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Wigan financial woes - up for sale again? p40
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Skybet look like the only bookie offering odds. They’ve got Wigan at 2/7, Hull at 11/4 and us at 4/1.bobmunro said:Addickted said:What odds are you offering on Wigan's regulation?
Asking for a friend.
Bookmakers are not offering odds on relegation because of the uncertainty around points deductions. The exchanges have Wigan at 4/11 - and the massives at around evens.Not sure if their rules allow them to void if Wigan don’t get a points deduction. For those that think Wigan could get out of it 5/2 to stay up with them is a decent price.0 -
Owners are allowed to place bets on their teams winning promotion.0
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Who told you that?golfaddick said:
As far as we know we haven't done anything wrong. You dont just get a point deduction because the new owner cant prove source or sustainability of funds or for a director taking money out.aliwibble said:
As I've said on another thread, I wouldn't be too blase about what the EFL do to Wigan, because they're investigating us as well, remember?peterreeves said:Couldnt care less about Wigan... We have been fecked over and over again for yesrs and nobody gave or gives a sh*t.
Survival at all costs.. No sympathy.
Honest Matt or Honest Paul...or Honest Chris...or honest Tahnoon Nasirat?1 -
Partly correct, ex-Labour but an Independent at the time. I think the point stands though.Dansk_Red said:I believe that one of the MP's for Bury represented the Labour Party during the demise of Bury FC, but lost his seat at the December General Election.2 -
Unless the panel was made up of Chansiri, Gary Monk and Des Walker that surely can't be true.Redrobo said:owls talk seem to believe that they have been found not guilty and no points deductions.
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ross1 said:If they get docked points and it helps us stay up, so be it......but no way do I want their club to go out of business, or any other club
I'd not lose any sleep if palice went bust.
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Nor meElfsborgAddick said:ross1 said:If they get docked points and it helps us stay up, so be it......but no way do I want their club to go out of business, or any other club
I'd not lose any sleep if palice went bust.1 -
I think Wigan will win their next 3 games (QPR, Barnsley and Hull) before they play us. If that happens we need to beat Reading and Brum and not lose to Wigan0
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JohnnyJoeyDeeDee said:I think Wigan will win their next 3 games (QPR, Barnsley and Hull) before they play us. If that happens we need to beat Reading and Brum and not lose to Wigan
Too many ifs, we'll be comfortable.
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I’d be very shocked if all of Hull, Boro, Stoke and Hudds make it to above 50. 51 would be enough to stay up in my opinion, regardless of whether Wigan get a 12 point deduction.1
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I have nothing against these two particularly and Andy Burnham is definitely one of our better politicians.PragueAddick said:
It’s Andy Burnham’s fault?? The same Andy Burnham, an Everton fan, who is shown in the documentary “Hillsborough - never forgotten” as being the politician who returned to London and told his bosses that the people of Liverpool must be served justice?stevexreeve said:Politicians make company law and are totally responsible for this shit.
Asking for enquiries and blaming other people is not what they need to be doing now.
Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham - sort this out - it's your fault.
As for Lisa Nandy she has done her job as an MP. She has spoken out and got national attention for Wigan’s plight. I regret to say that in our case messrs Pennycook and Efford have been silent recently. But of course the latter is an effing Spanner. Maybe my mistake when writing to him was to emphasise the Romanian money launderer. Far more effective to point out that if Charlton go down or bust, the Spanners lose their 6 point guarantee. I will try that on him.
BUT I prefer leaders who stand up and say things like "This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it".
We have discovered that the EFL cannot do absolutely anything about bad owners except deduct points or expel the team from the league.
Now we are suggesting that they don't do either of these things because "somebody" should have prevented the sale "somehow". So let's blame "somebody" for the problem.
This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it
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I would definitely lose sleep . I’d be partying for a week !ElfsborgAddick said:ross1 said:If they get docked points and it helps us stay up, so be it......but no way do I want their club to go out of business, or any other club
I'd not lose any sleep if palice went bust.21 -
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I would definitely lose sleep . I’d be partying for a week !ElfsborgAddick said:ross1 said:If they get docked points and it helps us stay up, so be it......but no way do I want their club to go out of business, or any other club
I'd not lose any sleep if palice went bust.
Biggleswade would not know what hit them.
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100%. That would make a huge difference. 👍cabbles said:Utrinque_Paratus said:There should be a safeguard like landlords receive from tenants, a deposit up front. So when a buyer purchases a club, they should be made to pay x amount of millions to the EFL, to stop them just walking away. If owners do right by the club and once they sell they get it back.Good suggestion
I have been thinking more and more about practical ways to safeguard the game. The problem is the wages that are paid to players. It’s okay for the few elite teams that play in the CL and have global brands. They can sustain the 200k a week salaries.The market has spiraled out of control. Because the top players can demand half a million a week, the not so top players can find themselves being paid £70k a week. That then means the top end Championship sides and those in lower half of the Prem start paying big big money for not very good players and aren’t able to sustain it.
Even some of the players that play for us, despite probably being lower earners in the grand scheme of things, are probably being paid more than we can afford.
it can’t go on. I’m all in favour of people earning as much money as they can if they work hard and I know footballers have short careers, but not at the expense of mine or other’s football clubs
I also think a rule should be in place where owners don’t lend the clubs money (still within the ffp requirements). They accept that the money they put in is equity. There’s no loans, no interest payments. You are simply allowed to increase your equity. If the shit hits the fan then you lose your investment, end of. Dutchatelet is a prime example and it seems like the blokes at Wigan were in a similar boat. Loaning the clubs money to be paid back at a rate of interest over time. It’s bollocks.7 -
This is an interesting read on the Wigan situation
https://twitter.com/marksparko/status/1279000646335836163
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What happens if Wigan do not complete their fixtures? Are all points gained by those teams they have already played deducted and how would league then look?0
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Well it would benefit us, as we lost to them.BillG said:What happens if Wigan do not complete their fixtures? Are all points gained by those teams they have already played deducted and how would league then look?3 -
Is that even possible??? Not completing their fixtures?0
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Not really. Jack would pay the wages and said to be money in the bank.peterreeves said:Is that even possible??? Not completing their fixtures?0 -
If you mean OUR fault, as in all of us fans who just accept the whole shit structure of English football, rather than organising mass protests and harassing their politicians to get that structure changed, then I agree with you. I fear that that is not what you meant. Are you familiar for example with the Bill that Clive Efford tried and failed to get through Parliament, or all the reform work Damian Collins tried to push through when he was at DCMS? If not, then dont worry as I guess 95% of other Lifers are not either. And thats the problem. Politicians need to feel popular pressure and support from voters for such changes, because after all they will be going against the interests fo entire countries ( Abu Dhabi) as well as Russian economic hustlers and very English pornbrokers.stevexreeve said:
I have nothing against these two particularly and Andy Burnham is definitely one of our better politicians.PragueAddick said:
It’s Andy Burnham’s fault?? The same Andy Burnham, an Everton fan, who is shown in the documentary “Hillsborough - never forgotten” as being the politician who returned to London and told his bosses that the people of Liverpool must be served justice?stevexreeve said:Politicians make company law and are totally responsible for this shit.
Asking for enquiries and blaming other people is not what they need to be doing now.
Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham - sort this out - it's your fault.
As for Lisa Nandy she has done her job as an MP. She has spoken out and got national attention for Wigan’s plight. I regret to say that in our case messrs Pennycook and Efford have been silent recently. But of course the latter is an effing Spanner. Maybe my mistake when writing to him was to emphasise the Romanian money launderer. Far more effective to point out that if Charlton go down or bust, the Spanners lose their 6 point guarantee. I will try that on him.
BUT I prefer leaders who stand up and say things like "This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it".
We have discovered that the EFL cannot do absolutely anything about bad owners except deduct points or expel the team from the league.
Now we are suggesting that they don't do either of these things because "somebody" should have prevented the sale "somehow". So let's blame "somebody" for the problem.
This is OUR fault - WE must do something about it3 -
One modest way to protect club's from themselves would be to make every player's contract contain a relegation clause. The PFA would hate it but you'd think the risk of large numbers of club's going out of business might give them pause for thought.3
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£100,000 raised by supporters (I think) for the travel expenses for Wigan1
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Whatever we think of the Wigan situation, rules are rules and the EFL aren’t going to NOT impose the points deduction because that would be unlawful and it would get overturned by any club that challenged it.
The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.11 -
Pies 🥧!ross1 said:£100,000 raised by supporters (I think) for the travel expenses for Wigan1 -
Bet it would also get more effort from all playersSantaClaus said:One modest way to protect club's from themselves would be to make every player's contract contain a relegation clause. The PFA would hate it but you'd think the risk of large numbers of club's going out of business might give them pause for thought.
Would Sunderland have tried to stave off relegation from both Premier League and Championship a bit more had everyone been at risk of wage cuts rather than just a handle or no one at all
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I've just been talking to my next door neighbour, who is a coach/sports scientist for Leicester City, about the Wigan situation and he agreed that the EFL cant stop the points deduction otherwise any other club that have debts can blame dodgy deals and Covid-19 and would expect the same leniency.
I also asked if there was any truth, as previously reported on the Taylor thread, that Lyle was going to Leicester, his answer was and I quote, " I've not heard anything about him coming here and Leicester are looking to buy players that are a lot younger than 30, and Taylor wouldn't fit that profile". So unless he is telling me porkies or genuinely doesn't know....Taylor isn't going there!!5 -
I suspect that we’ll be quite shocked by Taylor’s final destination. A step up from us no doubt but talk of a top four Premier side or even a premier team is I think very unlikely.7
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Fairly confident he'll not be playing in England next season. My money is on Turkey and Galatasaray.0
