The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
First, stop no deal exit. That is the first responsibility of all MPs. Then, once that has been achieved, anti Brexit MPs can start working on a second referendum.
There are posters here who will say this mess is caused by Barnier, Corbyn, Varadkar, Soros, Merkle, Uncle Tom Cobley and Karel Fraeye. No. It is down to those who voted brexit.
Not really- I blame Cameron for the binary vote in the first place and this government for the most appalling negotiation strategy since the Middle East hostage crises’
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
It'll at least answer the question of what brexit people want.
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
Has to be binding with clear and precise question. Nation told the outcome will be adhered to regardless. Simple majority enough
I do get annoyed hearing Brexiters telling us what the referendum was about. The whole problem was that it was about something different for different people! For them to say May's deal wasn't Brexit - well as a remainer - it felt like Brexit to me. It is just that common sense dictates we can't have a hard Brexit, which was not offered as a choice in the referendum. The problem is, because all of these issues that were skirted over by leave, you can't leave in the way people were promised.
Is 'Call me Dave' still hiding under his rock? Probably the biggest political failed gamble ever, promising the EU referendum if he got voted in.......!
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
Has to be binding with clear and precise question. Nation told the outcome will be adhered to regardless. Simple majority enough
What would the precise question be? I can think of four potential options now - no Brexit, no deal Brexit, this deal Brexit and different deal Brexit.
I don’t see how that could really be resolved via a referendum.
I think realistically though, we are looking at three - a different deal Brexit would need the EU agreeing to kick the can miles down the road - not sure they will do that! The fact is, this is what has been negotiated. For all sides, a referendum would provide the clarity which common sense demands!
I think realistically though, we are looking at three - a different deal Brexit would need the EU agreeing to kick the can miles down the road - not sure they will do that! The fact is, this is what has been negotiated. For all sides, a referendum would provide the clarity which common sense demands!
I’m really not sure it would though, I actually think it would send us back to square one with very little additional clarity provided.
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
The government now has an proposal that is agreed with Europe which would form the basis of a referendum question for the people to endorse, a no deal Brexit is plain suicide but if people need that on the ballot then so be it and of course you have the choice of remain
Anyone know which of the six Labour tests this agreement fails?
Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union? Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities? Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime? Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
All six arguably
Don’t think so.
The fact that the draft has no clarity about the future relationship of the UK with the EU means that all of the tests can be argued as to fail.
It is a withdrawal agreement. The new trade agreement and future relationship negotiations start after 29 March. Meanwhile I, and most businesses, will be happy with the UK wide backstop that keeps us in the customs union and single market.
Absolutely.
It's the political statement that's of interest for the future relationship, but Barnier was careful not to say anything about whether the proposed transitional status would form the basis for a future deal (mostly because it is likely that some of the EU27 would be unhappy with that suggestion.
The only thing I don’t like about this deal is that we have no say in any new EU rules we may be subjected to over the next few years. But that serves us right for allowing this Brexit shitfest in the first place.
If Kate Hoey hates it it has to be good for the country.
Labour have to be very careful here. Parliament’s paramount responsibility is to avoid a no deal exit.
Agree and Tony Blairs comments yesterday support this view too.
A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
I keep hearing a second referendum is needed, but what if the result was the same, with leave getting the nod? How will it help?
The government now has an proposal that is agreed with Europe which would form the basis of a referendum question for the people to endorse, a no deal Brexit is plain suicide but if people need that on the ballot then so be it and of course you have the choice of remain
It is suicide, but some politicians seem to favour it.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
Accept the result, people will have seen the options, not unicorns of more money and no economic damage, and if the people want that, let them.
May makes a credible statement to the house but with plenty of barracking, laughter and shouting off.
Essentially, she's saying is that this is as good as we're going to get, the final deal (rather then just this withdrawal agreement) is better then Norway or Canada, we'll have our own points based immigration system with no favoured countries and a free trade deal.
of course, she would say that, wouldn't she.
So, it's not perfect but this is just a temporary step and there is a wonderful future on the horizon.
Somehow I don't think everyone will see it that way but now we see how many are willing to risk their jobs and their place in government.
May touched on what I think will be here main sales line for this. People are fed up with this, this is as good as it gets, time to move on to more important things.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
We leave and everybody stops arguing about it! No time for anything else to happen.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
The government position is the agreed deal on offer or no Brexit. I think the nation can live with those choices
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
Accept the result, people will have seen the options, not unicorns of more money and no economic damage, and if the people want that, let them.
Yep and that is one reason many brexiters don't want another vote.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
The government position is the agreed deal on offer or no deal. I think the nation can live with those choices
I think some can, but millions can't and I think there are enough MPs, voted in by the people who can't. At least I hope there are.
Seems pretty obvious to me that the politicians are not going to resolve this. The government and Tories are split with irreconcilable differences. Labour can’t support the deal and have their own agenda. DUP and SNP have already said they won’t vote for it.
There is now only one option. A second referendum. No other option. Clear question and binding.
you have the 2nd referendum - leave wins again - then what?
The government position is the agreed deal on offer or no deal. I think the nation can live with those choices
I think some can, but millions can't and I think there are enough MPs, voted in by the people who can't. At least I hope there are.
Sorry I meant no Brexit, a no deal doesn't really have any support
May responding to Corbyn with hesitation and difficulty. She needs to sort out what is meant by transition and implementation. We are watching the end of her regime.
I think it was a good response. Anyway, even if people disagree, May's deal isn't going to get through the commons. That is clear now. Parliament will not accept a hard Brexit so we are heading for a referendum or an election. It seems another referendum would be the best step May could take from her perspective, but the government have promised theri won't be one.
I think it was a good response. Anyway, even if people disagree, May's deal isn't going to get through the commons. That is clear now. Parliament will not accept a hard Brexit so we are heading for a referendum or an election. It seems another referendum would be the best step May could take from her perspective, but the government have promised theri won't be one.
After breaking so many recent promises you think May is likely to stick to this one?
I think it is her best option. In all honesty, she called an election because she thought she needed more support in the house (and she was pretty sure she was going to get it) and she ended up getting less. We were always heading to this point since then.
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A second referendum is now the only solution. Anything else will still be hugely divisive and damaging.
Probably the biggest political failed gamble ever, promising the EU referendum if he got voted in.......!
I don’t see how that could really be resolved via a referendum.
It's the political statement that's of interest for the future relationship, but Barnier was careful not to say anything about whether the proposed transitional status would form the basis for a future deal (mostly because it is likely that some of the EU27 would be unhappy with that suggestion.
Essentially, she's saying is that this is as good as we're going to get, the final deal (rather then just this withdrawal agreement) is better then Norway or Canada, we'll have our own points based immigration system with no favoured countries and a free trade deal.
of course, she would say that, wouldn't she.
So, it's not perfect but this is just a temporary step and there is a wonderful future on the horizon.
Somehow I don't think everyone will see it that way but now we see how many are willing to risk their jobs and their place in government.
May touched on what I think will be here main sales line for this. People are fed up with this, this is as good as it gets, time to move on to more important things.
She needs to sort out what is meant by transition and implementation.
We are watching the end of her regime.