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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • Jacob Rees-Mogg has put in a call for a vote of no confidence in May, has just stated he would not stand for leader and has is also reported as follows’ ‘There are “streams of talent” in the Conservative party, and plenty of people who could be leader.’ He names a series of Brexiters, including Boris Johnson and David Davis.

    What a stream of talent that is.

    I don't really see any outstanding leaders in the Tory party. I know I'll get flamed for this but my choice would be JRM.....But certainly wouldn't want any of the recent cabinet, esp not Bojo or Davies.

    I think it's time for a vote of No Confidence in the government.....Have a GE & start afresh.
  • So, when will TM capitulate & tell the EU that their plan is dead in the water & that it's either back to the drawing board or exit with no deal. Seems daft now to wait for the 27 to agree it when it's known that the 1 won't agree to it. Let's not waste another 3 weeks (I believe the meaningful vote is set for the 10th Dec) dicking about.....might as well just vote on it now & get it over with.

    Amendments, deals within deals, promises and bribes, threats all still to be done. There’s a lot to play for still.


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  • bobmunro said:

    Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
    With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned

    Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
    Letters Page:
    'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
    so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
    of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'

    Serious food for thought!

    Serious food for thought? Bollox.

    Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.

    Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.
    The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
    As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. At the risk of annoying @Henry Irving, your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.

    With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.

    And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
    I'm really confused about his reference to the "enemy". Does he realise we aren't military allies? I'm sure he sees our Brexit stance as a betrayal, and thinks we are somehow traitors despite being an independent sovereign nation.
  • Huskaris said:

    Guy screaming over the press conference "Stop Brexit" with a megaphone should be shot in the face. Some people want to hear everyone's point of views.

    Unlikely that you'd hear any views any time soon with a shooting outside Parliament....
  • edited November 2018

    bobmunro said:

    Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
    With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned

    Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
    Letters Page:
    'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
    so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
    of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'

    Serious food for thought!

    Serious food for thought? Bollox.

    Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.

    Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.
    The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
    As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. At the risk of annoying @Henry Irving, your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.

    With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.

    And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
    @NornIrishAddick Rather offensive and borderline anti-Semitic to suggest that because I call out antisemitism that a critical comment about Israel dating back to 1982 would draw my "ire". Please don't go down that road. It is perfectly possible to be critical of the actions of the Israeli state and be anti-antisemitism .
    Apologies, I was attempting to avoid seeming too hectoring...

    My only attempted defence is that I have a "unique" sense of humour.

    I'll amend.
  • edited November 2018
    el-pietro said:

    bobmunro said:

    Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
    With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned

    Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
    Letters Page:
    'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
    so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
    of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'

    Serious food for thought!

    Serious food for thought? Bollox.

    Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.

    Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.
    The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
    As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.

    With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.

    And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
    I'm really confused about his reference to the "enemy". Does he realise we aren't military allies? I'm sure he sees our Brexit stance as a betrayal, and thinks we are somehow traitors despite being an independent sovereign nation.
    Don't forget neutral....

    So the UK's achievement in getting EEC support for sanctions was really quite impressive.
  • Huskaris said:

    Guy screaming over the press conference "Stop Brexit" with a megaphone should be shot in the face. Some people want to hear everyone's point of views.

    Bit extreme
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  • bobmunro said:

    Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
    With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned

    Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
    Letters Page:
    'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
    so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
    of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'

    Serious food for thought!

    Serious food for thought? Bollox.

    Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.

    Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.
    The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
    As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. At the risk of annoying @Henry Irving, your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.

    With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.

    And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
    @NornIrishAddick Rather offensive and borderline anti-Semitic to suggest that because I call out antisemitism that a critical comment about Israel dating back to 1982 would draw my "ire". Please don't go down that road. It is perfectly possible to be critical of the actions of the Israeli state and be anti-antisemitism .
    Apologies, I was attempting to avoid seeming too hectoring...

    My only attempted defence is that I have a "unique" sense of humour.

    I'll amend.
    No problem, apology accepted.

    I never knew that about the arms sales so I learnt something today.
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg has put in a call for a vote of no confidence in May, has just stated he would not stand for leader and has is also reported as follows’ ‘There are “streams of talent” in the Conservative party, and plenty of people who could be leader.’ He names a series of Brexiters, including Boris Johnson and David Davis.

    What a stream of talent that is.

    I don't really see any outstanding leaders in the Tory party. I know I'll get flamed for this but my choice would be JRM.....But certainly wouldn't want any of the recent cabinet, esp not Bojo or Davies.

    I think it's time for a vote of No Confidence in the government.....Have a GE & start afresh.
    JRM is a man who publicly supports policies that he privately advises will be extremely damaging to the UK.

    He would never accept any position higher than a backbencher anyway otherwise he opens his personal business to the kind of scrutiny that he wants to avoid.
  • Fiiish said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has put in a call for a vote of no confidence in May, has just stated he would not stand for leader and has is also reported as follows’ ‘There are “streams of talent” in the Conservative party, and plenty of people who could be leader.’ He names a series of Brexiters, including Boris Johnson and David Davis.

    What a stream of talent that is.

    I don't really see any outstanding leaders in the Tory party. I know I'll get flamed for this but my choice would be JRM.....But certainly wouldn't want any of the recent cabinet, esp not Bojo or Davies.

    I think it's time for a vote of No Confidence in the government.....Have a GE & start afresh.
    JRM is a man who publicly supports policies that he privately advises will be extremely damaging to the UK.

    He would never accept any position higher than a backbencher anyway otherwise he opens his personal business to the kind of scrutiny that he wants to avoid.
    JRM wears a double breasted suit, knows Latin and has been good to his nanny so would make an ideal PM. A completely idiotic choice so I assume the Tories will go for it.

  • Fiiish said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has put in a call for a vote of no confidence in May, has just stated he would not stand for leader and has is also reported as follows’ ‘There are “streams of talent” in the Conservative party, and plenty of people who could be leader.’ He names a series of Brexiters, including Boris Johnson and David Davis.

    What a stream of talent that is.

    I don't really see any outstanding leaders in the Tory party. I know I'll get flamed for this but my choice would be JRM.....But certainly wouldn't want any of the recent cabinet, esp not Bojo or Davies.

    I think it's time for a vote of No Confidence in the government.....Have a GE & start afresh.
    JRM is a man who publicly supports policies that he privately advises will be extremely damaging to the UK.

    He would never accept any position higher than a backbencher anyway otherwise he opens his personal business to the kind of scrutiny that he wants to avoid.
    JRM wears a double breasted suit, knows Latin and has been good to his nanny so would make an ideal PM. A completely idiotic choice so I assume the Tories will go for it.

    Ah, you were being ironic . Poor old @cafcsayer. He liked your previous post.



  • Fiiish said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has put in a call for a vote of no confidence in May, has just stated he would not stand for leader and has is also reported as follows’ ‘There are “streams of talent” in the Conservative party, and plenty of people who could be leader.’ He names a series of Brexiters, including Boris Johnson and David Davis.

    What a stream of talent that is.

    I don't really see any outstanding leaders in the Tory party. I know I'll get flamed for this but my choice would be JRM.....But certainly wouldn't want any of the recent cabinet, esp not Bojo or Davies.

    I think it's time for a vote of No Confidence in the government.....Have a GE & start afresh.
    JRM is a man who publicly supports policies that he privately advises will be extremely damaging to the UK.

    He would never accept any position higher than a backbencher anyway otherwise he opens his personal business to the kind of scrutiny that he wants to avoid.
    JRM wears a double breasted suit, knows Latin and has been good to his nanny so would make an ideal PM. A completely idiotic choice so I assume the Tories will go for it.

    Ah, you were being ironic . Poor old @cafcsayer. He liked your previous post.



    May wears a Freda Kahlo bracelet which is very cool.

    Still not going to make me vote for her.
  • I wish I had a hedge fund in Ireland.
  • Theresa May has called a press conference for 5pm...
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  • se9addick said:

    Theresa May has called a press conference for 5pm...

    I wonder?
  • I don’t actually think she will, she’ll go down with the ship
  • bobmunro said:

    se9addick said:

    Theresa May has called a press conference for 5pm...

    I wonder?
    We can only hope....
  • If there was to be a (dreadful) second vote there need only be two options.

    Theresa May's deal.
    Remain.

    Sorted
  • se9addick said:

    Theresa May has called a press conference for 5pm...

    I wouldn't get any hopes up. Theresa May's political career is a series of opportunities to do the principled thing and subsequently completely ignoring those opportunities. Her bizarre performance today displayed her complete refusal to recognise that she has lost the support of her party, the House, and the voters. She thinks if she can keep her head down and press on until March then she is doing a good job. For better or for worse, it looks like the wheels are in motion to remove her from power. But this press conference, I predict, will simply be her reaffirming her resolute dedication to the path she has chosen. She should do the principled thing and resign, but she will not.
  • Fiiish said:

    se9addick said:

    Theresa May has called a press conference for 5pm...

    I wouldn't get any hopes up. Theresa May's political career is a series of opportunities to do the principled thing and subsequently completely ignoring those opportunities. Her bizarre performance today displayed her complete refusal to recognise that she has lost the support of her party, the House, and the voters. She thinks if she can keep her head down and press on until March then she is doing a good job. For better or for worse, it looks like the wheels are in motion to remove her from power. But this press conference, I predict, will simply be her reaffirming her resolute dedication to the path she has chosen. She should do the principled thing and resign, but she will not.
    i know as a poster you are clearly not a fan of may, but at present the conservatives are in power how do you get a leader of a party when there is no one in the party that wants to lead?.
  • I might try this at home with the missus...

    https://bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06rvqg8

    ..."but 80% of the public agree I should get to chose what film we watch tonight!"
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