My name is Lee Bowyer and I'm not going to mention the Top 6 again, as it's put too much pressure on the players to perform in games.
+2 days and a contract update on the squad has been provided, with the main point being we don't know which division we will be in next year. We might get promoted to the Championship, or move to League 2, or stay in League 1.
Cant do much about avoiding that if he's asked the question...
The same thing has happened to Bowyer as happened to Robinson and Pardew (and probably everyone else).
It's refreshing and honesty when they start. They it becomes deflection, denial or outright ballshit (depending on your point of view). The only difference is on the pitch and that changes people's views of what they are saying and doing.
“Jake has done well this season. He started slowly in pre-season and I gave him a bit of a kick up the backside – pointed a few things out to him. He responded in the right way, since then he’s been very good.“
“ Chuks is another one who we have converted into a striker that goes on and scores goals..... If we go up I’m guessing he would stay with us. He likes it with us. He is another we have got the best out of, so I couldn’t see why he’d leave if we went up.”
Bowyer has a tendency to claim credit when a player is doing well. Is that because he’s under pressure, or is he hoping players will want to stay if they feel they wouldn’t be a successful without him? I wonder if it makes the players feel undervalued.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
That’s the issue of course, Peterborough got clarke-harris, probably no better than Chuks but plays Saturday/Tuesday.
If Chuks can suddenly become the man who plays every game then brilliant by all means pump whatever funds we have to get him tied down but if next season we still have the chuks who can only start 12 games with two thirds of the season gone then I don’t think it’s the worst loss.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Ah for sure, I'd prefer the best striker, best defender and best GK amd maybe with no wage restrictions we will obtain that.. id also prefer not to be rebuilding our starting 11 each season too .
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Ah for sure, I'd prefer the best striker, best defender and best GK amd maybe with no wage restrictions we will obtain that.. id so prefer not to be rebuilding our starting 11 each season too .
If you’re happy with the 8th top scorer then that’s cool for you, you must enjoy mid table league one.
And we wouldn’t be rebuilding our starting 11 because Chuks is rarely in it.
“Jake has done well this season. He started slowly in pre-season and I gave him a bit of a kick up the backside – pointed a few things out to him. He responded in the right way, since then he’s been very good.“
“ Chuks is another one who we have converted into a striker that goes on and scores goals..... If we go up I’m guessing he would stay with us. He likes it with us. He is another we have got the best out of, so I couldn’t see why he’d leave if we went up.”
Bowyer has a tendency to claim credit when a player is doing well. Is that because he’s under pressure, or is he hoping players will want to stay if they feel they wouldn’t be a successful without him? I wonder if it makes the players feel undervalued.
Chuks scored plenty of goals for MKD, it’s not as if he only started scoring under Bowyer
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Ah for sure, I'd prefer the best striker, best defender and best GK amd maybe with no wage restrictions we will obtain that.. id so prefer not to be rebuilding our starting 11 each season too .
If you’re happy with the 8th top scorer then that’s cool for you, you must enjoy mid table league one.
And we wouldn’t be rebuilding our starting 11 because Chuks is rarely in it.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
That’s the issue of course, Peterborough got clarke-harris, probably no better than Chuks but plays Saturday/Tuesday.
If Chuks can suddenly become the man who plays every game then brilliant by all means pump whatever funds we have to get him tied down but if next season we still have the chuks who can only start 12 games with two thirds of the season gone then I don’t think it’s the worst loss.
To be fair, this isn't a ridiculous opinion. Chuks is great but he doesn't play enough games. We're pretty reliant on him, but that doesn't translate to a high position in the table because there's too many games where we don't have him. If we can keep him, great! If not, then it won't completely cripple us as either way we need to find a striker who can do what Chuks does but on a more regular basis. Dion Charles is definitely a player on the up, and with the cap being lifted and Accrington's general lack of funds he seems like an attainable target assuming they stay in this division.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Ah for sure, I'd prefer the best striker, best defender and best GK amd maybe with no wage restrictions we will obtain that.. id so prefer not to be rebuilding our starting 11 each season too .
If you’re happy with the 8th top scorer then that’s cool for you, you must enjoy mid table league one.
And we wouldn’t be rebuilding our starting 11 because Chuks is rarely in it.
Because that's exactlywhat I said isn't it..
But you are happy with the 8th top scorer. Which is fine, I just think we should aim higher, and that’s where the debate ends doesn’t it, no drama.
“Jake has done well this season. He started slowly in pre-season and I gave him a bit of a kick up the backside – pointed a few things out to him. He responded in the right way, since then he’s been very good.“
“ Chuks is another one who we have converted into a striker that goes on and scores goals..... If we go up I’m guessing he would stay with us. He likes it with us. He is another we have got the best out of, so I couldn’t see why he’d leave if we went up.”
Bowyer has a tendency to claim credit when a player is doing well. Is that because he’s under pressure, or is he hoping players will want to stay if they feel they wouldn’t be a successful without him? I wonder if it makes the players feel undervalued.
It’s a thread on Chuks’ contract and it’s still being twisted to somehow have a dig at the manager. He was asked a question and he answered it.
He said “we” not “I”. He’s speaking the truth, the clubs coaching staff have turned an attacking midfielder into a striker and it’s been a massive success for both the club and the player. Chuks will now likely go on to a Championship club as one of the countries most in-form strikers (using the goals to minutes metric).
We’ve also done similar with the likes of Leko, the coaching team are clearly proud of their ability to see things in players that other clubs don’t.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
That’s the issue of course, Peterborough got clarke-harris, probably no better than Chuks but plays Saturday/Tuesday.
If Chuks can suddenly become the man who plays every game then brilliant by all means pump whatever funds we have to get him tied down but if next season we still have the chuks who can only start 12 games with two thirds of the season gone then I don’t think it’s the worst loss.
Although he has only started 12 games he has still played quite a lot of minutes. If we had of had Stockley in the first half of the season he probably would have started more games, but had less minutes.
Yet another example of one of our players who is well worth a place in a top league one team but not one you would build a team around.
Aim higher by all means but why should that be instead of Chuks? He is probably number one or top three at least in terms of goals per minutes played so the trick might be to get some more minutes out of him.
“Jake has done well this season. He started slowly in pre-season and I gave him a bit of a kick up the backside – pointed a few things out to him. He responded in the right way, since then he’s been very good.“
“ Chuks is another one who we have converted into a striker that goes on and scores goals..... If we go up I’m guessing he would stay with us. He likes it with us. He is another we have got the best out of, so I couldn’t see why he’d leave if we went up.”
Bowyer has a tendency to claim credit when a player is doing well. Is that because he’s under pressure, or is he hoping players will want to stay if they feel they wouldn’t be a successful without him? I wonder if it makes the players feel undervalued.
Come on now, this is a ridiculous thing to criticise. Of course Bowyer talks up the club's involvement in players doing well. For a start, he coaches the players so he's entitled to think he was in some way involved in that, especially as you don't have to look far on this forum to find that people are very happy to blame him for poor performances whenever things don't go well. Strange double standard to have.
The main thing is though, it's a marketing trick, and it's an effective one. Of course he's going to say that he improves players, that's something potential signings will look at when they think about whether to sign for us. We're not the biggest team who are going to be bidding for players, but if we can tell potential permanent signings or the parent clubs of potential loanees that we'll make the player better and potentially allow them to move onto something bigger then we're more likely to be able to get them to join us. Bowyer can point out the trajectory of the careers of players like Bielik, Cullen and Gallagher when we're trying to get Premier League loans and players like Grant and Taylor when trying to convince a player that we're the right team for them. He's not saying taking all the credit to devalue their contribution, he's pointing out that we're a team worth signing for.
Aim higher by all means but why should that be instead of Chuks? He is probably number one or top three at least in terms of goals per minutes played so the trick might be to get some more minutes out of him.
I agree, as I already said, if he turns into the man who starts Saturday/Tuesday get him signed up with whatever he wants. Big “if” though.
Very weird given that this is the same manager that froze Dillon Phillips out because he “only” had a year left on his contract and hadn’t signed an extension.
Aim higher by all means but why should that be instead of Chuks? He is probably number one or top three at least in terms of goals per minutes played so the trick might be to get some more minutes out of him.
I agree, as I already said, if he turns into the man who starts Saturday/Tuesday get him signed up with whatever he wants. Big “if” though.
Maybe we need a crystal ball. Or maybe just try to sign him up eh?
Aim higher by all means but why should that be instead of Chuks? He is probably number one or top three at least in terms of goals per minutes played so the trick might be to get some more minutes out of him.
I agree, as I already said, if he turns into the man who starts Saturday/Tuesday get him signed up with whatever he wants. Big “if” though.
Maybe we need a crystal ball. Or maybe just try to sign him up eh?
Maybe we need the medical team and coaching staff to decide that, probably the best option, eh.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
That’s the issue of course, Peterborough got clarke-harris, probably no better than Chuks but plays Saturday/Tuesday.
If Chuks can suddenly become the man who plays every game then brilliant by all means pump whatever funds we have to get him tied down but if next season we still have the chuks who can only start 12 games with two thirds of the season gone then I don’t think it’s the worst loss.
Chuks is brilliant at this level, but not overly bothered if he goes because he will only start 25/30 games max, we need our main striker to play 40 plus.
Probably the fact he's scored 12 goals, played 26 games in a dogshite team with no service, has the best mpg stats and that's not good enough.
Who said it’s not good enough? I said he’s brilliant. Just point that out for me?
OK you said he's brilliant but not fussed if he leaves, maybe that's the funny bit ?
I knew comedy was in crisis but not this bad.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like chuks, it’s quite the opposite I think he class, but we need class for all the games not a fraction of games.
Do you think we could get 3 better than Chuks though?
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
That’s the issue of course, Peterborough got clarke-harris, probably no better than Chuks but plays Saturday/Tuesday.
If Chuks can suddenly become the man who plays every game then brilliant by all means pump whatever funds we have to get him tied down but if next season we still have the chuks who can only start 12 games with two thirds of the season gone then I don’t think it’s the worst loss.
definitely the one that got away...
Absolutely, like for like Taylor replacement, without the attention seeking.
I think I feel a fair amount of apathy for this current squad, Chuks is probably my favourite current player but I still wouldn't be particularly upset if he left. Feels sad writing that but it is true. Even in really poor sides we have had in the past there has been a few players I would desperately want to stay.
Aim higher by all means but why should that be instead of Chuks? He is probably number one or top three at least in terms of goals per minutes played so the trick might be to get some more minutes out of him.
I agree, as I already said, if he turns into the man who starts Saturday/Tuesday get him signed up with whatever he wants. Big “if” though.
Maybe we need a crystal ball. Or maybe just try to sign him up eh?
Maybe we need the medical team and coaching staff to decide that, probably the best option, eh.
It doesn't matter anyway, as if things stay as they are now, he won't be signing.
What's with all this negativity, the season may be over for some of us, but in reality lets just take the positive that he is here for us this season, and we could still finish on a high, if he goes next year, then bye and thanks
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It's refreshing and honesty when they start. They it becomes deflection, denial or outright ballshit (depending on your point of view). The only difference is on the pitch and that changes people's views of what they are saying and doing.
Bowyer has a tendency to claim credit when a player is doing well. Is that because he’s under pressure, or is he hoping players will want to stay if they feel they wouldn’t be a successful without him?
I wonder if it makes the players feel undervalued.
Chucks has started 12 games all season, his stats are phenomenal considering that. But at the end of the day he’s 8th top scorer, I’d rather have thee top scorer, or someone near that at least, which I think is reasonable for a team with promotion aspirations.
We could probably "manage his minutes" better of we had another 2 worthy of being first choice and didn't have to bring him on a half time when we are trying to rest him.
And we wouldn’t be rebuilding our starting 11 because Chuks is rarely in it.
To be fair, this isn't a ridiculous opinion. Chuks is great but he doesn't play enough games. We're pretty reliant on him, but that doesn't translate to a high position in the table because there's too many games where we don't have him. If we can keep him, great! If not, then it won't completely cripple us as either way we need to find a striker who can do what Chuks does but on a more regular basis. Dion Charles is definitely a player on the up, and with the cap being lifted and Accrington's general lack of funds he seems like an attainable target assuming they stay in this division.
Yet another example of one of our players who is well worth a place in a top league one team but not one you would build a team around.
Sounds like our end to me
Does his missus agree?