@Southbank hits the nail on the head - again Varoufakis makes the same points albeit from the left about the EU. If the next ten years are not resolved in an orderly fashion then it will be disorderly. We are in a post great recession environment which some view as just as volatile as the 1930s.
The Brexit referendum was simply the pivot into this new era. @stig asks above and there are a plethora stories across the West showing an increase in far right populist and those of the left too! The old centre left/centre right model is creaking due to perceived failure, new entrants as well as a touch of corruption and nepotism.
How is the election of Eurosceptic billionaire Andrej Babis and the massive shrinking of the pro European parties in the Czech elections being seen in Prague?
In Prague? Well in this house, the citizen with the vote- my wife- is extremely pissed off. In Prague 6 where we live, much the same, as ANO only got 15% on a turnout far higher than national average. And across Prague, they got 20% compared to the national figure of 30%. Does this start to sound familiar? However the EU hardly registers as an issue, and Babis cannot be seen as a straightforward populist, even if I despise him almost as much as I do Farage and Johnson.
If I were you, I would go back to not worrying about a faraway country of which you know little ( to quote that pathetic twat Neville Chamberlain)
So it's not post vote as Osborne along with others suggested? Is it after the triggering of Article 50 or after we've actually left?
I still don't get this 'bottom of the EU' in relation to growth. It fluctuates year on year and I would expect the smaller EU economies to show significant growth now they benefit from their EU membership.
I really do see the disadvantages to leaving the EU, but I'm determined to try and be positive about it. I'm surprised so many on here seem to revel in our nations failings rather than celebrate the successes.
You mean we must make more optimistic forecasts about poor economic numbers. Where have I heard that before.
How is the election of Eurosceptic billionaire Andrej Babis and the massive shrinking of the pro European parties in the Czech elections being seen in Prague?
In Prague? Well in this house, the citizen with the vote- my wife- is extremely pissed off. In Prague 6 where we live, much the same, as ANO only got 15% on a turnout far higher than national average. And across Prague, they got 20% compared to the national figure of 30%. Does this start to sound familiar? However the EU hardly registers as an issue, and Babis cannot be seen as a straightforward populist, even if I despise him almost as much as I do Farage and Johnson.
If I were you, I would go back to not worrying about a faraway country of which you know little ( to quote that pathetic twat Neville Chamberlain)
Which is why I asked.
Wasn't even aware there was a vote in the Czech Republic, which is surprising as the recent other EU votes have been well 'advertised' in the U.K. Media.
Thanks for educating me though with your deep and comprehensive coverage of an election in a country where you live.
Surprised about the Chamberlain reference. Is Merkel eyeing up the Sudetenland then?
So it's not post vote as Osborne along with others suggested? Is it after the triggering of Article 50 or after we've actually left?
I still don't get this 'bottom of the EU' in relation to growth. It fluctuates year on year and I would expect the smaller EU economies to show significant growth now they benefit from their EU membership.
I really do see the disadvantages to leaving the EU, but I'm determined to try and be positive about it. I'm surprised so many on here seem to revel in our nations failings rather than celebrate the successes.
You mean we must make more optimistic forecasts about poor economic numbers. Where have I heard that before.
Otherwise we're traitors.
It's the ignoring of strong economic numbers to highlight perceived poor areas that annoys me. It's about balance.
Not everything is rosy in the garden, as I am well aware of, particularly as they are repeatedly shouted from the rooftops by the same half dozen people on this thread. None of whom ever seem to mention the positives since the vote.
It does seem as if you are desperate for Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so".
Traitors? Not sure where you get that from. But feel free to twist any posts from any poster who challenges the negativity.
Well I was at the wrong end of a good bottle of wine, so apologies for my tone at the end, but it seemed to me that you were trying to suggest that the Czech general election was all about the EU. It was not. As for why it has not been covered in the U K media, the answer lies in the insular nature of the U.K. Media and its customers. It has been covered in organs such as the FT and the Guardian.
The issues with Babis are mainly that he is an ex StB spy, has passed tax laws which benefit his huge company Agrofert, is accused of misusing EU funds to the benefit of Agrofert, and has bought various media outlets to assist his political messaging. He looks like a dangerous autocrat. Against that, under his watch as Finance Minister, the economy is roaring as it has not for many years, and as an outsider i think his principled opponents su,ch as my wife may have ignored that old trope "it's the economy, stupid".
The anti EU nationalist is not Babis. In a " couldn't make it up" element, it is a party led by a Czech- Japanesemixed race individual with the very Czech name (irony) of Tomio Okamura . He has two brothers, one of whom is in politics ina mainstream moderate party, and they tell the world that Tomio was the not very bright one in the family. Russian propaganda sites are active here in plain sight, and were backing him. He got 10%, so less than the AfD, and just behind the Czech Pirate party which appeals to younger progressive people ( my wife thought hard about voting for them but was concerned about their maturity for actual government).
If you or anyone is really interested I can post an excellent summary of the scene for foreigners, in english, by a Czech journalist who writes for a leading daily.
Well I was at the wrong end of a good bottle of wine, so apologies for my tone at the end, but it seemed to me that you were trying to suggest that the Czech general election was all about the EU. It was not. As for why it has not been covered in the U K media, the answer lies in the insular nature of the U.K. Media and its customers. It has been covered in organs such as the FT and the Guardian.
The issues with Babis are mainly that he is an ex StB spy, has passed tax laws which benefit his huge company Agrofert, is accused of misusing EU funds to the benefit of Agrofert, and has bought various media outlets to assist his political messaging. He looks like a dangerous autocrat. Against that, under his watch as Finance Minister, the economy is roaring as it has not for many years, and as an outsider i think his principled opponents su,ch as my wife may have ignored that old trope "it's the economy, stupid".
The anti EU nationalist is not Babis. In a " couldn't make it up" element, it is a party led by a Czech- Japanese half caste with the very Czech name of Tomio Okamura. He has two brothers, one of whom is in politics ina mainstream moderate party, and they tell the world that Tomio was the not very bright one in the family. Russian propaganda sites are active here in plain sight, and were backing him. He got 10%, so less than the AfD, and just behind the Czech Pirate party which appeals to younger progressive people ( my wife thought hard about voting for them but was concerned about their maturity for actual government).
If you or anyone is really interested I can post an excellent summary of the scene for foreigners, in english, by a Czech journalist who writes for a leading daily.
Well I was at the wrong end of a good bottle of wine, so apologies for my tone at the end, but it seemed to me that you were trying to suggest that the Czech general election was all about the EU. It was not. As for why it has not been covered in the U K media, the answer lies in the insular nature of the U.K. Media and its customers. It has been covered in organs such as the FT and the Guardian.
The issues with Babis are mainly that he is an ex StB spy, has passed tax laws which benefit his huge company Agrofert, is accused of misusing EU funds to the benefit of Agrofert, and has bought various media outlets to assist his political messaging. He looks like a dangerous autocrat. Against that, under his watch as Finance Minister, the economy is roaring as it has not for many years, and as an outsider i think his principled opponents su,ch as my wife may have ignored that old trope "it's the economy, stupid".
The anti EU nationalist is not Babis. In a " couldn't make it up" element, it is a party led by a Czech- Japanese half caste with the very Czech name of Tomio Okamura. He has two brothers, one of whom is in politics ina mainstream moderate party, and they tell the world that Tomio was the not very bright one in the family. Russian propaganda sites are active here in plain sight, and were backing him. He got 10%, so less than the AfD, and just behind the Czech Pirate party which appeals to younger progressive people ( my wife thought hard about voting for them but was concerned about their maturity for actual government).
If you or anyone is really interested I can post an excellent summary of the scene for foreigners, in english, by a Czech journalist who writes for a leading daily.
So it's not post vote as Osborne along with others suggested? Is it after the triggering of Article 50 or after we've actually left?
I still don't get this 'bottom of the EU' in relation to growth. It fluctuates year on year and I would expect the smaller EU economies to show significant growth now they benefit from their EU membership.
I really do see the disadvantages to leaving the EU, but I'm determined to try and be positive about it. I'm surprised so many on here seem to revel in our nations failings rather than celebrate the successes.
You mean we must make more optimistic forecasts about poor economic numbers. Where have I heard that before.
Otherwise we're traitors.
It's the ignoring of strong economic numbers to highlight perceived poor areas that annoys me. It's about balance.
Not everything is rosy in the garden, as I am well aware of, particularly as they are repeatedly shouted from the rooftops by the same half dozen people on this thread. None of whom ever seem to mention the positives since the vote.
It does seem as if you are desperate for Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so".
Traitors? Not sure where you get that from. But feel free to twist any posts from any poster who challenges the negativity.
What are they, then? Really, I am just asking what you are referring to, because when it comes to the hard economic data I cannot think of one which indicates an improving situation since the referendum. All the key parameters we might use seem to be pointing downwards whereas in EU neighbours they are pointing upwards; which is in recent years unusual, the UK normally trends in step with its biggest trading partner.
The Q3 GDP figures should be out next week. As @seriously_red , whom God preserve, has pointed out, you better brace yourselves...
Well I was at the wrong end of a good bottle of wine, so apologies for my tone at the end, but it seemed to me that you were trying to suggest that the Czech general election was all about the EU. It was not. As for why it has not been covered in the U K media, the answer lies in the insular nature of the U.K. Media and its customers. It has been covered in organs such as the FT and the Guardian.
The issues with Babis are mainly that he is an ex StB spy, has passed tax laws which benefit his huge company Agrofert, is accused of misusing EU funds to the benefit of Agrofert, and has bought various media outlets to assist his political messaging. He looks like a dangerous autocrat. Against that, under his watch as Finance Minister, the economy is roaring as it has not for many years, and as an outsider i think his principled opponents su,ch as my wife may have ignored that old trope "it's the economy, stupid".
The anti EU nationalist is not Babis. In a " couldn't make it up" element, it is a party led by a Czech- Japanese half caste with the very Czech name of Tomio Okamura. He has two brothers, one of whom is in politics ina mainstream moderate party, and they tell the world that Tomio was the not very bright one in the family. Russian propaganda sites are active here in plain sight, and were backing him. He got 10%, so less than the AfD, and just behind the Czech Pirate party which appeals to younger progressive people ( my wife thought hard about voting for them but was concerned about their maturity for actual government).
If you or anyone is really interested I can post an excellent summary of the scene for foreigners, in english, by a Czech journalist who writes for a leading daily.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You do know what the Nazis did, don’t you?
With the ease he throws the word around, I'd guess not.
You hear the Brexiteers saying that the vote was "democracy". It's certainly not democracy when they refuse to listen to those in favour of remaining and just blank them out. And worse say they have no sympathy for the losers. Some of them are worse than the nazis.
You do know what the Nazis did, don’t you?
With the ease he throws the word around, I'd guess not.
Interesting that the description 'Nazi' is so appropriate to recent governments of our so called European allies .. Germany (the real Nazis), France (Vichy), Italy (Mussolini), Spain (Franco), Portugal (Salazar), Austria (Nazi) as well as Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria which have all endured extreme nationalist followed by so called 'communist' regimes .. there is VERY little history of democracy outside northern Europe .. Bonaparte, a mass murderer and empire builder is still a French hero .. and of course he who uses the insult 'nazi' to his opponent in an argument must be regarded as the loser .. an insult thrown by one who has little knowledge or ability to debate ..
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The Brexit referendum was simply the pivot into this new era. @stig asks above and there are a plethora stories across the West showing an increase in far right populist and those of the left too! The old centre left/centre right model is creaking due to perceived failure, new entrants as well as a touch of corruption and nepotism.
In Prague 6 where we live, much the same, as ANO only got 15% on a turnout far higher than national average. And across Prague, they got 20% compared to the national figure of 30%. Does this start to sound familiar?
However the EU hardly registers as an issue, and Babis cannot be seen as a straightforward populist, even if I despise him almost as much as I do Farage and Johnson.
If I were you, I would go back to not worrying about a faraway country of which you know little ( to quote that pathetic twat Neville Chamberlain)
Otherwise we're traitors.
Wasn't even aware there was a vote in the Czech Republic, which is surprising as the recent other EU votes have been well 'advertised' in the U.K. Media.
Thanks for educating me though with your deep and comprehensive coverage of an election in a country where you live.
Surprised about the Chamberlain reference. Is Merkel eyeing up the Sudetenland then?
Not everything is rosy in the garden, as I am well aware of, particularly as they are repeatedly shouted from the rooftops by the same half dozen people on this thread. None of whom ever seem to mention the positives since the vote.
It does seem as if you are desperate for Brexit to fail just so you can say "I told you so".
Traitors? Not sure where you get that from. But feel free to twist any posts from any poster who challenges the negativity.
Well I was at the wrong end of a good bottle of wine, so apologies for my tone at the end, but it seemed to me that you were trying to suggest that the Czech general election was all about the EU. It was not. As for why it has not been covered in the U K media, the answer lies in the insular nature of the U.K. Media and its customers. It has been covered in organs such as the FT and the Guardian.
The issues with Babis are mainly that he is an ex StB spy, has passed tax laws which benefit his huge company Agrofert, is accused of misusing EU funds to the benefit of Agrofert, and has bought various media outlets to assist his political messaging. He looks like a dangerous autocrat. Against that, under his watch as Finance Minister, the economy is roaring as it has not for many years, and as an outsider i think his principled opponents su,ch as my wife may have ignored that old trope "it's the economy, stupid".
The anti EU nationalist is not Babis. In a " couldn't make it up" element, it is a party led by a Czech- Japanesemixed race individual with the very Czech name (irony) of Tomio Okamura . He has two brothers, one of whom is in politics ina mainstream moderate party, and they tell the world that Tomio was the not very bright one in the family. Russian propaganda sites are active here in plain sight, and were backing him. He got 10%, so less than the AfD, and just behind the Czech Pirate party which appeals to younger progressive people ( my wife thought hard about voting for them but was concerned about their maturity for actual government).
If you or anyone is really interested I can post an excellent summary of the scene for foreigners, in english, by a Czech journalist who writes for a leading daily.
The Q3 GDP figures should be out next week. As @seriously_red , whom God preserve, has pointed out, you better brace yourselves...
Unpredictable times for Europe as a whole.
I could see you desperately looking for it, when the Eurostar entered the tunnel on our way to Sint-Truiden.
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Thank goodness the government (of Spain) were able to make this fantastic offer which will put a lot of minds at rest.
there is VERY little history of democracy outside northern Europe .. Bonaparte, a mass murderer and empire builder is still a French hero ..
and of course he who uses the insult 'nazi' to his opponent in an argument must be regarded as the loser .. an insult thrown by one who has little knowledge or ability to debate ..