Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick' With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror Letters Page: 'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves. so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Serious food for thought? Bollox.
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result. The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
I point the finger at the government of the day who sleepwalked into that conflict while at the same time was was making plans to reduce our navy’s size and ability to defend our dependencies. A convenient truth that gets forgotten when we had such fine win that killed hundreds, maimed hundreds and caused and everlasting bad feelings on many fronts. Every prime minister seems to want to be remembered by a conflict, I wonder what T May’s will be?
Really? Funny, I point the finger at the fascist imperialist argentine government that were also busy sheltering nazis.
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
Exactly, who has ?
Journos, Corbyn and Nigel Farages lawyers (apparently)
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Half the people never wanted Brexit so would always have said no to whatever deal. The other half had such a myriad of reasons for wanting Brexit no deal was ever going to please more than 25-50% of them so the poll result is hardly surprising
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
I have not read it all. And I frequently have trouble understanding stuff. However with regard to one of my special interests, the Irish Border, the deal proposed a period of time (which is confusingly called either a transitional period, or an implementation period) where essentially things stay the same with regards to a customs union and single market until a solution to the irish land border can be found. This period of time lasts for two years initially. If in that time no solution is found (and the hope is that the solution is a UK-EU free trade deal) the implementation/transition period is extended. Not indefinitely but until 20XX. (yes really 20XX) The scope is for the whole of the rest of this century.
If my reading is right, my informed opinion is that a hard border is practically not doable, and not doable unless the GFA no longer holds sway. Therefore we have a cherry picking situation where the UK wants the benefits of free trade with the EU, but the EU does not want non EU regulated stuff flowing freely into the EU across the Irish or any other border. If the UK can't guarantee that with all the rules and regulations in place to hold the UK to it's word, then the transition/implementation situation remains indefinitely. Which is the famous BINO.
Is it any surprise this is turning into a humongous fuck up?
Well I for one am shocked to the core - during the referendum campaign and afterwards we were being told in no uncertain terms by some that this would be the easiest deal ever to negotiate.
Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick' With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror Letters Page: 'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves. so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Serious food for thought? Bollox.
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result. The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
I point the finger at the government of the day who sleepwalked into that conflict while at the same time was was making plans to reduce our navy’s size and ability to defend our dependencies. A convenient truth that gets forgotten when we had such fine win that killed hundreds, maimed hundreds and caused and everlasting bad feelings on many fronts. Every prime minister seems to want to be remembered by a conflict, I wonder what T May’s will be?
Really? Funny, I point the finger at the fascist imperialist argentine government that were also busy sheltering nazis.
Yes really. You don’t have fight a war when you can avoid one. As what happened 4 years previously when David Owen sent 4 ships south as a show of force. If you may remember Lord Carrington resigned because it happened on his watch while he did nothing but allowing mixed messages go out.
Is it any surprise this is turning into a humongous fuck up?
Well I for one am shocked to the core - during the referendum campaign and afterwards we were being told in no uncertain terms by some that this would be the easiest deal ever to negotiate.
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
A lot of common sense there from Ken Clarke. In short he said she might just as well tell the hard Brexiteers to ‘do one’ and go for a softer Brexit. She would stand more chance of getting that through a parliamentary vote.
Ken Clarke just repeated this message on C4 News. Ideal man for new Brexit Secretary 😊
Said Mogg and his nationalists are a waste of time as is Corbyn and his followers.
Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick' With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror Letters Page: 'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves. so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Serious food for thought? Bollox.
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result. The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
What both articles highlight is that France, which equates to "the French" did, whatever their personal views, seek to assist the UK.
Some French technicians, at the same time, worked to assist the Argentinian Junta, but that was clearly them acting as individuals and on their own initiative.
If you are going to conflate such a small group with an entire nation, you might as well argue (with due acknowledgement of Godwin's Law) that because some British people were or are pro-Nazi or pro-Stalin, that all British people were or are Nazis or Stalinists.
But you know, hey, reading comprehension and all that...
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!
Tbf, how can anyone right here & now offer an informed opinion on her deal, when we haven't seen it ? Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)
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Ok, we've been given the headlines, but not the minutiae.
And I frequently have trouble understanding stuff.
However with regard to one of my special interests, the Irish Border, the deal proposed a period of time (which is confusingly called either a transitional period, or an implementation period) where essentially things stay the same with regards to a customs union and single market until a solution to the irish land border can be found.
This period of time lasts for two years initially.
If in that time no solution is found (and the hope is that the solution is a UK-EU free trade deal) the implementation/transition period is extended.
Not indefinitely but until 20XX. (yes really 20XX)
The scope is for the whole of the rest of this century.
If my reading is right, my informed opinion is that a hard border is practically not doable, and not doable unless the GFA no longer holds sway. Therefore we have a cherry picking situation where the UK wants the benefits of free trade with the EU, but the EU does not want non EU regulated stuff flowing freely into the EU across the Irish or any other border.
If the UK can't guarantee that with all the rules and regulations in place to hold the UK to it's word, then the transition/implementation situation remains indefinitely.
Which is the famous BINO.
I'd like to read it.
Said Mogg and his nationalists are a waste of time as is Corbyn and his followers.
If you could flick through this and give us a summary by tomorrow morning it would be appreciated.
We were never going to vote leave as all the polls before it happened said