Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
I am not sure economics is your strong point.
1.7% is not a recession. However if the trend is in the opposite direction to that of a key trading partner, the EU, that is a big flashing red light. More immediately, if that figure is less than what was forecast as the basis for the Chancellor's budget, there are implications for spending on public services.
The UK unemployment figures are regarded with scepticism - and have been for getting on 30 years - because of deregulation of employment laws and various training programmes and whatever that don't work very well, but cause people to disappear from the unemployment register.
The lack of real, secure employment is one of the big beefs of the just about managing and those below, who are also over-represented groups within the Brexit vote. ironically.
I'm not sure humour, or having a sense of humour, is your strong point.
We all have crosses to bear
Like I say, despite voting to Remain, I am an optimist and will continue to be one. No matter the size of the obstacle.
I've also retained the immovable deep love for my family and friends that voted differently to me. It will take more than politics and my train of thought to drive a wedge between me and my closest family and allies
I have travelled a different journey to you. I was once even able to tolerate and have a laugh with Tories, and still can, but instead of becoming more optimistic and reconciled to brexit my antipathy has deepened and strengthened. I will always try to be tolerant and polite towards brexit voters I meet, or know from my family (which totals zero as far as I know) I find myself feeling totally alienated from brexit voters, even to the extent of preferring remain Tories than brexit Socialists. You are indeed fortunate to feel optimistic, I have tried to get started down that road by asking brexiters to explain the upside of it all, and so far they have not put forward a credible upside. Incidentally, whatever happens to the brexit trope of digging out people for 'talking the country down'? Brexiters have a chance to talk the country up, be optimistic if you like, but if they have anything good to say about it, it has passed me by, however I do continually hear how much some brexiters hate 'foreigners'. Indeed today a brexit supporter said that brexit can't come soon enough to avoid a blended world population. Blended! I have never felt as alienated from those in disguise around me as I do now, and they are the winners.
It's very much a shame that your political beliefs outweigh current, and potential, friendships as well as family relations.
I must mix in very different circles, and listen in to different conversations than you as I've not heard one leave voter mention 'foreigners' in a disparaging light. On the contrary, those I know recognise the vital part that those new to our shores play.
Try just being friends with people and don't look to find their political affiliation if you're incapable of looking past it.....and I mean that in the least patronising way as am aware that it could read differently.
Really? So just out of interest how many Spanner games do you actually attend per season on average? Perhaps you have an executive box. Oh hang on, that wouldn't make any difference down there...so, do tell...
How does, or should, my attendance at matches have any correlation to the content of the conversations I partake in and hear? Do tell...
@seth plum what is it with you and the quoting function on this board? thought it easier to mention here as opposed to trying to sort out the other one
Oh right so you go down there, and don't speak to anyone, and don't hear anything. Are you a Spanner with no Spanner mates? Or do you and your mates huddle in an empty corner discussing the contents of this week's New Statesman?
We are still talking about the conversations I partake in and hear involving leave voters, right? After all, that was the distinction I made in my reply to Seth. Or has that now, weirdly, evolved in to every conversation I hear regardless of knowing someone's voting record?
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
So We're one of the richest countries on earth butare you saying anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Cathy? is that you?
I'm not saying anything other than unemployment is at 4.4% and that growth is growth.
Why would you assume, if that is what you are doing, that I hold the belief posed in your question?
Oh right. Maybe it was your use of the term "booming" in response to Prague pointing out how well the Czech economy was doing that gave me the impression you think 1.7% UK growth is tearing up trees...
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
So We're one of the richest countries on earth butare you saying anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Cathy? is that you?
I'm not saying anything other than unemployment is at 4.4% and that growth is growth.
Why would you assume, if that is what you are doing, that I hold the belief posed in your question?
Oh right. Maybe it was your use of the term "booming" in response to Prague pointing out how well the Czech economy was doing that gave me the impression you think 1.7% UK growth is tearing up trees...
The booming reference was in reply to the 3.2% unemployment rate and Prague having time on his hands to post on here as a result of it. I was just comparing the 4.4% here in a vastly more inhabited country.
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
Calling bullshit on that my sarcastic spanner chum.
The facts are the Brexit agenda is being predominantly driven by those on the right (and quite clearly far to the right too). Criticism of that agenda can only be linked by association to those pushing it...who by and large happen to be right wingers.
I reserve a special level of contempt for Kate Hoey btw...
Carry on identifying the 17.4 million Brexit voters as right wing and your wish may come true.
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
I am not sure economics is your strong point.
1.7% is not a recession. However if the trend is in the opposite direction to that of a key trading partner, the EU, that is a big flashing red light. More immediately, if that figure is less than what was forecast as the basis for the Chancellor's budget, there are implications for spending on public services.
The UK unemployment figures are regarded with scepticism - and have been for getting on 30 years - because of deregulation of employment laws and various training programmes and whatever that don't work very well, but cause people to disappear from the unemployment register.
The lack of real, secure employment is one of the big beefs of the just about managing and those below, who are also over-represented groups within the Brexit vote. ironically.
I'm not sure humour, or having a sense of humour, is your strong point.
We all have crosses to bear
Like I say, despite voting to Remain, I am an optimist and will continue to be one. No matter the size of the obstacle.
I've also retained the immovable deep love for my family and friends that voted differently to me. It will take more than politics and my train of thought to drive a wedge between me and my closest family and allies
I have travelled a different journey to you. I was once even able to tolerate and have a laugh with Tories, and still can, but instead of becoming more optimistic and reconciled to brexit my antipathy has deepened and strengthened. I will always try to be tolerant and polite towards brexit voters I meet, or know from my family (which totals zero as far as I know) I find myself feeling totally alienated from brexit voters, even to the extent of preferring remain Tories than brexit Socialists. You are indeed fortunate to feel optimistic, I have tried to get started down that road by asking brexiters to explain the upside of it all, and so far they have not put forward a credible upside. Incidentally, whatever happens to the brexit trope of digging out people for 'talking the country down'? Brexiters have a chance to talk the country up, be optimistic if you like, but if they have anything good to say about it, it has passed me by, however I do continually hear how much some brexiters hate 'foreigners'. Indeed today a brexit supporter said that brexit can't come soon enough to avoid a blended world population. Blended! I have never felt as alienated from those in disguise around me as I do now, and they are the winners.
It's very much a shame that your political beliefs outweigh current, and potential, friendships as well as family relations.
I must mix in very different circles, and listen in to different conversations than you as I've not heard one leave voter mention 'foreigners' in a disparaging light. On the contrary, those I know recognise the vital part that those new to our shores play.
Try just being friends with people and don't look to find their political affiliation if you're incapable of looking past it.....and I mean that in the least patronising way as am aware that it could read differently.
Really? So just out of interest how many Spanner games do you actually attend per season on average? Perhaps you have an executive box. Oh hang on, that wouldn't make any difference down there...so, do tell...
How does, or should, my attendance at matches have any correlation to the content of the conversations I partake in and hear? Do tell...
@seth plum what is it with you and the quoting function on this board? thought it easier to mention here as opposed to trying to sort out the other one
Oh right so you go down there, and don't speak to anyone, and don't hear anything. Are you a Spanner with no Spanner mates? Or do you and your mates huddle in an empty corner discussing the contents of this week's New Statesman?
I'm sorry that I don't seem to fit your predetermined profile of what constitutes someone going to watch Millwall and the company they keep whilst doing so.
I'm calling yet more bullshit on this too.
You've never heard a Leaver mate talk about "foreigners" in pejorative terms? Really? Never had an acquaintance talk about immigrants pushing up house prices, driving down wages, claiming benefits unfairly, taking up school places, using the NHS and a hundred other of societies ills they get the blame for?
I need to introduce you to my old man if that's the case. You'd like him...he's a Hammer.
What puzzles me about all this we can negotiate deals with non EU countries like China and the US? But surely the size of your market gives you an advantage in such negotiations. So why do we expect to be able to negotiate far superior deals to those that have already been negotiated by the EU as a block? I mean, companies can do business with these countries already and do. Trump has been moaning that the deal the EU has with the USA favours them too much. So how are we going to do better out of him?
Logically, if we were not in the EU we would probably find it to our advantage if we could be included in the deals they strike outside the EU. What if they use their size to out negotiate us - the advantage Brexiters are saying we have trading outside of the EU could easily become a disadvantage.
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
I am not sure economics is your strong point.
1.7% is not a recession. However if the trend is in the opposite direction to that of a key trading partner, the EU, that is a big flashing red light. More immediately, if that figure is less than what was forecast as the basis for the Chancellor's budget, there are implications for spending on public services.
The UK unemployment figures are regarded with scepticism - and have been for getting on 30 years - because of deregulation of employment laws and various training programmes and whatever that don't work very well, but cause people to disappear from the unemployment register.
The lack of real, secure employment is one of the big beefs of the just about managing and those below, who are also over-represented groups within the Brexit vote. ironically.
I'm not sure humour, or having a sense of humour, is your strong point.
We all have crosses to bear
Like I say, despite voting to Remain, I am an optimist and will continue to be one. No matter the size of the obstacle.
I've also retained the immovable deep love for my family and friends that voted differently to me. It will take more than politics and my train of thought to drive a wedge between me and my closest family and allies
I have travelled a different journey to you. I was once even able to tolerate and have a laugh with Tories, and still can, but instead of becoming more optimistic and reconciled to brexit my antipathy has deepened and strengthened. I will always try to be tolerant and polite towards brexit voters I meet, or know from my family (which totals zero as far as I know) I find myself feeling totally alienated from brexit voters, even to the extent of preferring remain Tories than brexit Socialists. You are indeed fortunate to feel optimistic, I have tried to get started down that road by asking brexiters to explain the upside of it all, and so far they have not put forward a credible upside. Incidentally, whatever happens to the brexit trope of digging out people for 'talking the country down'? Brexiters have a chance to talk the country up, be optimistic if you like, but if they have anything good to say about it, it has passed me by, however I do continually hear how much some brexiters hate 'foreigners'. Indeed today a brexit supporter said that brexit can't come soon enough to avoid a blended world population. Blended! I have never felt as alienated from those in disguise around me as I do now, and they are the winners.
It's very much a shame that your political beliefs outweigh current, and potential, friendships as well as family relations.
I must mix in very different circles, and listen in to different conversations than you as I've not heard one leave voter mention 'foreigners' in a disparaging light. On the contrary, those I know recognise the vital part that those new to our shores play.
Try just being friends with people and don't look to find their political affiliation if you're incapable of looking past it.....and I mean that in the least patronising way as am aware that it could read differently.
Really? So just out of interest how many Spanner games do you actually attend per season on average? Perhaps you have an executive box. Oh hang on, that wouldn't make any difference down there...so, do tell...
How does, or should, my attendance at matches have any correlation to the content of the conversations I partake in and hear? Do tell...
@seth plum what is it with you and the quoting function on this board? thought it easier to mention here as opposed to trying to sort out the other one
Oh right so you go down there, and don't speak to anyone, and don't hear anything. Are you a Spanner with no Spanner mates? Or do you and your mates huddle in an empty corner discussing the contents of this week's New Statesman?
I'm sorry that I don't seem to fit your predetermined profile of what constitutes someone going to watch Millwall and the company they keep whilst doing so.
I'm calling yet more bullshit on this too.
You've never heard a Leaver mate talk about "foreigners" in pejorative terms? Really? Never had an acquaintance talk about immigrants pushing up house prices, driving down wages, claiming benefits unfairly, taking up school places, using the NHS and a hundred other of societies ills they get the blame for?
I need to introduce you to my old man if that's the case. You'd like him...he's a Hammer.
I've heard/overheard some disparaging remarks, yes. Never, however, when knowing how someone voted. I've got absolutely no need to lie. Take it or leave it (get it?)
Carry on identifying the 17.4 million Brexit voters as right wing and your wish may come true.
Perhaps you can enlighten me which left wing politicians are involved in our Brexit preparations? Or which left wing commentators in the main stream press? For the record I've never said ALL Brexit voters are right wing, Tories. They clearly are not.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
Yes. However the difference is that we don't have this zero hours fake jobs shit. We don't have unpaid interns. Amazon not only offer people proper contracts, they have had to pay above the going rates, and advertise like hell, just to get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know that our figures are never comparable to any other nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
So We're one of the richest countries on earth butare you saying anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Cathy? is that you?
I'm not saying anything other than unemployment is at 4.4% and that growth is growth.
Why would you assume, if that is what you are doing, that I hold the belief posed in your question?
Because you described England as "booming"
In the context of the unemployment figure. You forgot that bit
I may well have norsed up the quoting on this one.....nope. Clever me.
Carry on identifying the 17.4 million Brexit voters as right wing and your wish may come true.
Perhaps you can enlighten me which left wing politicians are involved in our Brexit preparations? Or which left wing commentators in the main stream press? For the record I've never said ALL Brexit voters are right wing, Tories. They clearly are not.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
'Left wing' politicians have generally abandoned the working class, hence the decline in support for their parties across Europe. They have then excused their loss of support as due to voters becoming 'right wing' or under the influence of right wingers. To paraphrase Brecht, left wingers would like to dissolve this working class and elect another one.
Carry on identifying the 17.4 million Brexit voters as right wing and your wish may come true.
Perhaps you can enlighten me which left wing politicians are involved in our Brexit preparations? Or which left wing commentators in the main stream press? For the record I've never said ALL Brexit voters are right wing, Tories. They clearly are not.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
'Left wing' politicians have generally abandoned the working class, hence the decline in support for their parties across Europe. They have then excused their loss of support as due to voters becoming 'right wing' or under the influence of right wingers. To paraphrase Brecht, left wingers would like to dissolve this working class and elect another one.
He wasn't the best Prime Minister but always struck me as honest - apart from cheating on his wife with Edwina Currie! Mind you I thought Liam Fox left parliament in disgrace - Are we supposed to have forgotten and he can be slipped back in without anybody noticing?
Millions of traditional Labour voters voted for Brexit. Proper right wing
In fairness, @Bournemouth Addick was stating that the Brexit agenda is predominantly driven by those on the right.
Politically, those driving the agenda are the Tories (of whom the pro-Europeans are generally to the left of the Party), economically it's the likes of Patrick Minford and in the media the Daily Mail, Telegraph et al.
None of these are noticeably left of centre. Though there are those who seek to drive a Brexit agenda from the left, with little appreciable success, at the minute those framing the Brexit agenda for the Leave side are mostly to the right.
It doesn't mean, and @Bournemouth Addick didn't claim that it did, that every Leave voter was right wing.
He wasn't the best Prime Minister but always struck me as honest - apart from cheating on his wife with Edwina Currie! Mind you I thought Liam Fox left parliament in disgrace - Are we supposed to have forgotten and he can be slipped back in without anybody noticing?
Cheating on your partner is one of the most dishonest and quite disgusting things anyone can do. But seeing as its you john, its quite ok.
Millions of traditional Labour voters voted for Brexit. Proper right wing
In fairness, @Bournemouth Addick was stating that the Brexit agenda is predominantly driven by those on the right.
Politically, those driving the agenda are the Tories (of whom the pro-Europeans are generally to the left of the Party), economically it's the likes of Patrick Minford and in the media the Daily Mail, Telegraph et al.
None of these are noticeably left of centre. Though there are those who seek to drive a Brexit agenda from the left, with little appreciable success, at the minute those framing the Brexit agenda for the Leave side are mostly to the right.
It doesn't mean, and @Bournemouth Addick didn't claim that it did, that every Leave voter was right wing.
Dingalingaling...we have a winner!
Spot on my views and what I was trying to say, maybe clumsily and the quoting's gone awry.
Brexit is a product of the right, it’s a marginal interest for some of the extremes of the left, but Nationalism is a right obsession. Find me a left of centre paper who campaigned for 30 years to poison the country against the EU?
They did - because they are not happy with their lot for good reason. But they were sold a lie by people pretending to care about them who sit very much with those who see them as a commodity. Why put 350bn to the NHS on the battlebus and do a whole political broadcast on it? Was it for a joke as nobody was going to believe it right?
Good to see the pissing match is continuing...You lot have jobs right?
What's been going on? Skim reading tells me that we're taking cricket back from the world?
My job is recruitment. Unfortunately for me, I do this in a country in the heart of the booming EU, with a national unemployment rate of 3.2%. I've got nobody to interview.
It's only 4.4% over here, in the heart of booming England, with a population of 5-6 times that of where you are.
get the staff they need. And the PM joined with the Prague Mayor to deliver the CEO of Uber a simple message: obey the employment laws or fuck off. AirBnB will be next.
It's what we do, to coin a phrase, In Europe.
Oh and BTW growth of 1.7% isn't exactly a boom.
It's still only 4.4%, right?
I know nation. Ever. Unless it's to show Britain in a poor light.
It's what you do, to coin a phrase
Fortunately my glass is more half full than empty most of the time so I look to take the positives (please refrain from going down the "so, tell me what these positives are that you speak of. I'm genuinely interested to know" route)
Growth is growth. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that.
So we're one of the richest countries on earth but anything other than recession should be acceptable to us? Is 1% going to catch the monkey? 0.5%? 0.1?
Just the latest spin from the right wing that everything's going swimmingly whilst in reality even the threat of Brexit has effected growth.
You really don't need to claim everything is right wing just to discredit it. There is a common theme that people are following of late. If you disagree with it, or it's news that doesn't fit in with your train of thought, then it must be a right wing 'thing'.
Quick, easy and lazy way of making something taboo.
Also, any sentence that starts with 'So' can automatically be ignored as it is, more often than not, followed by a statement that makes loads of assumptions.
I am not sure economics is your strong point.
1.7% is not a recession. However if the trend is in the opposite direction to that of a key trading partner, the EU, that is a big flashing red light. More immediately, if that figure is less than what was forecast as the basis for the Chancellor's budget, there are implications for spending on public services.
The UK unemployment figures are regarded with scepticism - and have been for getting on 30 years - because of deregulation of employment laws and various training programmes and whatever that don't work very well, but cause people to disappear from the unemployment register.
The lack of real, secure employment is one of the big beefs of the just about managing and those below, who are also over-represented groups within the Brexit vote. ironically.
I'm not sure humour, or having a sense of humour, is your strong point.
We all have crosses to bear
Like I say, despite voting to Remain, I am an optimist and will continue to be one. No matter the size of the obstacle.
I've also retained the immovable deep love for my family and friends that voted differently to me. It will take more than politics and my train of thought to drive a wedge between me and my closest family and allies
I have travelled a different journey to you. I was once even able to tolerate and have a laugh with Tories, and still can, but instead of becoming more optimistic and reconciled to brexit my antipathy has deepened and strengthened. I will always try to be tolerant and polite towards brexit voters I meet, or know from my family (which totals zero as far as I know) I find myself feeling totally alienated from brexit voters, even to the extent of preferring remain Tories than brexit Socialists. You are indeed fortunate to feel optimistic, I have tried to get started down that road by asking brexiters to explain the upside of it all, and so far they have not put forward a credible upside. Incidentally, whatever happens to the brexit trope of digging out people for 'talking the country down'? Brexiters have a chance to talk the country up, be optimistic if you like, but if they have anything good to say about it, it has passed me by, however I do continually hear how much some brexiters hate 'foreigners'. Indeed today a brexit supporter said that brexit can't come soon enough to avoid a blended world population. Blended! I have never felt as alienated from those in disguise around me as I do now, and they are the winners.
It's very much a shame that your political beliefs outweigh current, and potential, friendships as well as family relations.
I must mix in very different circles, and listen in to different conversations than you as I've not heard one leave voter mention 'foreigners' in a disparaging light. On the contrary, those I know recognise the vital part that those new to our shores play.
Try just being friends with people and don't look to find their political affiliation if you're incapable of looking past it.....and I mean that in the least patronising way as am aware that it could read differently.
Really? So just out of interest how many Spanner games do you actually attend per season on average? Perhaps you have an executive box. Oh hang on, that wouldn't make any difference down there...so, do tell...
How does, or should, my attendance at matches have any correlation to the content of the conversations I partake in and hear? Do tell...
@seth plum what is it with you and the quoting function on this board? thought it easier to mention here as opposed to trying to sort out the other one
Oh right so you go down there, and don't speak to anyone, and don't hear anything. Are you a Spanner with no Spanner mates? Or do you and your mates huddle in an empty corner discussing the contents of this week's New Statesman?
I'm sorry that I don't seem to fit your predetermined profile of what constitutes someone going to watch Millwall and the company they keep whilst doing so.
I'm calling yet more bullshit on this too.
You've never heard a Leaver mate talk about "foreigners" in pejorative terms? Really? Never had an acquaintance talk about immigrants pushing up house prices, driving down wages, claiming benefits unfairly, taking up school places, using the NHS and a hundred other of societies ills they get the blame for?
I need to introduce you to my old man if that's the case. You'd like him...he's a Hammer.
I've heard/overheard some disparaging remarks, yes. Never, however, when knowing how someone voted. I've got absolutely no need to lie. Take it or leave it (get it?)
Your old man sounds like a joy.
Chippy posts here, and says he voted leave, and his blanket comments regarding 'the Irish' are not exactly what you might call gracious. Have you missed that stuff? Maybe my antennae is too tuned in on that particular topic.
Err, this is the John Major who was Prime Minister, right?.Just checking, because an ex PM would definitely qualify.
Ah, I see. Er, well, I think so.
So when do you earn this elite badge in Parliament? Is it like in the Scouts?
I mean, just PM's? Party leaders at election time, such as IDS or Howard? Chancellors, such as Lawson or Lamont? Ministers present or past,such as The Three Numpties, Lilley, Whittingdale, Patterson, Hoey, Raab, and many more I can't be arsed to dredge up from the swamp? Or career backbenchers who have spent their entire time banging on about Europe: Cash, Hannan, Jenkin et al. Or politicians who form and lead parties but fail to get elected: Farage. Which of these are NOT elite, @Southbank ? Help me out with this , and we might finally crack this elite malarkey
Bonus CL Badge of Inconvenient Truth if you can tell everyone what all the above named politicians have in common
Make the border wall so small everybody can jump over it! Simples. probably Johnson's next statement. As somebody who remembers bombs going off around us - I even heard a few explosions as a kid, I think playing fast and loose with a hard won peace deserves a bit of concern.
Err, this is the John Major who was Prime Minister, right?.Just checking, because an ex PM would definitely qualify.
Ah, I see. Er, well, I think so.
So when do you earn this elite badge in Parliament? Is it like in the Scouts?
I mean, just PM's? Party leaders at election time, such as IDS or Howard? Chancellors, such as Lawson or Lamont? Ministers present or past,such as The Three Numpties, Lilley, Whittingdale, Patterson, Hoey, Raab, and many more I can't be arsed to dredge up from the swamp? Or career backbenchers who have spent their entire time banging on about Europe: Cash, Hannan, Jenkin et al. Or politicians who form and lead parties but fail to get elected: Farage. Which of these are NOT elite, @Southbank ? Help me out with this , and we might finally crack this elite malarkey
Bonus CL Badge of Inconvenient Truth if you can tell everyone what all the above named politicians have in common
All of them, Major included. But there are a lot more you have not mentioned, including a majority of MPs,for Remain than Leave
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I think the term is being at cross purposes
You've never heard a Leaver mate talk about "foreigners" in pejorative terms? Really? Never had an acquaintance talk about immigrants pushing up house prices, driving down wages, claiming benefits unfairly, taking up school places, using the NHS and a hundred other of societies ills they get the blame for?
I need to introduce you to my old man if that's the case. You'd like him...he's a Hammer.
Logically, if we were not in the EU we would probably find it to our advantage if we could be included in the deals they strike outside the EU. What if they use their size to out negotiate us - the advantage Brexiters are saying we have trading outside of the EU could easily become a disadvantage.
Your old man sounds like a joy.
Perhaps you can enlighten me which left wing politicians are involved in our Brexit preparations? Or which left wing commentators in the main stream press? For the record I've never said ALL Brexit voters are right wing, Tories. They clearly are not.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
Proper right wing
I may well have norsed up the quoting on this one.....nope. Clever me.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
'Left wing' politicians have generally abandoned the working class, hence the decline in support for their parties across Europe. They have then excused their loss of support as due to voters becoming 'right wing' or under the influence of right wingers.
To paraphrase Brecht, left wingers would like to dissolve this working class and elect another one.
You're just deliberately misquoting me to join in the "poisoning the well" exercise going on.
'Left wing' politicians have generally abandoned the working class, hence the decline in support for their parties across Europe. They have then excused their loss of support as due to voters becoming 'right wing' or under the influence of right wingers.
To paraphrase Brecht, left wingers would like to dissolve this working class and elect another one.
Politically, those driving the agenda are the Tories (of whom the pro-Europeans are generally to the left of the Party), economically it's the likes of Patrick Minford and in the media the Daily Mail, Telegraph et al.
None of these are noticeably left of centre. Though there are those who seek to drive a Brexit agenda from the left, with little appreciable success, at the minute those framing the Brexit agenda for the Leave side are mostly to the right.
It doesn't mean, and @Bournemouth Addick didn't claim that it did, that every Leave voter was right wing.
Spot on my views and what I was trying to say, maybe clumsily and the quoting's gone awry.
Have you missed that stuff? Maybe my antennae is too tuned in on that particular topic.
So when do you earn this elite badge in Parliament? Is it like in the Scouts?
I mean, just PM's?
Party leaders at election time, such as IDS or Howard?
Chancellors, such as Lawson or Lamont?
Ministers present or past,such as The Three Numpties, Lilley, Whittingdale, Patterson, Hoey, Raab, and many more I can't be arsed to dredge up from the swamp?
Or career backbenchers who have spent their entire time banging on about Europe: Cash, Hannan, Jenkin et al.
Or politicians who form and lead parties but fail to get elected: Farage.
Which of these are NOT elite, @Southbank ? Help me out with this , and we might finally crack this elite malarkey
Bonus CL Badge of Inconvenient Truth if you can tell everyone what all the above named politicians have in common
https://t.co/h7smMiKpwX
But there are a lot more you have not mentioned, including a majority of MPs,for Remain than Leave