No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
The bit I found odd, was the bit in her speech about not getting it all our own way. Why the hell, almost 2 years after the vote would we need to still be highlighting this. For her to say it, seems to imply we’ve genuinely got some people in her party and this country that believe this was still to be the case
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
Thanks... What was hard about saying Michael Gove is on lbc... Are you saying people here did not understand that.... But the again i can understand that.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
Thanks... What was hard about saying Michael Gove is on lbc... Are you saying people here did not understand that.... But the again i can understand that.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
Thanks... What was hard about saying Michael Gove is on lbc... Are you saying people here did not understand that.... But the again i can understand that.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
Thanks... What was hard about saying Michael Gove is on lbc... Are you saying people here did not understand that.... But the again i can understand that.
Then
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Cordoban told you weeks ago... You haven't taken heed have you.
No doubt saying how wonderful Saint Theresa's speech was and how she brought so much clarity.
Gove is a charmless, self-serving c*nt.
Get in there and ask your questions then. I am sure the nation will be thrilled by them.
Why don't you ask the questions oh great Yoda? The nation can then use the opportunity to make a cup of tea.
Nothing to ask him... Your the one with nothing to say and keeps talking shite... Now is your opportunity to get the answers you seek... Or you got no balls for it.
You’re
Crikey me creepy stalkers back.
Look at it as my way of helping people understand your ( not you’re) posts.
Thanks... What was hard about saying Michael Gove is on lbc... Are you saying people here did not understand that.... But the again i can understand that.
The problem is Theresa has allowed herself zero flexibility, and that's what this whole process required. She could have entered the talks with a broad mind and an open agenda that would have allowed her to pursue several meaningful avenues to make the best of a bad situation.
Instead she, for no reason whatsoever, laid down several red lines (some of which were the direct opposite of what was promised during the referendum campaign) aimed at securing an extremely damaging hard Brexit and has now painted herself into a corner where any deviation or compromise would be seen as a failure.
There really are only two options to avoid disaster for the UK.
Sack May and get someone actually willing and able to get the job done in
Or cancel Brexit
Anything else simply isn't good enough for this country.
The problem is Theresa has allowed herself zero flexibility, and that's what this whole process required. She could have entered the talks with a broad mind and an open agenda that would have allowed her to pursue several meaningful avenues to make the best of a bad situation.
Instead she, for no reason whatsoever, laid down several red lines (some of which were the direct opposite of what was promised during the referendum campaign) aimed at securing an extremely damaging hard Brexit and has now painted herself into a corner where any deviation or compromise would be seen as a failure.
There really are only two options to avoid disaster for the UK.
Sack May and get someone actually willing and able to get the job done in
Or cancel Brexit
Anything else simply isn't good enough for this country.
No prospect of it happening though is there Fiiish. Instead we have no leadership or sense of reality from the government.
Our only real hope now is for those Tory rebels to force the issue.
You see it, we all see it, the political commentators see it. The weekend papers and Sunday morning TV programmes will be full of it. The power of our democracy combined with the new age of social media may bring some very sudden shifts in the weeks to come? What is trending on twitter and message boards?
#snowday3 :-(
OKaaaay... Well, the snow will be gone next week whilst we have another 56 weeks left in the EU.
Meanwhile when I took a peek at Twitter I found this featuring Ben Bradley MP:
The post Theresa May speech interview with Corbyn on the BBC is very unconvincing.
Doubtless I shall upset a few comrades-in-arms on here, but I will reiterate my view that Corbyn is not some "authentic" "new" face but an old school, hard left apparatcik who is only interested in "abroad" if the "abroad" in question is governed by proper soshulists.
At this time, the UK expects much more competence from HM Opposition.
The problem is Theresa has allowed herself zero flexibility, and that's what this whole process required. She could have entered the talks with a broad mind and an open agenda that would have allowed her to pursue several meaningful avenues to make the best of a bad situation.
Instead she, for no reason whatsoever, laid down several red lines (some of which were the direct opposite of what was promised during the referendum campaign) aimed at securing an extremely damaging hard Brexit and has now painted herself into a corner where any deviation or compromise would be seen as a failure.
There really are only two options to avoid disaster for the UK.
Sack May and get someone actually willing and able to get the job done in
Or cancel Brexit
Anything else simply isn't good enough for this country.
The problem is Theresa has allowed herself zero flexibility, and that's what this whole process required. She could have entered the talks with a broad mind and an open agenda that would have allowed her to pursue several meaningful avenues to make the best of a bad situation.
Instead she, for no reason whatsoever, laid down several red lines (some of which were the direct opposite of what was promised during the referendum campaign) aimed at securing an extremely damaging hard Brexit and has now painted herself into a corner where any deviation or compromise would be seen as a failure.
There really are only two options to avoid disaster for the UK.
Sack May and get someone actually willing and able to get the job done in
Or cancel Brexit
Anything else simply isn't good enough for this country.
No prospect of it happening though is there Fiiish. Instead we have no leadership or sense of reality from the government.
Our only real hope now is for those Tory rebels to force the issue.
You see it, we all see it, the political commentators see it. The weekend papers and Sunday morning TV programmes will be full of it. The power of our democracy combined with the new age of social media may bring some very sudden shifts in the weeks to come? What is trending on twitter and message boards?
#snowday3 :-(
OKaaaay... Well, the snow will be gone next week whilst we have another 56 weeks left in the EU.
Meanwhile when I took a peek at Twitter I found this featuring Ben Bradley MP:
In fairness to Ben Bradley I think it’s clear that he wasn’t saying the government are making up their strategy as they go along. He was saying that there is no blueprint for a country leaving the eu that the U.K. government were able to follow. By definition you are therefore forced to be both reactive and proactive. As the process evolves.
Having said that. The government don’t have a strategy. That much is very clear. It’s just that’s not what Bradley was talking about.
The bit I found odd, was the bit in her speech about not getting it all our own way. Why the hell, almost 2 years after the vote would we need to still be highlighting this. For her to say it, seems to imply we’ve genuinely got some people in her party and this country that believe this was still to be the case
All a bit a weird for me
In fairness I haven't seen the speech but in my observation and experience it's very, very clear that there's a lot of people who still don't get what we are about to undertake and just how difficult, (let alone damaging) it will be.
Dip into any Brexit discussion in your local paper and they'll be there urging us to just get on with it and leave! There was a rude, shouty bloke on Question Time a week or two back completely downplaying the complexity of the process on the basis we should "Just Leave! It ain't brain surgery is it???".
I've lost count of the amount of times on here I've tried to discuss what we are going to do about our the 1000's of pieces of consumer, food safety, environmental, employment, etc. laws but there's very little interest. There might be interest when individual ministers start rolling back our rights to a refund for faulty goods, as one small example, but it'll be too late by then.
The bit I found odd, was the bit in her speech about not getting it all our own way. Why the hell, almost 2 years after the vote would we need to still be highlighting this. For her to say it, seems to imply we’ve genuinely got some people in her party and this country that believe this was still to be the case
All a bit a weird for me
In fairness I haven't seen the speech but in my observation and experience it's very, very clear that there's a lot of people who still don't get what we are about to undertake and just how difficult, (let alone damaging) it will be.
Dip into any Brexit discussion in your local paper and they'll be there urging us to just get on with it and leave! There was a rude, shouty bloke on Question Time a week or two back completely downplaying the complexity of the process on the basis we should "Just Leave! It ain't brain surgery is it???".
I've lost count of the amount of times on here I've tried to discuss what we are going to do about our the 1000's of pieces of consumer, food safety, environmental, employment, etc. laws but there's very little interest. There might be when individual ministers start rolling back our rights to a refund for faulty goods, as one small example, but it'll be too late by then.
Are you really suggesting that the ruling classes would use Brexit and the certain downturn to erode consumers, workers, sick, disabled, unemployed and Uncle Tom Cobbleys rights.
The bit I found odd, was the bit in her speech about not getting it all our own way. Why the hell, almost 2 years after the vote would we need to still be highlighting this. For her to say it, seems to imply we’ve genuinely got some people in her party and this country that believe this was still to be the case
All a bit a weird for me
In fairness I haven't seen the speech but in my observation and experience it's very, very clear that there's a lot of people who still don't get what we are about to undertake and just how difficult, (let alone damaging) it will be.
Dip into any Brexit discussion in your local paper and they'll be there urging us to just get on with it and leave! There was a rude, shouty bloke on Question Time a week or two back completely downplaying the complexity of the process on the basis we should "Just Leave! It ain't brain surgery is it???".
I've lost count of the amount of times on here I've tried to discuss what we are going to do about our the 1000's of pieces of consumer, food safety, environmental, employment, etc. laws but there's very little interest. There might be when individual ministers start rolling back our rights to a refund for faulty goods, as one small example, but it'll be too late by then.
Are you really suggesting that the ruling classes would use Brexit and the certain downturn to erode consumers, workers, sick, disabled, unemployed and Uncle Tom Cobbleys rights.
That’s a very cynical view.
Yeah, sorry as you were. I'm sure big business is not, under any circumstances, going to be lobbying this government to remove costly EU "red tape" aka citizens rights, once we are out at all. In fact we've had cast iron guarantees from the likes of Gove and Boris on this and they're nothing if not consistent and trustworthy
Logic should have meant we did not rush in article 50 - We should have let the EU stew a bit on the uncertainty. It weakened our negotiating position rushing in. What will happen is if a hard Brexit seems likely, the commons and the Lords won't allow it that's what. There was a sensible way of doing this, but because a lot of the Brexiters are rabid and not strategic (not all but a lot including ministers) - we have gone about this with both hands tied behind our backs. Saying we won't have a border with Ireland is ridiculous, we know the EU will - otherwise tariffs on our trade in a hard Brexit could be avoided. I think this suggestion is childish and is more about trying to score points than facing up to the reality. We have to agree a deal with the EU, not point score.
I think May's position of the person who can keep the Tory party together is coming to an end. This is getting to the business end and the Government is on the rails.
That was a point of mine about a month ago, and why Southbanks moans about the source of legislation are so irritating. Every piece of legislation that protects me or increase my rights has come via the EU, and every piece of legislation that has restricted or removed.my rights has come from the Tories. So, unless I were literally insane, why would I vote to leave the EU and give more power to the Tories?
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All a bit a weird for me
Thus speaks a man who spent a number of years in Lancashire.
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Meanwhile when I took a peek at Twitter I found this featuring Ben Bradley MP:
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/969634169595801600
and this on #roadtobrexit
At this time, the UK expects much more competence from HM Opposition.
Having said that. The government don’t have a strategy. That much is very clear.
It’s just that’s not what Bradley was talking about.
Dip into any Brexit discussion in your local paper and they'll be there urging us to just get on with it and leave! There was a rude, shouty bloke on Question Time a week or two back completely downplaying the complexity of the process on the basis we should "Just Leave! It ain't brain surgery is it???".
I've lost count of the amount of times on here I've tried to discuss what we are going to do about our the 1000's of pieces of consumer, food safety, environmental, employment, etc. laws but there's very little interest. There might be interest when individual ministers start rolling back our rights to a refund for faulty goods, as one small example, but it'll be too late by then.
That’s a very cynical view.
I think May's position of the person who can keep the Tory party together is coming to an end. This is getting to the business end and the Government is on the rails.