Am I the only one noticing the parallels between brexit and the take over? Negotiations run by a complete incompetent idiot with wildly unrealistic expectations, a totally demoralized fan base (electorate) no way to properly progress whilst still under the cloud of uncertainty. Austerity of course... And the promise of a future deal with the aussies that might save us...
Labour drip on newsnight now pretty much sums them up. Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is. Embarrassing!
I’m starting to think she’s going to run the clock down and go for no deal. She’ll rather people died through lack of medicines then go back to the country.
She hates foreigners more then anything, and will do anything to stop them coming
Labour drip on newsnight now pretty much sums them up. Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is. Embarrassing!
You have just encountered Richard Burgon. That happened because Corbyn thinks he is "better" than the likes of Yvette Cooper. It's the political equivalent of replacing Yann with Polish Pete.
Whatever the outcome is I suggest we remove the Great from Great Britain as we are now a laughing stock. The likes of Germany, France, Spain etc will not take us seriously for a long time.
Oh and let's not forget the rogues gallery in the analogy:
Katrien = Cameron - who helped make the bumbling day to day decisions that got us into this mess then swiftly resigned and washed their hands of it.
RM= farrage - had people believing for a while but in honesty was where it all started to go bad. Would love to be relevant/in control but doesn't have the clout he thinks he has. "We won't have to sell our best players anymore"
Good ol' Sue = a general Tory whip/cabinet yes person (pick one) only interested in self preservation and following the leader - loves to spin
LDT: any of the many brexit secretaries- doesn't believe in his heart of hearts there will be a deal but keeps on plugging away because that's what he's paid for - to tow the company line. Happy to pay lip service to the people/fans til he is off.
I don't know enough about the internal politics of CAFC OR the government but I'm sure there's probably a Boris and a rees-mog analogue as well but you get the idea.
Labour drip on newsnight now pretty much sums them up. Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is. Embarrassing!
That is the second time I have seen this guy. Absolutely astounding. As an ex Labour voter I just feel ashamed that such second rate politicians with such third rate minds can make it to the Labour front bench and be allowed to speak to the media. Anna Soubry completely destroyed him and dismissed him for the joke that he is.
You should have seen Channel 4 News tonight. Not only Richard Burgon but also Andrew Bridgen, and Jon Snow was having one of his "not entirely on top of things" days, so it was car crash telly all round. I nearly turned over due to the sheer volume of secondhand embarrassment.
Oh and let's not forget the rogues gallery in the analogy:
Katrien = Cameron - who helped make the bumbling day to day decisions that got us into this mess then swiftly resigned and washed their hands of it.
RM= farrage - had people believing for a while but in honesty was where it all started to go bad. Would love to be relevant/in control but doesn't have the clout he thinks he has. "We won't have to sell our best players anymore"
Good ol' Sue = a general Tory whip/cabinet yes person (pick one) only interested in self preservation and following the leader - loves to spin
LDT: any of the many brexit secretaries- doesn't believe in his heart of hearts there will be a deal but keeps on plugging away because that's what he's paid for - to tow the company line. Happy to pay lip service to the people/fans til he is off.
I don't know enough about the internal politics of CAFC OR the government but I'm sure there's probably a Boris and a rees-mog analogue as well but you get the idea.
Flaxen-haired journalist about whom one is never sure where their true loyalty lies? Step forward Palace fan @LouisMend
Oh and let's not forget the rogues gallery in the analogy:
Katrien = Cameron - who helped make the bumbling day to day decisions that got us into this mess then swiftly resigned and washed their hands of it.
RM= farrage - had people believing for a while but in honesty was where it all started to go bad. Would love to be relevant/in control but doesn't have the clout he thinks he has. "We won't have to sell our best players anymore"
Good ol' Sue = a general Tory whip/cabinet yes person (pick one) only interested in self preservation and following the leader - loves to spin
LDT: any of the many brexit secretaries- doesn't believe in his heart of hearts there will be a deal but keeps on plugging away because that's what he's paid for - to tow the company line. Happy to pay lip service to the people/fans til he is off.
I don't know enough about the internal politics of CAFC OR the government but I'm sure there's probably a Boris and a rees-mog analogue as well but you get the idea.
Gove is a repulsive little man who hangs around like a bad smell doing fuck all, I wonder if there is anyone at the club like that ;-)
You should have seen Channel 4 News tonight. Not only Richard Burgon but also Andrew Bridgen, and Jon Snow was having one of his "not entirely on top of things" days, so it was car crash telly all round. I nearly turned over due to the sheer volume of secondhand embarrassment.
Yes....I saw it too & thought the same. Jon Snow had a mare.
I now reckon we wont leave the EU. Maraide MaGuinnes was adamant there could not be a border in Ireland.....and the backdrop definitely had yo be in place. The EU won't budge that's for certain. I have been saying for months.....we simply can not leave the EU if Brexit is to mean Brexit.
Although the bloke from the DUP did say on C4 earlier that there is nothing in the GFA about a border between the 2 countries. Anyone read it ??
Labour drip on newsnight now pretty much sums them up. Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is. Embarrassing!
That is the second time I have seen this guy. Absolutely astounding. As an ex Labour voter I just feel ashamed that such second rate politicians with such third rate minds can make it to the Labour front bench and be allowed to speak to the media. Anna Soubry completely destroyed him and dismissed him for the joke that he is.
You know how I recall my Poly days with the students who had adapted far left politics and kept trotting their mantras out even when the debate was about Student Union catering? Burgon did that. He started going on about how Soubry had been carrying out policies which are "an attack on the working classes". Soubry rolled her eyes, and when he carried on she interrupted with " We're her to talk about Brexit, man!" His response was pretty much "this (Brexit) cannot be seen in isolashun, but part of the wider struggle..".
I am sorry @MuttleyCAFC but there is no way you should believe Corbyn has some cunning plan to unite the opposition, when people like this are put forward to the unsuspecting public from his front bench. If you saw Soubry's reaction you'd have realised that.
I'm sharing this in the hope that inflicting it on you will free me of its curse, a bit like the video in Ringu/The Ring.
Rifkind has got some great tweets there. My particular favourite is "One Drunk Santa Helps Another Drunk Santa Vomit Into A Santa Hat Late At Night At Camden Town Tube Station". Now you might think that has also got something to do with Brexit, but it hasn't. The Brexit drunk Santa tweet is, "One Drunk Santa Snatches Away A Santa Hat That Another Drunk Santa Is Vomitng Into As They Try To Reach Mornington Crescent".
I'm confident that both Labour and Conservatives are equally capable of screwing things up. Useless across the board...
I think I'll back labour. Part of me refuses to believe it could be any worse. The other part of me (the part that licks 9v batteries) thinks that if it could get worse, I think I'd like to see it.
Labour drip on newsnight now pretty much sums them up. Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is. Embarrassing!
That is the second time I have seen this guy. Absolutely astounding. As an ex Labour voter I just feel ashamed that such second rate politicians with such third rate minds can make it to the Labour front bench and be allowed to speak to the media. Anna Soubry completely destroyed him and dismissed him for the joke that he is.
You know how I recall my Poly days with the students who had adapted far left politics and kept trotting their mantras out even when the debate was about Student Union catering? Burgon did that. He started going on about how Soubry had been carrying out policies which are "an attack on the working classes". Soubry rolled her eyes, and when he carried on she interrupted with " We're her to talk about Brexit, man!" His response was pretty much "this (Brexit) cannot be seen in isolashun, but part of the wider struggle..".
I am sorry @MuttleyCAFC but there is no way you should believe Corbyn has some cunning plan to unite the opposition, when people like this are put forward to the unsuspecting public from his front bench. If you saw Soubry's reaction you'd have realised that.
Thanks for the apology Prague. I don't really care that when we get the referendum you will continue to say that. Or that your solutions to the political crisis the World is in is a move to the neo-liberal centre. Good luck with that dillusion. Anyway, the important thing at this stage is that we stop Brexit. I am reminded of what I said on here when May first agreed her plan. If you want a softer Brexit than risk a hard one you have to support the plan. The route to no Brexit is on the same road as No Deal. If you want to stay in the EU you have to grow a pair and keep walking towards the cliff edge. You do have to have faith that the House will not allow a hard Brexit and if that doesn't happen, we may well be screwed.
I have noticed the bookies odds for a referendum were slashed after yesterday.
I have and I have not been impressed. Likewise, I could give you a list of Conservatives who are just as bad. And quite a few liberals too. I noticed their leader calling for a vote of no confidence yesterday that would have been lost. When you have one bullet in your gun, you need to be sure of your shot. He may offer more outside of the public eye for all I know. If you want to rest your whole argument on that, fair enough - go and join Henry and his mob.
I'm not asking you to support Corbyn - but this thread is about Brexit. We do have an agreement on where we want that to go. And I accept I may be totally wrong, but it is going how I predicted so far. We do have two objectives though and apologies but I think you only have one. The one i think we both share is the desire for another referendum. The important one I think you have missed is that referendum has to be won and how you get to it is important.
Anyway - now is the time for everybody to get on this useless governments back and try to do what we can to stop this madness that is going to damage the futures of our children.
You should have seen Channel 4 News tonight. Not only Richard Burgon but also Andrew Bridgen, and Jon Snow was having one of his "not entirely on top of things" days, so it was car crash telly all round. I nearly turned over due to the sheer volume of secondhand embarrassment.
Yes....I saw it too & thought the same. Jon Snow had a mare.
I now reckon we wont leave the EU. Maraide MaGuinnes was adamant there could not be a border in Ireland.....and the backdrop definitely had yo be in place. The EU won't budge that's for certain. I have been saying for months.....we simply can not leave the EU if Brexit is to mean Brexit.
Although the bloke from the DUP did say on C4 earlier that there is nothing in the GFA about a border between the 2 countries. Anyone read it ??
This on it's own may sink Brexit. The EU will logically back one of it's members (Ireland) against the weirdos trying to leave (UK)The sad fact is that a lot of the negotiating seems to have been done by people who want to take the UK back to 1880, with policemen riding bicycles across the village green, workhouses and everyone knowing their place, Sadly, it's 2018, and the UK needs to trade with other nations, which means making agreements to do so. As much as village numpties like Gove and Boris think we can just waltz up to the negotiating table, slap down a few demands, and be met with humilliated agreement by a bunch of Johnny foreigners, negotiations take two to agree, and we have to accept that. It basically makes hard brexit impossible to achieve without grinding the country to a halt.
You should have seen Channel 4 News tonight. Not only Richard Burgon but also Andrew Bridgen, and Jon Snow was having one of his "not entirely on top of things" days, so it was car crash telly all round. I nearly turned over due to the sheer volume of secondhand embarrassment.
Yes....I saw it too & thought the same. Jon Snow had a mare.
I now reckon we wont leave the EU. Maraide MaGuinnes was adamant there could not be a border in Ireland.....and the backdrop definitely had yo be in place. The EU won't budge that's for certain. I have been saying for months.....we simply can not leave the EU if Brexit is to mean Brexit.
Although the bloke from the DUP did say on C4 earlier that there is nothing in the GFA about a border between the 2 countries. Anyone read it ??
Strangely enough, yes, because prior to the referendum, both Governments issued a copy (including explanation) to everyone voting in that referendum, which made it clear, should anyone not have known, that it was in favour of a specific outcome - a little like the much-derided Government pro-EU membership brochure in 2016.
I would recommend reading the elements relating to Strand 2 (the North-South dimension of the Agreement which does make specific mention of the EU dimension). What I would say, however, is that, even if no specific mention had been made of the EU at all in the Agreement, it is implicit, because of the framework within which both Governments were operating at the time of the negotiations (just as no mention is made by any of us of our need to breathe oxygen when we post on CL), in the absence of the EU, the all-Ireland dimensions explored as a central plank of the GFA would have been much more difficult to agree.
I would also caution against accepting, at face value, interpretations of the GFA from people belonging to a political party that did not support the negotiations for and implementation of that Agreement for a number of years - there is a significant constituency within the DUP, as evidenced by the break down in talks in February, that has difficulty with the spirit (at the very least) of the Agreement. The statement made last night on C4 News (I fear by Sammy Wilson, but, then, given his level of expertise, hardly surprising) that the EU was only mentioned in terms of funding is just fundamentally bollocks of the highest order.
For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to have listened rather more to the likes of Mairead McGuinness than UK politicians seem willing to do, given her position both as an Irish politician and very senior MEP - she speaks with good knowledge of the consistent Irish and EU positions. And don't forget, the UK Government committed to no border infrastructure before talks began - a suspicious individual might wonder whether that is because the UK already believed that introducing new infrastructure would contravene the GFA.
I'm confident that both Labour and Conservatives are equally capable of screwing things up. Useless across the board...
I think I'll back labour. Part of me refuses to believe it could be any worse. The other part of me (the part that licks 9v batteries) thinks that if it could get worse, I think I'd like to see it.
You couldn't have lived through the 1970's then. Trade Unions. The fact that the current Labour Manifesto was co-written by them should strike fear into everyone.
I bet you didn't read the last Labour manifesto. Your critique of it would be the better for that I suspect! If you have read it, maybe it would be better to share the bits you don't or didn't like.
I'm confident that both Labour and Conservatives are equally capable of screwing things up. Useless across the board...
I think I'll back labour. Part of me refuses to believe it could be any worse. The other part of me (the part that licks 9v batteries) thinks that if it could get worse, I think I'd like to see it.
You couldn't have lived through the 1970's then. Trade Unions. The fact that the current Labour Manifesto was co-written by them should strike fear into everyone.
Quite right, born in 1980. For me it's all about the rampant, delicious capitalism.
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Gutless and pretty f***** useless. Trying to tow the party line, but like the rest hasn't got a scooby as to what it is.
Embarrassing!
She hates foreigners more then anything, and will do anything to stop them coming
Katrien = Cameron - who helped make the bumbling day to day decisions that got us into this mess then swiftly resigned and washed their hands of it.
RM= farrage - had people believing for a while but in honesty was where it all started to go bad. Would love to be relevant/in control but doesn't have the clout he thinks he has. "We won't have to sell our best players anymore"
Good ol' Sue = a general Tory whip/cabinet yes person (pick one) only interested in self preservation and following the leader - loves to spin
LDT: any of the many brexit secretaries- doesn't believe in his heart of hearts there will be a deal but keeps on plugging away because that's what he's paid for - to tow the company line. Happy to pay lip service to the people/fans til he is off.
I don't know enough about the internal politics of CAFC OR the government but I'm sure there's probably a Boris and a rees-mog analogue as well but you get the idea.
I now reckon we wont leave the EU. Maraide MaGuinnes was adamant there could not be a border in Ireland.....and the backdrop definitely had yo be in place. The EU won't budge that's for certain. I have been saying for months.....we simply can not leave the EU if Brexit is to mean Brexit.
Although the bloke from the DUP did say on C4 earlier that there is nothing in the GFA about a border between the 2 countries. Anyone read it ??
I have now earwormed myself with this
I'm sharing this in the hope that inflicting it on you will free me of its curse, a bit like the video in Ringu/The Ring.
I am sorry @MuttleyCAFC but there is no way you should believe Corbyn has some cunning plan to unite the opposition, when people like this are put forward to the unsuspecting public from his front bench. If you saw Soubry's reaction you'd have realised that.
I have noticed the bookies odds for a referendum were slashed after yesterday.
Simple straight question. Have you seen or even heard Richard Burgon in "action"?
For your information, he is the Shadow Justice Minister. He was hand-picked by Corbyn.
Yvette Cooper is a back-bencher.
I'm not asking you to support Corbyn - but this thread is about Brexit. We do have an agreement on where we want that to go. And I accept I may be totally wrong, but it is going how I predicted so far. We do have two objectives though and apologies but I think you only have one. The one i think we both share is the desire for another referendum. The important one I think you have missed is that referendum has to be won and how you get to it is important.
Anyway - now is the time for everybody to get on this useless governments back and try to do what we can to stop this madness that is going to damage the futures of our children.
Should you wish to read it, copies can be found on both the UK and Irish Government websites:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/136652/agreement.pdf
&
https://dfa.ie/media/dfa/alldfawebsitemedia/ourrolesandpolicies/northernireland/good-friday-agreement.pdf.
I would recommend reading the elements relating to Strand 2 (the North-South dimension of the Agreement which does make specific mention of the EU dimension). What I would say, however, is that, even if no specific mention had been made of the EU at all in the Agreement, it is implicit, because of the framework within which both Governments were operating at the time of the negotiations (just as no mention is made by any of us of our need to breathe oxygen when we post on CL), in the absence of the EU, the all-Ireland dimensions explored as a central plank of the GFA would have been much more difficult to agree.
I would also caution against accepting, at face value, interpretations of the GFA from people belonging to a political party that did not support the negotiations for and implementation of that Agreement for a number of years - there is a significant constituency within the DUP, as evidenced by the break down in talks in February, that has difficulty with the spirit (at the very least) of the Agreement. The statement made last night on C4 News (I fear by Sammy Wilson, but, then, given his level of expertise, hardly surprising) that the EU was only mentioned in terms of funding is just fundamentally bollocks of the highest order.
For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to have listened rather more to the likes of Mairead McGuinness than UK politicians seem willing to do, given her position both as an Irish politician and very senior MEP - she speaks with good knowledge of the consistent Irish and EU positions. And don't forget, the UK Government committed to no border infrastructure before talks began - a suspicious individual might wonder whether that is because the UK already believed that introducing new infrastructure would contravene the GFA.