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Christian bakery owners win appeal

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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    edited October 2018
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    There's absolutely nothing reasonable, rational or logical about religion and religious beliefs being afforded such credibility and sanctity in Britain and other allegedly sensible progressive societies in 2018.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    But if some icing is halal and some isn't, (thanks for the link btw), how do you know when and when not to wear gloves?
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Addickted said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    But if some icing is halal and some isn't, (thanks for the link btw), how do you know when and when not to wear gloves?
    why do people have to provide links for you?
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    McBobbin said:

    Thank Allah the Muslim-owned shop across my road sells alcohol. Helped me out many a time

    if you go into a halal curry house and they do not sell beer than that is fair enough - go somewhere else.

    if i go to the sainsburys local at 10.30pm on a friday night to get a bottle of wine and a packet of fags and i have to wait an extra 10 minutes because the cashier will not handle the product - then that is bollocks.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    There's absolutely nothing reasonable, rational or logical about religion and religious beliefs being afforded such credibility and sanctity in Britain and other allegedly sensible progressive societies in 2018.
    Totally agree - but the CoE would firstly need to be disestablished and then the Equality Act updated to remove protection for religious belief/non-belief. Neither is going to happen any time soon.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    Moving away from the bakery, it does feel sad that some people do not see such a message as normal and fine. If two men or two women love each other, what right do I have to condemn them for wanting to get married or look down on them in any way.

    Of course you can be decent people and live your life by the teachings of your religion and those teachings can have elements that are not reasonable today. It is a tension that society has to deal with and one direction may be that it becomes more secular. I think France has taken this path to some degree. I think they have banned the wearing of burkhas in schools.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    To be fair, I know a few days people who are against gay marriage, for very similar reasons as those who oppose it for religious regions (their reasoning being, why would I want that ceremony?)
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    palarsehater said:

    Addickted said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    But if some icing is halal and some isn't, (thanks for the link btw), how do you know when and when not to wear gloves?
    why do people have to provide links for you?
    https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/rattle-your-cage.540197/
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    People are entitled to handle and refuse to handle anything they choose, but why work in a place where you are probably gonna face problems? Some people are fuckin strange

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    I wasn't referring to the bakery - I said moving away from the bakery to start the post. I was talking about how some react to such a message.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    I wasn't referring to the bakery - I said moving away from the bakery to start the post. I was talking about how some react to such a message.
    Fair do's.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Addickted said:

    palarsehater said:

    Addickted said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    But if some icing is halal and some isn't, (thanks for the link btw), how do you know when and when not to wear gloves?
    why do people have to provide links for you?
    https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/rattle-your-cage.540197/
    twat
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Happy to provide a link for you.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    Addickted said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    palarsehater said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    But if some icing is halal and some isn't, (thanks for the link btw), how do you know when and when not to wear gloves?
    No idea, I'm in no way religiois, in fact, I'd go as far as saying I'm anti religious, I think the world would be a much better place without it. I was just curious if halal icing was a thing
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    I actually read the label, and I think it's to do with the presence or absence of pork gelatin. And there was me thinking it was just sugar and water.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The strange part of this story is how did the ruling go against the baker in the first place when in Northern Ireland same sex marriage hasn't been passed in law ?

    So many people now want their cake and eat it.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    soapboxsam said:

    The strange part of this story is how did the ruling go against the baker in the first place when in Northern Ireland same sex marriage hasn't been passed in law ?

    So many people now want their cake and eat it.

    Or eat their cake and have it.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    The Red Robin said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
    They may not be homophobic, they just might not "support gay marriage".
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    edited October 2018
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
    They may not be homophobic, they just might not "support gay marriage".
    Same thing in my eyes - why else would you oppose it? It doesn't effect their lives at all.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    The Red Robin said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
    Because their God tells them to.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    SuedeAdidas said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
    Because their God tells them to.
    Ah the old excuse of a fictional character telling them it's wrong.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    It seems to have worked
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    The Red Robin said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    I haven't seen anyone being condemned. Refusing to pipe a message that you disagree with is hardly condemnation.

    But why do they disagree with it? Because they're homophobic.
    They may not be homophobic, they just might not "support gay marriage".
    Same thing in my eyes - why else would you oppose it? It doesn't effect their lives at all.
    It isn't the same thing imo. One can be perfectly happy with folk having gay relationships, but not recognise gay marriage (marriage - a religious church ceremony in this case). There are parishes that have openly gay clergy, but don't agree with gay mariage.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    That is true, but you can get married outside of a church.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    SuedeAdidas said:

    It seems to have worked

    Sadly.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    There are so many layers to cakegate but if there's one crumb of comfort; it's that gay men are as daft as straight guys if they want to get married !
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    soapboxsam said:

    There are so many layers to cakegate but if there's one crumb of comfort; it's that gay men are as daft as straight guys if they want to get married !

    There's nowt wrong with marriage in my opinion - 31 years of it and counting with my soul mate.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    That is true, but you can get married outside of a church.

    My point is that religious people, from across the board (well nearly), can have a positive opinion on gay relationships, but not agree with gay marriage. I also said "a religious church ceremony in this case" because it stated the bakery was "Christian"

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