Does anybody know who is financing the Peoples Vote campaign other than George Soros and the dry cleaning guy? They are bombarding MPs with specially commissioned polls for each constituency and opening shops with specially branded propaganda food. None of this comes cheap. Where is the money coming from?
Russia - they are feeling bad about what they did in 2016.
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled at being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
Does anybody know who is financing the Peoples Vote campaign other than George Soros and the dry cleaning guy? They are bombarding MPs with specially commissioned polls for each constituency and opening shops with specially branded propaganda food. None of this comes cheap. Where is the money coming from?
Russia - they are feeling bad about what they did in 2016.
I see the millionaire Roland Rudd is also financing it along with the millionaire Hungarian George Soros and the millionaire dry cleaning guy. Any other millionaires out there trying to subvert our democracy? Obviously they are not part of any elite, tho.
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled by being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
I agree with you entirely about the incompetent political class. It is a huge problem for us and, even leaving Brexit to one side, makes it impossible to fix any of our problems as a country. I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
Our democracy was subverted by illegal Brexit campaign funding, the malicious use of lies and disinformation by the Brexit campaign and the interference of Russia during the 2016 vote. The People’s Vote campaign are trying to right that wrong and therefore restore our democracy.
So you are not worried where the money is coming from when it is something you support, only if it is for something you oppose?
Southbank I love the way you keep fighting our corner but it's time to let it go. The reality is that the country is split 50 /50 but on Charlton life it's more like 95 /5in favour of remain. Just leave them to argue among themselves.
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled by being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
I agree with you entirely about the incompetent political class. It is a huge problem for us and, even leaving Brexit to one side, makes it impossible to fix any of our problems as a country. I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
I just wish the same groundswell of popular support could be channelled into a discussion of what is needed in the healthcare system or in schools. For some reason they do not have the same emotive and tribal appeal as the EU debate for most people though. It's a great shame as what happens in hospitals or schools is far more of a relevant topic than being in the EU or not.
Southbank I love the way you keep fighting our corner but it's time to let it go. The reality is that the country is split 50 /50 but on Charlton life it's more like 95 /5in favour of remain. Just leave them to argue among themselves.
I find it useful to understand where Remainers are coming from. It helps in broader campaigning and were there to be another referendum it will help when I am out campaigning. Also there are reasonable Remainers here who do engage sensibly and who make me think, as well as the swivel eyed foaming mouth fanatics (you know who you are). Also I believe that democracies need open debate now more than ever.
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it is wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it? Also I am giving flak to all the millionaires (definitely not part of the elites tho, just ordinary Joes))
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it us wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it?
Soros didn't launder his money via a third party.
At least you finally admitted Russia interfered in the referendum.
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled by being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
I agree with you entirely about the incompetent political class. It is a huge problem for us and, even leaving Brexit to one side, makes it impossible to fix any of our problems as a country. I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
More white working class in parliament is the answer.
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it is wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it? Also I am giving flak to all the millionaires (definitely not part of the elites tho, just ordinary Joes))
Does anybody know who is financing the Peoples Vote campaign other than George Soros and the dry cleaning guy? They are bombarding MPs with specially commissioned polls for each constituency and opening shops with specially branded propaganda food. None of this comes cheap. Where is the money coming from?
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled by being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
I agree with you entirely about the incompetent political class. It is a huge problem for us and, even leaving Brexit to one side, makes it impossible to fix any of our problems as a country. I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
More white working class in parliament is the answer.
It has been a while since that happened, but It would be a step forward to have more MPs who had some real experience of life outside the political bubble.
Does anybody know who is financing the Peoples Vote campaign other than George Soros and the dry cleaning guy? They are bombarding MPs with specially commissioned polls for each constituency and opening shops with specially branded propaganda food. None of this comes cheap. Where is the money coming from?
Russia - they are feeling bad about what they did in 2016.
I see the millionaire Roland Rudd is also financing it along with the millionaire Hungarian George Soros and the millionaire dry cleaning guy. Any other millionaires out there trying to subvert our democracy? Obviously they are not part of any elite, tho.
Where were you when Murdoch, Banks et all were pushing for a second referendum for many years.
A further comment from me...I've heard May saying she is off round the country over next few days and weeks to 'sell' her deal to the public.....that'll be the same public she won't give another vote to....so whats the point? What on earth does she hope to gain from such an action? I also heard her NOT answer two questions.. will we be better off outside the EU than in it? and if she looses the vote "will she resign"? Both questions she waffled about but did not give a direct answer. May is convinced, in her own mind,she has negotiated a good deal....however whether you voted Leave or Remain....this deal is poor for everyone involved. I hope its voted down and then May decides to ask the people "Is this the deal you want? or No deal? or keep the status quo? If she is so convinced ask the people!! UKIP are now in disarray, even Farage, (I've got my kids and I German Passports.. so stuff you lot) is trying to force the new leader out.....the old saying is you reap what you sow>
Surely at least a decent percentage of that 17.4 million are more disgruntled by being misled by the Leave campaign that it would be so easy to exit. Many must now realise that being in the EU is not the source of all of the UK's problems but instead it is the fault of a completely incompetent political class.
The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
I agree with you entirely about the incompetent political class. It is a huge problem for us and, even leaving Brexit to one side, makes it impossible to fix any of our problems as a country. I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
More white working class in parliament is the answer.
It has been a while since that happened, but It would be a step forward to have more MPs who had some real experience of life outside the political bubble.
Our democracy was subverted by illegal Brexit campaign funding, the malicious use of lies and disinformation by the Brexit campaign and the interference of Russia during the 2016 vote. The People’s Vote campaign is trying to right that wrong and therefore restore our democracy.
The People’s Vote ... yet another populist sound bite.
The previous vote was also voted for by the people ... or did we invite another species to vote?
Ah so @southbank has finally blown the Soros dogwhistle.
Right then mate, I'll let you in on something. I'm a beneficiary of George Soros. To the tune of €1500.
What did I do with this money? Did I use this wall of money to set about subverting Czech or UK democracy to help him make more billions (as the alt.right would suppose and suggest).?
Well. I used it to set up the Czech version of the WhatDoTheyKnow website. The website used to force for example the full disclosure of the West Ham Olympic Stadium contract. The website that could assist you in getting information that would help you uncover whether George Soros had clandestinely contributed funds to some public body.
As a result of this I joined a community comprising some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. For example in Hungary the people who run the same FOI site have for their troubles been raided, physically threatened by police and shadowy private persons, had their computers taken, been subjected to spurious intimidating tax audits..for running a website which helps people use an active law to seek information about their own public bodies.
This is the sort of thing Soros' Open Society Fund does. You can easily go to their website and see what they do. I somehow doubt you will like it. But you will struggle to demonstrate that it is anti-democratic. It gives voice to the weak, the under-represented, the discriminated against. I think that is something a mature, self-confident democracy welcomes.
So I'd think twice before blowing that particular dogwhistle here, if I were you...
Ah so @southbank has finally blown the Soros dogwhistle.
Right then mate, I'll let you in on something. I'm a beneficiary of George Soros. To the tune of €1500.
What did I do with this money? Did I use this wall of money to set about subverting Czech or UK democracy to help him make more billions (as the alt.right would suppose and suggest).?
Well. I used it to set up the Czech version of the WhatDoTheyKnow website. The website used to force for example the full disclosure of the West Ham Olympic Stadium contract. The website that could assist you in getting information that would help you uncover whether George Soros had clandestinely contributed funds to some public body.
As a result of this I joined a community comprising some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. For example in Hungary the people who run the same FOI site have for their troubles been raided, physically threatened by police and shadowy private persons, had their computers taken, been subjected to spurious intimidating tax audits..for running a website which helps people use an active law to seek information about their own public bodies.
This is the sort of thing Soros' Open Society Fund does. You can easily go to their website and see what they do. I somehow doubt you will like it. But you will struggle to demonstrate that it is anti-democratic. It gives voice to the weak, the under-represented, the discriminated against. I think that is something a mature, self-confident democracy welcomes.
So I'd think twice before blowing that particular dogwhistle here, if I were you...
He is openly campaigning to reverse Brexit and funding that campaign, whatever else good he does I do not appreciate him interfering in our elections, along with Obama etc when they did the same thing. Foreign interference is not welcome, whether from Russia or Hungary.
Ah so @southbank has finally blown the Soros dogwhistle.
Right then mate, I'll let you in on something. I'm a beneficiary of George Soros. To the tune of €1500.
What did I do with this money? Did I use this wall of money to set about subverting Czech or UK democracy to help him make more billions (as the alt.right would suppose and suggest).?
Well. I used it to set up the Czech version of the WhatDoTheyKnow website. The website used to force for example the full disclosure of the West Ham Olympic Stadium contract. The website that could assist you in getting information that would help you uncover whether George Soros had clandestinely contributed funds to some public body.
As a result of this I joined a community comprising some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. For example in Hungary the people who run the same FOI site have for their troubles been raided, physically threatened by police and shadowy private persons, had their computers taken, been subjected to spurious intimidating tax audits..for running a website which helps people use an active law to seek information about their own public bodies.
This is the sort of thing Soros' Open Society Fund does. You can easily go to their website and see what they do. I somehow doubt you will like it. But you will struggle to demonstrate that it is anti-democratic. It gives voice to the weak, the under-represented, the discriminated against. I think that is something a mature, self-confident democracy welcomes.
So I'd think twice before blowing that particular dogwhistle here, if I were you...
He is openly campaigning to reverse Brexit and funding that campaign, whatever else good he does I do not appreciate him interfering in our elections, along with Obama etc when they did the same thing. Foreign interference is not welcome, whether from Russia or Hungary.
I completely agree, first step, ban the foreign owned right wing press that has been poisoning the electorate for 30+ year. So that's an end to: The Daily Mail The Express The Sun The Times The Evening Standard
May is taking questions from the public on BBC News channel at 12:30. Text your question to 85058. I sent the following question.
Why do you keep claiming you are delivering what the people want when only 37% of the electorate voted leave and at least a million Leave voters have died since the referendum and in January living Remain voters will outnumber living Leave voters?
Yes, we should probably ignore the result of the 1975 referendum too, coz most of them voters are dead too.
Do you have any idea how horrible you just sounded?
This vileness is sadly typical of Remainers. They have only contempt for those who voted to Leave and speak about them in terms which would be seen as racist if applied to any other group.
The next referendum will see this elevated to new heights and will make our current culture war look mild by comparison.
This is complete nonsense. As a Remoaner I have contempt for the charlatans like Davis, B Johnson, Raab, Patterson, Fox, Gove, Duncan-Smith as well as Murdoch & Desmond & Dacre for misrepresenting everything about the EU and the benefits of leaving.
I quarrel with the odious Banks whose undermining and bankrolling of Brexit was done clearly to get access to millions of peoples data for his Go Slippy Insurance business and who now says if he he'd known how it would all have worked before he started, he would have backed remain.
I have utter contempt for Cameron, Osborne and those in the Tory Party who have played fast and lose with my children's future.
I am incandescent with rage at the disaster capitalists like Rees Mogg, Odey and advisors like John Redwood (who has advised his clients to remove their money from the UK and invest in the EU).
I reserve a large slice of my ire for Corbyn and McDonnell who are using this Tory Brexit to get what Benn, Shore and Castle failed to achieve in 1975.
I donate to the People’s Vote campaign, as do many thousands of individuals.
As for foreign interference, Murdoch has spent millions on his papers to spout misinformation on the EU, but that’s alright for you southie
I donate to the People's Vote campaign as well.
I also donate to the legal case that's about to go the ECJ to establish if A50 can be unilaterally withdrawn by UK.
I have donated to the case brought against the Electoral Commission for failing in their duty to adjudicate against the overspend/cheating by Vote Leave/Be Leave etc.
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it us wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it?
Soros didn't launder his money via a third party.
At least you finally admitted Russia interfered in the referendum.
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it us wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it?
Soros didn't launder his money via a third party.
At least you finally admitted Russia interfered in the referendum.
They certainly came round and forced me to vote. Remain, as it happens
Funny how despite the fact that whilst the People's Vote campaign has a multitude of financial supporters, only Soros gets any flak for being one of them.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
If it is wrong for Russia to try to influence our democracy why is it right for Soros to do it? Also I am giving flak to all the millionaires (definitely not part of the elites tho, just ordinary Joes))
Soros isn't doing it in a clandestine manner. He's not using stooges like Banks to front it for him. The money is not secret and it's not part of a political campaign that has restrictions on spending.
As others have said - and as with anything you don't like the answer to, you ignore - the right wing press has been spreading anti-EU propaganda for years.
You won't change your mind, we know that, and we can only surmise as to the real reasons you are so desperate to get out. But it's not because it will be good for the British people, that's for certain.
Our democracy was subverted by illegal Brexit campaign funding, the malicious use of lies and disinformation by the Brexit campaign and the interference of Russia during the 2016 vote. The People’s Vote campaign is trying to right that wrong and therefore restore our democracy.
The People’s Vote ... yet another populist sound bite.
The previous vote was also voted for by the people ... or did we invite another species to vote?
I hate the term People’s Vote. It is a second referendum. No different to second referendums held in many other countries when the government decides it needs to get the electorate to confirm a particular course is what they really want. Especially when that course has such radical consequences for generations to come and the original vote was so marginal. If you believe in democracy and the long term benefits of your Brexit vision why are you so afraid of a second confirming Referendum.
If you have been reading my posts as closely as you seem to intimate, then you must be aware that I am not against a second referendum if it goes that far.
In fact, on the original Brexit thread that was deleted, I predicted a second referendum just weeks after the first was finalised.
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The whole shambles must have made a lot of people question who they should really put their trust in and maybe wonder if the EU were ever that bad after all.
Obviously they are not part of any elite, tho.
I was hoping that Brexit would stimulate the emergence of real politucal leadership to replace the enfeebled managerialism which we have now. No sign of that yet. Staying in the EU will mean more of the same rubbish we have had for years.
The reality is that the country is split 50 /50 but on Charlton life it's more like 95 /5in favour of remain.
Just leave them to argue among themselves.
Also there are reasonable Remainers here who do engage sensibly and who make me think, as well as the swivel eyed foaming mouth fanatics (you know who you are).
Also I believe that democracies need open debate now more than ever.
And that flak seems to come exclusively from people with far-right tendencies.
Or that those who hate Soros don't seem to mind Russia or other foreign influence that actively disrupted the 2016 referendum.
At least you finally admitted Russia interfered in the referendum.
UKIP are now in disarray, even Farage, (I've got my kids and I German Passports.. so stuff you lot) is trying to force the new leader out.....the old saying is you reap what you sow>
The previous vote was also voted for by the people ... or did we invite another species to vote?
Right then mate, I'll let you in on something. I'm a beneficiary of George Soros. To the tune of €1500.
What did I do with this money? Did I use this wall of money to set about subverting Czech or UK democracy to help him make more billions (as the alt.right would suppose and suggest).?
Well. I used it to set up the Czech version of the WhatDoTheyKnow website. The website used to force for example the full disclosure of the West Ham Olympic Stadium contract. The website that could assist you in getting information that would help you uncover whether George Soros had clandestinely contributed funds to some public body.
As a result of this I joined a community comprising some of the most wonderful people I have ever met. For example in Hungary the people who run the same FOI site have for their troubles been raided, physically threatened by police and shadowy private persons, had their computers taken, been subjected to spurious intimidating tax audits..for running a website which helps people use an active law to seek information about their own public bodies.
This is the sort of thing Soros' Open Society Fund does. You can easily go to their website and see what they do. I somehow doubt you will like it. But you will struggle to demonstrate that it is anti-democratic. It gives voice to the weak, the under-represented, the discriminated against. I think that is something a mature, self-confident democracy welcomes.
So I'd think twice before blowing that particular dogwhistle here, if I were you...
Foreign interference is not welcome, whether from Russia or Hungary.
As for foreign interference, Murdoch has spent millions on his papers to spout misinformation on the EU, but that’s alright for you southie
The Daily Mail
The Express
The Sun
The Times
The Evening Standard
I'm sure there's more I've missed.
I quarrel with the odious Banks whose undermining and bankrolling of Brexit was done clearly to get access to millions of peoples data for his Go Slippy Insurance business and who now says if he he'd known how it would all have worked before he started, he would have backed remain.
I have utter contempt for Cameron, Osborne and those in the Tory Party who have played fast and lose with my children's future.
I am incandescent with rage at the disaster capitalists like Rees Mogg, Odey and advisors like John Redwood (who has advised his clients to remove their money from the UK and invest in the EU).
I reserve a large slice of my ire for Corbyn and McDonnell who are using this Tory Brexit to get what Benn, Shore and Castle failed to achieve in 1975. I donate to the People's Vote campaign as well.
I also donate to the legal case that's about to go the ECJ to establish if A50 can be unilaterally withdrawn by UK.
I have donated to the case brought against the Electoral Commission for failing in their duty to adjudicate against the overspend/cheating by Vote Leave/Be Leave etc.
Remain, as it happens
As others have said - and as with anything you don't like the answer to, you ignore - the right wing press has been spreading anti-EU propaganda for years.
You won't change your mind, we know that, and we can only surmise as to the real reasons you are so desperate to get out. But it's not because it will be good for the British people, that's for certain.
In fact, on the original Brexit thread that was deleted, I predicted a second referendum just weeks after the first was finalised.
Glad to see you dislike the term too.