I love watching theses old games it just looks a more relaxed experience Quick question to those of you who watched football in the mid 70s. Was it a happier time to watch football? Ie win or lose no big inquest there is always another game next week?
It was less predictable and more exciting. Less time wasting, feigning of injury, rolling over as soon as a player gets touched etc etc. The game was more stretched and as a result more end to end. You didn't have two holding midfielders to "protect" the back four and a winger's job was to create and not spend all his time tracking the run of the full back.
It still hurt when we lost though. It was a more enjoyable experience doing so though!
I went to a small number of games as a child in the late 70s or early 80s, either standing on the East terrace or sitting in the old West Stand and have no recollection of any trouble
As a child at The Valley in the early eighties I spent a lot of my time counting the number of spectators when I got bored with the match. People did move around a lot and lots of skirmishes broke out in The Covered End. I don't know how they expected the attendance figures to be accurate.
I went to a small number of games as a child in the late 70s or early 80s, either standing on the East terrace or sitting in the old West Stand and have no recollection of any trouble
If you were a young child then the chances are you was only interested in the game.
Back in the 70s and early 80s there was trouble at most games home and away.
But the trouble didn't impact on me, it wasn't as if it was everywhere in the ground. Even now it's a different viewing experience and atmosphere in the side stands at most ground when compared to the home and away "ends"
I love watching theses old games it just looks a more relaxed experience Quick question to those of you who watched football in the mid 70s. Was it a happier time to watch football? Ie win or lose no big inquest there is always another game next week?
It was less predictable and more exciting. Less time wasting, feigning of injury, rolling over as soon as a player gets touched etc etc. The game was more stretched and as a result more end to end. You didn't have two holding midfielders to "protect" the back four and a winger's job was to create and not spend all his time tracking the run of the full back.
It still hurt when we lost though. It was a more enjoyable experience doing so though!
Agree with this.
Even limited teams tried to play a bit more openly and the games flowed pretty well. Now you see so many games where teams compress everyone into their own half, making it impossible for top wingers to get into full flight...so they cut inside or pass. I find it incredibly boring.
The heavier ball seemed to hang a bit when crossed and heading generally was much stronger all over the pitch. So many crosses these days end up sailing over everyone and out for throw ins on the other side!
Defences were organised but had less cover, so there were nearly always gaps. Blocking shots wasn't such a big thing then either. It did happen but wasn't quite the art that say someone like John Terry made it.
But my Dad found 70s and 80s football incredibly boring by comparison to the stuff he watched in the 40s and 50s. 4-4-2 formations of the 60s did tighten things up and then you had the Italian teams who showed everyone just how difficult you could make it by sitting back, packing midfield, man-marking and fouling.
I only really go back to the very early 80s in terms of live games watched properly and even accounting for being young/impressionable, I would have no hesitation saying I thought football was a better spectacle then than now. Conditions also played a big part and seem to do so less these days.
I love watching old games; the two I watched this week on YouTube were QPR 2 v Chelsea 4 n 1970 and Chelsea 4 v Liverpool 2 in 1977 or 78. Watch those highlights and you'll be entertained.
I went to a small number of games as a child in the late 70s or early 80s, either standing on the East terrace or sitting in the old West Stand and have no recollection of any trouble
As a child at The Valley in the early eighties I spent a lot of my time counting the number of spectators when I got bored with the match. People did move around a lot and lots of skirmishes broke out in The Covered End. I don't know how they expected the attendance figures to be accurate.
The hooliganism at Charlton peaked April 1977 when Charlton beat Chelsea 4-0. Chelsea had the Covered End and they set multiple fires in there and also they set fires in the south end. They demolished some of the turnstiles in Harvey Gardens and smashed up The Valley club.
I think seats were put in @1980 and that reduced a lot of the trouble.
Does everyone just moan more now and therefore the perception is that it’s not a happy experience as it was or could be.
When I started watching in late 80s and 90s there would only be 1 or 2 people Who’d be moaning and you’d know it was the same person each week and you’d laugh about it, but I loved it and I’d pray every night before a match for us to win I’d dream about Charlton on a regular basis amd we weren’t that good.
Maybe my memory is failing me as I get older and I’m longing for something that wasn’t as true as I think it was.
I think when football became a "product" at £30+ a pop was when people started expecting more from it - and therefore a lot more moaning.
When you're paying £3 you're less bothered abut the "product".
Funnily enough i was showing my daughter today the old ticket Stubbs and first game of the season at selhurst 1989 vs derby, 3 pounds for the Arthur Waite as a concession. That was a shocking game 0-0 I think.
I think when football became a "product" at £30+ a pop was when people started expecting more from it - and therefore a lot more moaning.
When you're paying £3 you're less bothered abut the "product".
I think that's fair comment but in the 70s you could have seen us beat 6-0 and 6-1 in the matter of three weeks. We will never ever witness that again as that isn't the way football is played nowadays. Let's face it, it's a rarity to get 6 shots on target let alone to score from them. We're not unique in this respect - it's just that coaching has evolved to the extent that the focus is on stopping the opposition from playing and if and when you do get in front to protect that lead.
Today's programme (ITV4) one of the best so far (excluding ones with us in). FA Cup fourth round 1975 and a "flashback" to 1970. Great crowds, surges on terraces, shocking pitches, and great football, including non league Wimbledon at Leeds. A great reminder of how football used to be (not better or worse than today - just very different).
What I have noticed that I can compare with today was how the better players stand out more. There were quite a lot of bang average players playing. It was less obvious at the time. A decent League One team of today would win the League if transported back to the 70s IMO. I do enjoy the nostalgia though.
What I have noticed that I can compare with today was how the better players stand out more. There were quite a lot of bang average players playing. It was less obvious at the time. A decent League One team of today would win the League if transported back to the 70s IMO. I do enjoy the nostalgia though.
All relative, Liverpool dominated European football in the 70's and 80's. Today they'd be mid table.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
Man City fans applauded Robert Lee's nondescript effort at Maine Road in 1985. They felt sorry for us and were no doubt very grateful, that we put out a team with 3 kids when they needed to win for promotion. Basically we just handed it to them. Bet they wouldn't have applauded if we had won 1-0.
I think we have once or twice. The one where Giggs hit the bar from the halfway line and I think OGS tapped it in. There was a delay and we got to our feet and started clapping. Yann got applauded for his goals for Reading against us, but that was a bit different. I recall a few times when we have applauded great play by an opponent.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
I’ve done it a few times, nothing wrong with acknowledging a great goal (unless it’s Palace)
Morts got a great reaction by Everton fans when he scored a blinder up there in the 80’s.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
Remember doing it when a Pompey player scored a great volley against us a few years back and Thierry Henrys free kick against us around the same era. Sometimes you just have to accept a great piece of football
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
I’ve done it a few times, nothing wrong with acknowledging a great goal (unless it’s Palace)
Morts got a great reaction by Everton fans when he scored a blinder up there in the 80’s.
There was a highlight vid on a thread years back. Can see me and a few others leaping about when our second goes in. We stood on the daft shallow terrace behind the goal. Were drinking in some pub in Prescot for some reason I can't remember and ended up arriving on the whistle having dumped the car somewhere in a rush. Mort's and Nevin's footwork on shite pitches were quality.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
I applauded Kermorgant's goals against us (very good goals) as did a lot of others, although a lot of Douchebag supporters around me weren't happy.
I think we have once or twice. The one where Giggs hit the bar from the halfway line and I think OGS tapped it in. There was a delay and we got to our feet and started clapping. Yann got applauded for his goals for Reading against us, but that was a bit different. I recall a few times when we have applauded great play by an opponent.
In fairness, the OGS (I couldn't spell it either) finish wasn't just a tap in - still had to volley and beat the keeper.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
I applauded RVP’s goal for the Arse against us when we were in the PL. Amazing piece of skill
I think we have once or twice. The one where Giggs hit the bar from the halfway line and I think OGS tapped it in. There was a delay and we got to our feet and started clapping. Yann got applauded for his goals for Reading against us, but that was a bit different. I recall a few times when we have applauded great play by an
I remember the Giggs shot, probably the most extraordinary goal I’ve seen at the valley. Think I was too shocked to applaud.
What I remember most about the Giggs goal was sitting half way up the covered end how loud the thud of the ball against the bar was, as the crowd were quietened by his brilliant offer.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
Remember doing it when a Pompey player scored a great volley against us a few years back and Thierry Henrys free kick against us around the same era. Sometimes you just have to accept a great piece of football
Berger, that was a great goal.
Don't think I applauded but did sit there thinking bloody hell that was a great goal.
Watching the Ipswich vs Leicester from 1975, Worthington for Leicester scores a decent volley. The Ipswich fans applaud the goal. Has a tone applauded an away goal? Personally in 35 yrs I don’t think I’ve applauded an away goal. When did it all change?
I applauded RVP’s goal for the Arse against us when we were in the PL. Amazing piece of skill
The Giggs volley was in my opinion, the best football skill I've ever seen live.
I remember in the East Stand toilets at half time, some idiot was announcing to us all in there how jammy that goal was and no wonder United win everything when they get lucky like that all the time!
The Giggs volley was in my opinion, the best football skill I've ever seen live.
I remember in the East Stand toilets at half time, some idiot was announcing to us all in there how jammy that goal was and no wonder United win everything when they get lucky like that all the time!
Sorry mate, I have to agree with the fella........ I prefer Giggs' goal against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi at Villa Park.
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It still hurt when we lost though. It was a more enjoyable experience doing so though!
Even limited teams tried to play a bit more openly and the games flowed pretty well. Now you see so many games where teams compress everyone into their own half, making it impossible for top wingers to get into full flight...so they cut inside or pass. I find it incredibly boring.
The heavier ball seemed to hang a bit when crossed and heading generally was much stronger all over the pitch. So many crosses these days end up sailing over everyone and out for throw ins on the other side!
Defences were organised but had less cover, so there were nearly always gaps. Blocking shots wasn't such a big thing then either. It did happen but wasn't quite the art that say someone like John Terry made it.
But my Dad found 70s and 80s football incredibly boring by comparison to the stuff he watched in the 40s and 50s. 4-4-2 formations of the 60s did tighten things up and then you had the Italian teams who showed everyone just how difficult you could make it by sitting back, packing midfield, man-marking and fouling.
I only really go back to the very early 80s in terms of live games watched properly and even accounting for being young/impressionable, I would have no hesitation saying I thought football was a better spectacle then than now. Conditions also played a big part and seem to do so less these days.
I love watching old games; the two I watched this week on YouTube were QPR 2 v Chelsea 4 n 1970 and Chelsea 4 v Liverpool 2 in 1977 or 78. Watch those highlights and you'll be entertained.
Chelsea had the Covered End and they set multiple fires in there and also they set fires in the south end.
They demolished some of the turnstiles in Harvey Gardens and smashed up The Valley club.
I think seats were put in @1980 and that reduced a lot of the trouble.
When I started watching in late 80s and 90s there would only be 1 or 2 people Who’d be moaning and you’d know it was the same person each week and you’d laugh about it, but I loved it and I’d pray every night before a match for us to win I’d dream about Charlton on a regular basis amd we weren’t that good.
Maybe my memory is failing me as I get older and I’m longing for something that wasn’t as true as I think it was.
When you're paying £3 you're less bothered abut the "product".
Wimbledons biggest attendance at that ground 48,000.
Great game.
Morts got a great reaction by Everton fans when he scored a blinder up there in the 80’s.
Don't think I applauded but did sit there thinking bloody hell that was a great goal.
*sits back and opens popcorn*
I prefer Giggs' goal against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi at Villa Park.