Got tickets, accom and trains sorted for Cardiff. Can't get refunds for trains or accommodation, apparently "global pandemic" isn't a good enough reason 😠
Got tickets, accom and trains sorted for Cardiff. Can't get refunds for trains or accommodation, apparently "global pandemic" isn't a good enough reason 😠
Can you not say a close family member has Coronavirus so you have been told to self isolate so you actually cant travel
Got tickets, accom and trains sorted for Cardiff. Can't get refunds for trains or accommodation, apparently "global pandemic" isn't a good enough reason 😠
I have just received the following e-mail from Avanti West coast,if you or anybody else has booked tickets for away matches on their website this may be helpful.
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The scousers thought they'd won it...the title looked a cert... w*nking themselves silly...ending 30 years of hurt... They were by far the best team...its proven by the stats... Then China fucked their season...with the lurgy from eating bats.... Allez Allez Allez!!!
Isn’t there a precedent for this ? What happened with the Football League season in the Second World War ?
The 1939-40 season was abandoned after three matches (Charlton were in eighth place in Division One).
Football was still played though, just not in the same format or necessarily with the same players that were registered with the clubs when the war began.
Maybe we can borrow the Liverpool squad for the rest of the season as they have won their league already?
If Simon Stone whoever he is, is correct that there could be no football until after the peak and the medical experts are to be believed that the peak could be between 10-14 weeks, that would be around 13 June firstly players contracts are over 2 weeks later, secondly I just dont see the season being completed and players resting and pre season before the start of the next season.
For me the cut of needs to be around May and if they cant restart the season they need to void it and everyone starts again next season in their current league
Got tickets, accom and trains sorted for Cardiff. Can't get refunds for trains or accommodation, apparently "global pandemic" isn't a good enough reason 😠
Also got hotel booked for two nights down there with no refund being given, luckily i was going down on Megabus so haven;t lost too much on fares, but still annoying.
Theoretically speaking, if play was to resume on 4th April and we play out the rest of the season, for me the best and most logical solution to all of this would be to cancel all play-offs for this season.
The top three and bottom three go up and down respectively. Instead of the race for top 6, it’s the race for the last automatic promotion place, just like how it used to be.
It allows the games suspended now to be played, the season remaining fixtures pushed back and substituted where the fixtures would be played out in May.
People can’t moan about standings and fairness because the team who finishes 3rd would in the end deserve to be promoted. With how close all of the leagues are at present, it still allows for the competitive nature to remain.
This idea means we don’t have the season dragging on any further into the summer than it needs to, and without the worry of loan players and players out of contract in the summer to be either no longer here, or only a matter of days/weeks away from leaving.
If rest of season is cancelled and final standings are as they are now. Bottom club is replaced by top League 1 club. 2nd bottom club is replaced by second placed League 1 club. 3rd bottom club is replaced by League 1 play off winner. But Play offs would be cancelled so no League 1 play off winner. Who takes third place from League 1 then?
Seriously with no club mathematically relegated or promoted they cant promoted or relegate anyone, even Bolton could turn round to a court and say there is no reason we ant win our last 12 and stay up.
If the leagues were eventually completely ended for the season as they are they would have to just say no promotion and relegation and everyone starts again where they are next season.
Of course Sheffield United(looking like getting Europe) Leicester(looking like Champions league) Leeds(promotion to Premier League) wont like it but I think its the fairest way, you cant finish the season with some teams playing some certain teams twice and not others and having their futures rest on that
I agree that the fairest thing in a situation where there isn't a perfect solution is to void everything. But if the League decided to do the less likely thing, I can't see how that would have a detrimental effect on us either.
All this chuntering about getting this season finished in time to give the players a rest before the next one is pathetic risible bullshine. They're all having 3 weeks off now, "mid-season break" anybody ? FFS. We've got 9 games left. That requires 5 weeks, tops, a calendar month will be plenty. Next season starts when? 8 August? So long as this season finishes fully 4 weeks before then where's the issue? That means things can start again as late as 13 June and it'll fit in fine. Remaining teams in F A Cup and europe have a couple of extra games to play but that's always the case. A Scottish side recently played 2 matches on the same day cos of weather enforced fixture congestion, where there's a willingness there's a way. PL sides have got the square root of fuck all to complain about with their enormous squads and resources. There's more than enough money to be made for all the games to be rearranged. All that without even beginning to consider the very sensible and practical option of moving back the start of next season a week or 2 just to squash up those fixtures a tiny bit to make room for this season's. In reality the TV companies will determine what happens, they've ponied up the bunce and they'll insist on their kilograms of flesh. Expect live PL football 7 nights a week and 6 games minimum across weekends as the gravy train supping whores at PL, FA and EFL cheerfully raise their rear ends for extra sodomy, without a nanosecond's consideration for how (any) supporters actually get to & fro the games but that's already standard practice. Players' existing contracts will barely need extending, if at all. If the requirement for minimal social interaction extends beyond the start of June there'll be much bigger things to worry about than a poxy game, whatever the rancid cnuts at Sky TV might tell us.
The build up to any match we have with Millwall is tedious enough as it is. Now you’re telling me we have a 3 week run up with no other game to distract us from it whatsoever? Christ.
With what's going on in the boadroom and all the rest of the shenanigans, nobody is even going to think about the Millwall game.
Theoretically speaking, if play was to resume on 4th April and we play out the rest of the season, for me the best and most logical solution to all of this would be to cancel all play-offs for this season.
The top three and bottom three go up and down respectively. Instead of the race for top 6, it’s the race for the last automatic promotion place, just like how it used to be.
People can’t moan about standings and fairness because the team who finishes 3rd would in the end deserve to be promoted.
It seems logical to think that way, Sage. But the League would surely face legal challenges?
The competition rules made and amended before the start of the season state they have to stay in place for the forthcoming season.
I honestly don't see football resuming for months now and reckon should the season be finished rather than try and cram everything into May & June if it's even possible, award Liverpool the Premier League title and just promote the top two teams from each league and no relegation.
Premier League would have 22 teams next season as a one off, with an extra 4 rounds of games to be made up, maybe exclude Premier League teams from the League Cup next season to fit the extra games in and relegate the bottom 4 teams.
Championship would still comprise 24 teams with Coventry & Rotherham coming up from League One to compensate for Leeds & WBA going up.
The following season you would only have 2 teams going up to the Premier League (Champions & play off winner) with only 2 teams relegated.
Repeat down the leagues 2 up 2 down (except for L1 with 3 down and 3 up from L2) until everything balances out again.
Actually that could work in terms of minimise the risk of teams taking legal action. I like it when people work out clever solutions. It just seems people running things/Governments etc... can't think outside the box a bit.
Put Euros back a year, start next season late - can catch up by cancelling next year's League Cup, no replays in FA Cup - even cancel that if really late starting. They can also cancel all those non-tournaments like Community Shield and World Super Dooper Clubby Dubby Cup etc.
Theoretically speaking, if play was to resume on 4th April and we play out the rest of the season, for me the best and most logical solution to all of this would be to cancel all play-offs for this season.
The top three and bottom three go up and down respectively. Instead of the race for top 6, it’s the race for the last automatic promotion place, just like how it used to be.
It allows the games suspended now to be played, the season remaining fixtures pushed back and substituted where the fixtures would be played out in May.
People can’t moan about standings and fairness because the team who finishes 3rd would in the end deserve to be promoted. With how close all of the leagues are at present, it still allows for the competitive nature to remain.
This idea means we don’t have the season dragging on any further into the summer than it needs to, and without the worry of loan players and players out of contract in the summer to be either no longer here, or only a matter of days/weeks away from leaving.
Once again Sage shows that show that age is no barrier to joined-up thinking.
There is not going to be any perfect outcome to all this. There are going to be winners & losers. I think the league fixtures, promotion & relegation issues should take precedence over cup games & even play-offs. Back to the old 3 up/3 down model & games being played sat-wed-sat. 9 games left means 5 weeks at most. These could even start as late as end of May so that it coincides with players contracts ending 30th June.
I'm not in favour of just cancelling the season altogether. Woree case scenario is somehow using the current tables to support some sort of relegation/promotion issues.
Liverpool have clearly won the PL and there is no way wiping out their achievement this season would be fair (I dont get all this hatred of them), do that the PL title sorted. At the other end of things it's clear that both Bolton & Southend are going to get relegated, so that's the bottom of League 1 sorted. Leeds & WBA are clearly the best 2 in our league so they go up, and then its Norwich +1 other to go down (maybe a play-off scenario like we first did back in 1987). Same goes for us. Luton & Barnsley have been in the bottom 3 for the majority of the season so they go & a play off comprising us, Stoke, Huddersfield & Hull. Top of league 1 is tricky as is League 2.....but I favour this method over just airbrushing it all out.
All good ideas, @MartinCAFC . But the League rules say that you can't change the format of the League part way through the season, only before the season commences at the specific League meeting; any changes first have to be approved by vote of the clubs at that meeting.
Ending the season now, changing the format of promotion & relegation, dispensing with playoff games would be against the League's own comptition rules.
And surely would provoke legal challenges by disadvantaged clubs on that basis.
Legally, the season has to be played to it's full conclusion as stated by competition rules, however long it may take.
Or the season abandoned completely, null and void, as happened in 1939 after War was declared.
All this chuntering about getting this season finished in time to give the players a rest before the next one is pathetic risible bullshine. They're all having 3 weeks off now, "mid-season break" anybody ? FFS. We've got 9 games left. That requires 5 weeks, tops, a calendar month will be plenty. Next season starts when? 8 August? So long as this season finishes fully 4 weeks before then where's the issue? That means things can start again as late as 13 June and it'll fit in fine. Remaining teams in F A Cup and europe have a couple of extra games to play but that's always the case. A Scottish side recently played 2 matches on the same day cos of weather enforced fixture congestion, where there's a willingness there's a way. PL sides have got the square root of fuck all to complain about with their enormous squads and resources. There's more than enough money to be made for all the games to be rearranged. All that without even beginning to consider the very sensible and practical option of moving back the start of next season a week or 2 just to squash up those fixtures a tiny bit to make room for this season's. In reality the TV companies will determine what happens, they've ponied up the bunce and they'll insist on their kilograms of flesh. Expect live PL football 7 nights a week and 6 games minimum across weekends as the gravy train supping whores at PL, FA and EFL cheerfully raise their rear ends for extra sodomy, without a nanosecond's consideration for how (any) supporters actually get to & fro the games but that's already standard practice. Players' existing contracts will barely need extending, if at all. If the requirement for minimal social interaction extends beyond the start of June there'll be much bigger things to worry about than a poxy game, whatever the rancid cnuts at Sky TV might tell us.
Never going to work though, for example sides like Man City and Man Utd could have an extra 9 cup games to play (FA Cup and europe). City have 10 league games left. They'd need far more than a calendar month to play 19 games, especially as the European games need to be scheduled around other leagues as well.
You can't just take the positions as are or decide on playoffs just by saying well they've been in the bottom 3, or top 2 all year. You open yourself up to all kinds of legal challenges. That would lead to more of a delay. Better off finishing the season when you can and altering next season as you need to.
Theoretically speaking, if play was to resume on 4th April and we play out the rest of the season, for me the best and most logical solution to all of this would be to cancel all play-offs for this season.
The top three and bottom three go up and down respectively. Instead of the race for top 6, it’s the race for the last automatic promotion place, just like how it used to be.
It allows the games suspended now to be played, the season remaining fixtures pushed back and substituted where the fixtures would be played out in May.
People can’t moan about standings and fairness because the team who finishes 3rd would in the end deserve to be promoted. With how close all of the leagues are at present, it still allows for the competitive nature to remain.
This idea means we don’t have the season dragging on any further into the summer than it needs to, and without the worry of loan players and players out of contract in the summer to be either no longer here, or only a matter of days/weeks away from leaving.
All good ideas, @MartinCAFC . But the League rules say that you can't change the format of the League part way through the season, only before the season commences at the specific League meeting; any changes first have to be approved by vote of the clubs at that meeting.
Ending the season now, changing the format of promotion & relegation, dispensing with playoff games would be against the League's own comptition rules.
And surely would provoke legal challenges by disadvantaged clubs on that basis.
Legally, the season has to be played to it's full conclusion as stated by competition rules, however long it may take.
Or the season abandoned completely, null and void, as happened in 1939 after War was declared.
Surely in a Force Majeure (can never spell that) situation the rules aren’t binding?
All good ideas, @MartinCAFC . But the League rules say that you can't change the format of the League part way through the season, only before the season commences at the specific League meeting; any changes first have to be approved by vote of the clubs at that meeting.
Ending the season now, changing the format of promotion & relegation, dispensing with playoff games would be against the League's own comptition rules.
And surely would provoke legal challenges by disadvantaged clubs on that basis.
Legally, the season has to be played to it's full conclusion as stated by competition rules, however long it may take.
Or the season abandoned completely, null and void, as happened in 1939 after War was declared.
Surely in a Force Majeure (can never spell that) situation the rules aren’t binding?
You can't just take the positions as are or decide on playoffs just by saying well they've been in the bottom 3, or top 2 all year. You open yourself up to all kinds of legal challenges. That would lead to more of a delay. Better off finishing the season when you can and altering next season as you need to.
More or less what I've been saying.
And if there were valid legal challenges by those clubs clearly so disadvantaged, an injunction could be made preventing the League even commencing next season, while which teams in each division is decided by a court of law.
You can't just take the positions as are or decide on playoffs just by saying well they've been in the bottom 3, or top 2 all year. You open yourself up to all kinds of legal challenges. That would lead to more of a delay. Better off finishing the season when you can and altering next season as you need to.
More or less what I've been saying.
And if there were valid legal challenges by those clubs clearly so disadvantaged, an injunction could be made preventing the League even commencing next season, while which teams in each division is decided by a court of law.
Exactly, this isn't just a case of West Ham getting away with breaking rules to avoid relegation. There would be multiple challenges. Everyone in with a chance of going up, or consigned to relegation would argue they would have improved their position.
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Maybe other rail companies are adopting the same policy.
The scousers thought they'd won it...the title looked a cert...
w*nking themselves silly...ending 30 years of hurt...
They were by far the best team...its proven by the stats...
Then China fucked their season...with the lurgy from eating bats....
Allez Allez Allez!!!
Maybe we can borrow the Liverpool squad for the rest of the season as they have won their league already?
If Simon Stone whoever he is, is correct that there could be no football until after the peak and the medical experts are to be believed that the peak could be between 10-14 weeks, that would be around 13 June firstly players contracts are over 2 weeks later, secondly I just dont see the season being completed and players resting and pre season before the start of the next season.
For me the cut of needs to be around May and if they cant restart the season they need to void it and everyone starts again next season in their current league
Regarding the rest of the season...
Theoretically speaking, if play was to resume on 4th April and we play out the rest of the season, for me the best and most logical solution to all of this would be to cancel all play-offs for this season.
The top three and bottom three go up and down respectively. Instead of the race for top 6, it’s the race for the last automatic promotion place, just like how it used to be.
It allows the games suspended now to be played, the season remaining fixtures pushed back and substituted where the fixtures would be played out in May.
People can’t moan about standings and fairness because the team who finishes 3rd would in the end deserve to be promoted. With how close all of the leagues are at present, it still allows for the competitive nature to remain.
This idea means we don’t have the season dragging on any further into the summer than it needs to, and without the worry of loan players and players out of contract in the summer to be either no longer here, or only a matter of days/weeks away from leaving.
They're all having 3 weeks off now, "mid-season break" anybody ? FFS. We've got 9 games left. That requires 5 weeks, tops, a calendar month will be plenty. Next season starts when? 8 August? So long as this season finishes fully 4 weeks before then where's the issue? That means things can start again as late as 13 June and it'll fit in fine. Remaining teams in F A Cup and europe have a couple of extra games to play but that's always the case. A Scottish side recently played 2 matches on the same day cos of weather enforced fixture congestion, where there's a willingness there's a way. PL sides have got the square root of fuck all to complain about with their enormous squads and resources. There's more than enough money to be made for all the games to be rearranged.
All that without even beginning to consider the very sensible and practical option of moving back the start of next season a week or 2 just to squash up those fixtures a tiny bit to make room for this season's.
In reality the TV companies will determine what happens, they've ponied up the bunce and they'll insist on their kilograms of flesh. Expect live PL football 7 nights a week and 6 games minimum across weekends as the gravy train supping whores at PL, FA and EFL cheerfully raise their rear ends for extra sodomy, without a nanosecond's consideration for how (any) supporters actually get to & fro the games but that's already standard practice.
Players' existing contracts will barely need extending, if at all.
If the requirement for minimal social interaction extends beyond the start of June there'll be much bigger things to worry about than a poxy game, whatever the rancid cnuts at Sky TV might tell us.
There's nothing else for Sky to show.
Anyway it'll probably be postponed.
The competition rules made and amended before the start of the season state they have to stay in place for the forthcoming season.
Premier League would have 22 teams next season as a one off, with an extra 4 rounds of games to be made up, maybe exclude Premier League teams from the League Cup next season to fit the extra games in and relegate the bottom 4 teams.
Championship would still comprise 24 teams with Coventry & Rotherham coming up from League One to compensate for Leeds & WBA going up.
The following season you would only have 2 teams going up to the Premier League (Champions & play off winner) with only 2 teams relegated.
Repeat down the leagues 2 up 2 down (except for L1 with 3 down and 3 up from L2) until everything balances out again.
They can also cancel all those non-tournaments like Community Shield and World Super Dooper Clubby Dubby Cup etc.
There is not going to be any perfect outcome to all this. There are going to be winners & losers. I think the league fixtures, promotion & relegation issues should take precedence over cup games & even play-offs. Back to the old 3 up/3 down model & games being played sat-wed-sat. 9 games left means 5 weeks at most. These could even start as late as end of May so that it coincides with players contracts ending 30th June.
I'm not in favour of just cancelling the season altogether. Woree case scenario is somehow using the current tables to support some sort of relegation/promotion issues.
Liverpool have clearly won the PL and there is no way wiping out their achievement this season would be fair (I dont get all this hatred of them), do that the PL title sorted. At the other end of things it's clear that both Bolton & Southend are going to get relegated, so that's the bottom of League 1 sorted. Leeds & WBA are clearly the best 2 in our league so they go up, and then its Norwich +1 other to go down (maybe a play-off scenario like we first did back in 1987). Same goes for us. Luton & Barnsley have been in the bottom 3 for the majority of the season so they go & a play off comprising us, Stoke, Huddersfield & Hull. Top of league 1 is tricky as is League 2.....but I favour this method over just airbrushing it all out.
Ending the season now, changing the format of promotion & relegation, dispensing with playoff games would be against the League's own comptition rules.
And surely would provoke legal challenges by disadvantaged clubs on that basis.
Legally, the season has to be played to it's full conclusion as stated by competition rules, however long it may take.
Or the season abandoned completely, null and void, as happened in 1939 after War was declared.
And if there were valid legal challenges by those clubs clearly so disadvantaged, an injunction could be made preventing the League even commencing next season, while which teams in each division is decided by a court of law.