals in a game
Leeds - 10 for The Leko incident.
If lyle signs for championship club--15 for being arse holes.
Update from Wigan camp today:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53429940
Also this stood out -
"...there is a massive difference in central solidarity payments between the £4.5m Championship clubs receive annually and the £700,000 League One clubs receive, so staying up is important financially."
*this obviously excludes the preposterous whores at EFL
It is really rather simple. Wigan will not be deducted 12 points next season if they happen to win their next 2 games & stay up, even after being deducted 12 points next Wednesday evening.
I can see a minor restructure of leagues 1 and 2
I would maintain that deductions administered during a season should only be applied to that season if they have some meaningful effect on final position. If not, they should be applied at the beginning of the following season.
In other words, if your deduction takes you from:
Automatic promotion to playoffs
Playoffs to midtable or
Midtable to relegation
then it should be applied immediately, otherwise it should apply at the beginning of the following season.
In my view, it’s not right that decisions on the scale of punishments are made when some of the season has already played out and the realistic effect can already be seen. If points are deducted at the beginning of a season and end up having no effect, so be it - at least it’s been applied fairly.
Just for some context, if my suggestion were applied last year, then Birmingham would be in deep shit this season. (A situation about which I’m still angry and still don’t understand why more people aren’t also angry.)
I think the possibility of the further points is a great idea if it means that new owners can’t ignore all the businesses that were owed money by the old company.
We will be relegated, and then go into administration.
Another example of how the wealthy win.