As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
I dont believe anything you say eirher.... Especially evetytime someone mentions a name and you are a mate of theirs, twittered them or had a drink last week with them.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
I wish! I'm actually in America. I can multi task, keep up with the game while reading about a Brexiteer applying for an Irish passport.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
I wish! I'm actually in America. I can multi task, keep up with the game while reading about a Brexiteer applying for an Irish passport.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
I wish! I'm actually in America. I can multi task, keep up with the game while reading about a Brexiteer applying for an Irish passport.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
They do and i did...... Some people need putting in their place... Especially whingers.
So you admit you're a wind up merchant then? Like I said, brilliant. Pleased to know the future of our country is in such great hands.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
I admit nothing people like you should be thanking people like me who work all hours defending your little castle you call home. Ps why were you posting when the game was going on... Were you there.
I wish! I'm actually in America. I can multi task, keep up with the game while reading about a Brexiteer applying for an Irish passport.
And that's my cue... The thread done well! We talked about many interesting aspects... But peeps are missing the point while fellow fans like @ken_shabby and @CharltonMadrid are living through the reality of the post crash political discourse.
Populism, fake news and an isolationist approach vs a globalist view with appropriate regulation together with a sensible view about public service provision and tax base erosion.
We live in interesting times - and the web provides a wide variety of sources, newspapers and events / courses which people can subscribe if interested.
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
As i said before... Many bloody times... Cant recall anybody from ireland ever voting in my favour or asking me. Just recall dodging bombs for 20 years. So ireland never has or never will be of any interest to me.
Just for the record as i have also said before... I have an irish passport nailed to my own notice board at work as sadly my viscous barstard grandfather came from dublin.
But you presumably applied for that passport ? Would like to know why given your comments.
I have said this before. The guy opposite me at work who was a staunch remainer, like most on here harped on for months whinging about it and the factr he was going to move to Ireland, Scotland or wherever that was in the EU. He applied but his ancestry wss too adrift of the requirement. Mine wasn't sadly so i got one to shut him up. He is of course still there sitting opposite me. I didn't pay for the passport, the taxpayer did.
I don't believe that. You are on a wind up. People don't apply for passports just to win an argument about politics with a bloke at work. Do they?
I dont believe anything you say eirher.... Especially evetytime someone mentions a name and you are a mate of theirs, twittered them or had a drink last week with them.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
You may be right about a hard border, you may even know something regarding the solution that the rest of us don't know at present. How will a hard border be ushered in in the light of the Good Friday Agreement which is an international treaty? How do you envisage a hard border to be controlled and policed?
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
And what about those whose properties straddle the border? Do they get to choose which side they want to be on, and does the border get redrawn as a result?
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I’m confident you havnt been to that part of Ireland if you think the solution is as simple as you suggest.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I think you are being harsh. He knows what he's talking about. He is after all just back from a stint advising the Myanmar military in Rakhine State.
Before anyone comes in with the usual "elite liberal metropolitan establishment talking down the economy "expert" fake news remoaner remoaner remoaner" bile, this squares with more or less every report on the UK economy that has crossed my desk from both domestic and overseas fund managers.
Now with the facts out of the way, commence the usual head in the sand apologism.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I was in the Rose & Crown puffing my way through 20 B&H when the guvnor told me there had been a democratic vote to change the rules about smoking.
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside. I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I was in the Rose & Crown puffing my way through 20 B&H when the guvnor told me there had been a democratic vote to change the rules about smoking.
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside. I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
Yep, it was parliament that voted it through. Democracy in action
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I was in the Rose & Crown puffing my way through 20 B&H when the guvnor told me there had been a democratic vote to change the rules about smoking.
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside. I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
Yep, it was parliament that voted it through. Democracy in action
Yes, I guess they were enacting the will of the voters.
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I was in the Rose & Crown puffing my way through 20 B&H when the guvnor told me there had been a democratic vote to change the rules about smoking.
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside. I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
But you didn't own the seat and table at which you were sitting, and your family had not lived there for 3-4 hundred years, so I don't think the analogy actually works.
I won't even begin to discuss how the Rose and Crown was previously the snug of a bigger pub, but had been separated because of the violent threats of a minority of patrons in earlier times.
There is no doubt, however, that it's a back of a fag packet policy.
The simple fact of the matter is that Brexit (because of the likely implications of separate regulatory regimes, moving further apart with time and incompatible trading relationships, on industries in Northern Ireland) is going to be hugely damaging to the private sector here. Wherever the necessary controls are placed, and, with the UK outside of the Single Market and the Customs Union, there will have to be controls, it will hurt the economy here. Northern Ireland cannot afford to be cut off from either Britain or Ireland, as things stand.
It is clear that, with a few notable exceptions, including on this board, precious few people in England, at least, have given any thought (and appear incapable of providing a fcuk capable of flying) about what the currently evolving shape of Brexit means for Northern Ireland.
In the current climate, where the possibly entirely coincidental collapse of devolution helps create unwelcome uncertainty, Brexit is helping to harden attitudes in politics and society. If, by playing silly buggers, we make things worse than they have to be, the almost inevitable outcome is a rise in support for violence (because, yes, people are that stupid and cannot see beyond the end of their nose). A hard border then also offers easy targets.
Of course, I'm probably just being over dramatic, hysterical even.....
Just like the PSNI.
Forcing, or obliging, individuals to "choose" where they should live, as you suggested yesterday, does not have a particularly glorious, or even successful, history in Ireland, or elsewhere, all you do is store up additional grievances to fuel the flames of hatred (of which there is too much already, IMHO).
But Randy, if there is a violent outcome (which nobody wants) won't it be their own countrymen that are to blame ?
Hmmmn. It is OK to usher violence back in as long as there is somewhere to lay the blame? Really? If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour? I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
There will be a solution.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
I'm going to try very hard not to be derogatory about this "solution".
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
I was in the Rose & Crown puffing my way through 20 B&H when the guvnor told me there had been a democratic vote to change the rules about smoking.
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside. I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
Yep, it was parliament that voted it through. Democracy in action
Yes, I guess they were enacting the will of the voters.
Stuff changed and I was affected.
Seriously? You're equating the minor inconvenience caused to you by the smoking ban to the massive upheaval to millions, the local economy and, more than anything else, the unnecessary risk to innocent peoples lives with the reintroduction of a hard border and the inevitable collapse of the Good Friday Agreement.
I think @northernirishaddick has shown admirable restraint in his replies to your flippant remarks on a subject that will no doubt adversely effect himself and those he cares about.
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If it is about blame for violence in Ireland throughout History it is clearly down to the English unless you blame the Irish for reacting to centuries of English near genocidal behaviour?
I don't want violence to return and instead of searching for who to blame it is better to search for solutions.
Glad you've found your easy out for when it all goes tits up.
Populism, fake news and an isolationist approach vs a globalist view with appropriate regulation together with a sensible view about public service provision and tax base erosion.
We live in interesting times - and the web provides a wide variety of sources, newspapers and events / courses which people can subscribe if interested.
A hard border, so if you are a Republican or Unionist in NI or ROI - choose which side of it you want to live and go there.
How will a hard border be ushered in in the light of the Good Friday Agreement which is an international treaty?
How do you envisage a hard border to be controlled and policed?
It is, however, on a par with the nonsensical bollocks that extreme Republican Nationalists spout about people going back to where they came from (talking about the descendants of those arriving during the Ulster Plantation or even earlier).
You are talking, on both sides of the Nationalist/Unionist divide of people whose families, in most cases, will have lived in a location for hundreds of years. They do not just get up and move, because of political stupidity on the part of others. Inasmuch as they need to choose where they want to live, they have already done so. Forcing people to leave their homes, either at the barrel of a gun or by punitive political actions, is not a good look.
It's depressing, if your statement represents a wider view, that people can be so dismissive about their fellow subjects/citizens/human beings.
Now with the facts out of the way, commence the usual head in the sand apologism.
https://gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/654714/Preparing_for_our_future_UK_trade_policy_Report_Web_Accessible.pdf
He said I had a choice - give up smoking or do it outside.
I protested that I had been puffing away for years in there without any issue.
He said - sorry, but the rules have changed and you have to change your behaviour to suit.
Stuff changed and I was affected.
I won't even begin to discuss how the Rose and Crown was previously the snug of a bigger pub, but had been separated because of the violent threats of a minority of patrons in earlier times.
There is no doubt, however, that it's a back of a fag packet policy.
The simple fact of the matter is that Brexit (because of the likely implications of separate regulatory regimes, moving further apart with time and incompatible trading relationships, on industries in Northern Ireland) is going to be hugely damaging to the private sector here. Wherever the necessary controls are placed, and, with the UK outside of the Single Market and the Customs Union, there will have to be controls, it will hurt the economy here. Northern Ireland cannot afford to be cut off from either Britain or Ireland, as things stand.
It is clear that, with a few notable exceptions, including on this board, precious few people in England, at least, have given any thought (and appear incapable of providing a fcuk capable of flying) about what the currently evolving shape of Brexit means for Northern Ireland.
In the current climate, where the possibly entirely coincidental collapse of devolution helps create unwelcome uncertainty, Brexit is helping to harden attitudes in politics and society. If, by playing silly buggers, we make things worse than they have to be, the almost inevitable outcome is a rise in support for violence (because, yes, people are that stupid and cannot see beyond the end of their nose). A hard border then also offers easy targets.
Of course, I'm probably just being over dramatic, hysterical even.....
Just like the PSNI.
Forcing, or obliging, individuals to "choose" where they should live, as you suggested yesterday, does not have a particularly glorious, or even successful, history in Ireland, or elsewhere, all you do is store up additional grievances to fuel the flames of hatred (of which there is too much already, IMHO).
I think @northernirishaddick has shown admirable restraint in his replies to your flippant remarks on a subject that will no doubt adversely effect himself and those he cares about.
What is hard brexit anyway, does anybody know?