I have a mate who voted leave simply because he hates David Cameron. I know somebody who voted leave to stop the terrorist immigrants - not a friend I must add. Mind you this Taxi driver probably is much more important than them as his reasons for voting trumps everybody elses!
I know someone who voted leave, because he wanted to enjoy the enduing chaos.
I know a fair few of these, they see themselves as living outside the mainstream bubble and like to be edgy and quirky. They think the whole thing is funny.
Surely there is time if Article 50 is reversed which can now happen?
This is true. Unfortunately neither party has indicated that it is willing to consider withdrawing article 50 - at this point it would be political suicide for either of them. I think this could only happen if there was a 2nd referendum (in which case the EU would almost certainly agree a suspension) followed by a remain vote which would lead to a withdrawal of art. 50.
most likely is a suspension offered by the EU as time runs out in my view, or a withdrawal dressed up as a suspension if the EU arent forthcoming. Agree a termination withdrawal only likely as a result of a referendum..
More and more people are voting against the establishment because they are voting against the establishment. When you don't have a pay rise for 10 years and politicians tell you how well you are doing, it can have that effect.
Ah so @southbank has finally blown the Soros dogwhistle.
Right then mate, I'll let you in on something. I'm a beneficiary of George Soros. To the tune of €1500.
What did I do with this money? Did I use this wall of money to set about subverting Czech or UK democracy to help him make more billions (as the alt.right would suppose and suggest).?
Well. I used it to set up the Czech version of the WhatDoTheyKnow website. The website used to force for example the full disclosure of the West Ham Olympic Stadium contract. The website that could assist you in getting information that would help you uncover whether George Soros had clandestinely contributed funds to some public body.
As a result of this I joined a community comprising some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. For example in Hungary the people who run the same FOI site have for their troubles been raided, physically threatened by police and shadowy private persons, had their computers taken, been subjected to spurious intimidating tax audits..for running a website which helps people use an active law to seek information about their own public bodies.
This is the sort of thing Soros' Open Society Fund does. You can easily go to their website and see what they do. I somehow doubt you will like it. But you will struggle to demonstrate that it is anti-democratic. It gives voice to the weak, the under-represented, the discriminated against. I think that is something a mature, self-confident democracy welcomes.
So I'd think twice before blowing that particular dogwhistle here, if I were you...
More and more people are voting against the establishment because they are voting against the establishment. When you don't have a pay rise for 10 years and politicians tell you how well you are doing, it can have that effect.
Agreed, I’d also add to that, the fact our FPTP system renders many people’s vote completely worthless they don’t feel engaged in democracy at all. So when they’re given the chance to be heard they’ll stick two fingers up at the system.
More and more people are voting against the establishment because they are voting against the establishment. When you don't have a pay rise for 10 years and politicians tell you how well you are doing, it can have that effect.
That is why the outcome of another referendum or peoples vote may not be as predictable as some people think. The British can be bloodyminded.
More and more people are voting against the establishment because they are voting against the establishment. When you don't have a pay rise for 10 years and politicians tell you how well you are doing, it can have that effect.
I don't disagree, but how perverse is it that amongst the leading Brexiteers are figures of the deepest historical establishment?
"I'm voting against the establishment by voting with the establishment".
More and more people are voting against the establishment because they are voting against the establishment. When you don't have a pay rise for 10 years and politicians tell you how well you are doing, it can have that effect.
That is why the outcome of another referendum or peoples vote may not be as predictable as some people think. The British can be bloodyminded.
Yes, and that is why you have to fall into it when nothing else works IMO. But May's deal v Remain is a safer bet that a Hard Brexit v Remain.
I have a mate who voted leave simply because he hates David Cameron. I know somebody who voted leave to stop the terrorist immigrants - not a friend I must add. Mind you this Taxi driver probably is much more important than them as his reasons for voting trumps everybody elses!
I know someone who voted leave, because he wanted to enjoy the enduing chaos.
I know a fair few of these, they see themselves as living outside the mainstream bubble and like to be edgy and quirky. They think the whole thing is funny.
I've come across a few who did not want to leave at all as they see the plus side of our membership but voted that way to "protest at Cameron's attempts at getting further concessions out of the EU" and who never expected us to follow it through.
Funniest thing for me last night was the cameraman catching Boris Johnson skulking away and having trouble undoing the lock on his bike. He wasn’t a happy fellow😀
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The British can be bloodyminded.
"I'm voting against the establishment by voting with the establishment".
Total bollox.
Terifffik
Especially as I'm never likely to vote for anyone representing her party..
Cheers for that...