My issue is that we didn't match them for the tempo or intensity.
I can take a defeat and all credit to Wigan who were better than us, but I genuinely don't think anyone of those players can honestly say they gave 100% and that's where my agitations stem from
I would even go so far as to say that when we started rolling it out from the back and Amos was simply passing to Bauer etc in and around the edge of the area, we got our comeuppance for perhaps being a little too over confident we can play our way out from the back.
That's where my gripe lies
I know we're better than that in terms of effort
This. We weren't just out fought but out thought as well. It was almost if we'd never played football in poor conditions before. Kashi kept leaving passes 2-3 yards short and Solly, doing little feint turns is bound to fall on his arse when it's that wet. If you are going to slip and slide around, it least make sure the ball is in their half. Wigan were good enough without us inviting more pressure by dicking around at the back. Sometimes in those conditions you just need to put your foot through it and save the fancy stuff for another day
I think Robinson needs to think about how we deal with this sort of challenge - other teams will try it and even if they don't implement as well as Wigan, we have to have answers.
Agree and it'll be interesting to see what changes he makes on Saturday, if any. We know he won't change the system (and it would be very early to abandon the one we've been working on anyway).
Konsa seems the most likely player to come in if he rests Kashi or Solly. Reeves on the bench would be good to see, obviously too soon for him to start.
The significance of the 43rd minute first goal was key would've been different second half. They pressed so well first half that they would've tired and ran out of ideas, instead they had something to cling onto and wind us up about, and fair play they did it brilliantly.
Nothing to worry about bad day at the office, my one dig which I'm sorry but had to be said Dodoo looks like he's just joined in after waking his dog across the park, just doesn't look like a footballer to me.
One thought I've just remembered... Did Ahearne-Grant ever touch the ball when he came on?
Every time we attacked it was with Dasilva and Holmes, all I ever saw KAG getting to do was run back to try and help Solly occasionally and then jog forward when we'd attack down the other side?
Wigan worked out how to play us. Others in the division will now follow suit. Gobby has no Plan B or the personnel to implement any such plan. Middle of table mediocrity beckons.
Both teams had good chances/efforts in the first half....ours being Fosu past the far post after he wriggled himself a bit of room, Kashi shooting narrowly wide from outside the box and the JFC/Magennis efforts.
But we got carved open a bit too easily for their first and I'm sure Konsa missed a routine header from a straight ball in the build up to their second.
Very impressed with Wigan and with Jason Pearce (he's 10 times the player he was during Slade's reign).
Really, those straws must be hard to clutch when wet
#sameforbothsides
#itrainsinengland
#nailonthehead
I'm not blaming the weather, I'm blaming us for not adapting to it and realising that the ball rolls slower on a wet pitch and it's easier to fall over.
Wigan adapted to the conditions better, cleared better, pressed higher, got the ball into danger areas.
Both teams had good chances/efforts in the first half....ours being Fosu past the far post after he wriggled himself a bit of room, Kashi shooting narrowly wide from outside the box and the JFC/Magennis efforts.
But we got carved open a bit too easily for their first and I'm sure Konsa missed a routine header from a straight ball in the build up to their second.
Very impressed with Wigan and with Jason Pearce (he's 10 times the player he was during Slade's reign).
Yes he did... Yet to be fair he jumped with a Wigan player and they both missed it with the ball falling to the scorer if I'm right
One credit to Wigan was the great piece of Route 1 Football they played when it was still 1-0 I think... Goalkeeper released the ball to Jacobs who was on the halfway line, he then counter-attacked with just one of ours back (Solly if I'm right) to try and control him, yet it was only a poor shot from Jacobs that stopped it going 2-0!!
Wigan were a well drilled, physical, niggly side that showed skill and pace when they needed too, despite our huffing and puffing in the first 45 minutes they completely controlled the game throughout and it did feel like I was watching brave old Charlton playing a team from a higher league in the cup, with the inevitable result.
No bed wetting,whinging valium taking here but this was a wake up call, we are not as good as I thought we were, we have nothing, nada, zilch to come off the bench to change a game and from the three (albeit cameo) performances I have seen from Mr Dodoo, anyone who thinks he was scouted, coveted or anything other than a desperate end of window panic loan is having a laugh.
We have a strong first XI with a couple to come back from injury and could finish top six as we won't play Wigan every week, we have a team the supporters can unite around and relate to, one the supporters stayed with and clapped off at the final whistle (almost to their embarrassment).
But what remains clear is this season is not the start of a revolution and this season is not the owners 'Road to Damascus' moment with a happy ending. We have the richest owner in our history and a paper thin squad that has every likelihood of being further stripped away in January.
Perspective, we are still a good side, onto Gillingham hopefully with a few lessons learnt from last night, back to winning ways and remaining in and around the mix.
I hope we remain fully behind the team and manager as a fan base despite our shortcomings, they can and will be addressed further down the track, for now it's too early to do anything else, Up the Addicks and credit to Wigan who despite their tricks and playacting were a far superior side.
There is a lot of hystrionics. What I will remind anyone being stupid enough to get carried away and compare this squad to the warriors Chris Powell assembled is Chris Powell's squad were a real physical team and whilst we didn't play 2 touch expansive football much, we were effective and ground results out by being in shape physically, well organised and by having a couple of different game plans.
Now that part is put of the way, don't forget the spectre of some weird old prick is hanging over the club as a whole still. They haven't learned any lessons, just run out of their patsies to keep replacing in the managers chair. For whatever reason the squad will be an issue as the manager has set up to play 1 way and 1 way only and the key component to that system is a bloke with a questionable injury record who would have needed cover. If the owners wanted us to get out of the division the right way they would have strengthened, they've been utterly moronic as far as transfers go, totally decimating a decent squad to be replaced with pussies bought in from abroad and kids nowhere near ready for regular senior football.
The squad is not strong enough to play 3 games a week. Simple as that. Quite niave from KR to keep same 11. What does he do Saturday now as solly & kashi probably need a rest
Saturday Tuesday Saturday Tuesday. It's only 2 games a week not 3. And it's the same for all clubs
You know what I mean, doesn't hide the fact the squad will come up short
Our Squad is good enough for play offs I would say, maybe automatic if we can get a good run and some luck on our side. Wigan are going to be there abouts at the end of the season but yes 3-0 loss isn't good enough at home. No need to panic, we need to pick ourselves up and move on and have some cohesion!
No team plays well every game at the end of the day.
**Will add that I do think we need to work on other, more solid formations for against the stronger teams.
Wigan were a good professional side. they knew what they were doing from the off. press our back four who like to pass the ball between them, including Kashi who struggled under the pressure. mark our wingers especially holmes so he ends up trying to pass 3 players which even he cant always do. mark Josh up front as he is our only outlet. push our small players about such as fosu and Clarke. when on the ball hit on the break down the wings where our two defensive midfielders are of no consequence as they are sitting in the middle. then once in front continue this with a bit of time wasting and professional fouls to stop us from having any momentum. they also had some skillfull players such as Powell, Jacobs and massay who can all move the ball around quickly.
against a team like wigan who have the players to execute such a game plan we will need to change our plan. problem is we don't have another plan. possibly playing an extra player in the middle might of helped, sacrificing Fosu but apart from that we just don't have anyone in the squad to help change the system. the bench today was woeful. a special mention to Ahearne grant who was piss poor when he came on to the point it was embarrassing. didn't want the ball and didn't track back to help solly. Dodo on the other side wasn't much better.
its not the end of the world that we lost but its worrying if other teams do the same with the tactics we would have little chance of counteracting it. if things do start to go wrong I'm not sure what we could change without weakening our side in other areas.
Karl likes this brand of attacking football and tbh so do I. we look good on the eye when things work out but it would be nice (and necessary) if when things arnt we have another idea.
Our Squad is good enough for play offs I would say, maybe automatic if we can get a good run and some luck on our side. Wigan are going to be there abouts at the end of the season but yes 3-0 loss isn't good enough at home. No need to panic, we need to pick ourselves up and move on and have some cohesion!
No team plays well every game at the end of the day.
**Will add that I do think we need to work on other, more solid formations for against the stronger teams.
I don't think our squad is good enough for the playoffs and last night showed this - we were comprehensively outplayed by a L1 side who could easily have scored more. We're not good enough technically to play a passing game and once teams close us down we will struggle - any opposition manager watching a video of last night's game will see how predictable we are. When it comes to the physical side of the game we are lacking as well.
We don't have many options on the bench and we don't inspire confidence defensively. We look mid table at best and I can see it being a long season.
I would like to think last night was just an off day but we were so poor it was embarrassing.
There is a lot of hystrionics. What I will remind anyone being stupid enough to get carried away and compare this squad to the warriors Chris Powell assembled is Chris Powell's squad were a real physical team and whilst we didn't play 2 touch expansive football much, we were effective and ground results out by being in shape physically, well organised and by having a couple of different game plans.
Now that part is put of the way, don't forget the spectre of some weird old prick is hanging over the club as a whole still. They haven't learned any lessons, just run out of their patsies to keep replacing in the managers chair. For whatever reason the squad will be an issue as the manager has set up to play 1 way and 1 way only and the key component to that system is a bloke with a questionable injury record who would have needed cover. If the owners wanted us to get out of the division the right way they would have strengthened, they've been utterly moronic as far as transfers go, totally decimating a decent squad to be replaced with pussies bought in from abroad and kids nowhere near ready for regular senior football.
This makes more sense than blaming the weather (it's autumn) or tiredness (after a mammoth 7 games).
A foreign tourist in attendance at tonight's match would have concluded that it must be a Cup game , with the away side being from a higher league than the home team.
Wigan, histrionics apart, were miles better than us & IMHO looked a class side that belongs in the Championship.
I have no idea whether the Northerners were able to hold on to their stronger players following relegation but their rapport on the pitch was paramount, whereas our lads on occasion appeared not to have been introduced to one another.
I can accept defeat by a superior team but tonight was very disappointing & I felt for those that had made the effort to attend after boycotting, or indeed after making a belated decision to purchase a season ticket. This performance will hardly tempt the former to repeat the exercise.....
My thoughts, for what they are worth, echo those of earlier posters. Wigan fielded a team of tall, strong players, making ours appear lightweight & easily knocked off the ball. Long balls to Big Josh were invariably headed back from whence they came with some ease and hence our striker was able to show little of his attributes & was rarely a force to be reckoned with tonight. This, for me is as worrying as KR's blinkered approach to the match of no Plan B ( "One plan, he's only got one plan ...etc ")
In addition, sadly, our current bench is hardly going to worry the opposition. RD's Scrooge like tendencies have left us in a sorry state until Reeves and/or Marshall are fit for purpose whilst a red card to our Rickeeee or an injury to our lone striker doesn't bear thinking about.
So, our first home defeat of the season and although Wigan may well prove to be champions in waiting, warning bells are beginning to tinkle....3 goals conceded tonight (albeit in conditions more suited to the hardy Northerners) for the second time in 3 matches must concern the gaffer whoever is the opposition. This squad of players needs to show more character ( balls!) and resilience when the first goal is conceded. I, for one, couldn't see where an equaliser would come from whilst no-one could accuse the faithful of not getting behind their team.
Let's hope that some important lessons have been learned tonight which will stand the lads & their coaches in good stead for the coming months.We are all too aware that it's a marathon, not a sprint and it's far too soon to "hit the wall".....
I am keeping the faith but tonight was a reality check for sure with certain frailties identified.
Let's hope both spirits and our points total rise on Saturday as the inevitable cold wind blows around the nether regions of the travelling fans in that awful "stand".
Time for Fanny's thermal G string !
As often, Fanny has accurately nailed our shortcomings. And her thermal G-string does sound more alluring than the "voluminous brown knickers" she threatened to dig out of the wardrobe a fortnight ago.
Well that was a kick in the nuts but we move on. Gilligham away is more then a winnable game and as long as we keep playing the way we have been we will be there or there abouts. Lose saturday and then start worrying win and we are still on course. Wigan and Blackburn for me look a class apart, Wigan i feel have the best manager in the division. We have to chalk this one up and get back to winning ways. I would not be surprised for one minute if Reeves comes in but have to say the failure to sign that striker is looking costly.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
Agree with the concensus - reality check, we looked tired, no plan B. Wigan outplayed us and were skillful at times, and cheating b***rds other times. Ref was appalling. Apart from Holmes we have no one with any guile. Solly shouldn't be captain, he's too nice - we needed someone to be getting in the refs face about all his pro-Pie Eater decisions.
The squad is not strong enough to play 3 games a week. Simple as that. Quite niave from KR to keep same 11. What does he do Saturday now as solly & kashi probably need a rest
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
How many poor performances qualifies me to be able to react with concern?
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
Not really when some of our fans seem to think we are far better than we actually are. We had a couple of false dawns in the Championship when we strung together a few decent results and then fell apart.
Last night showed our limitations and I can't see how we can try to play this style of football without players who are technically more adept. I don't particularly rate KR and I can't see us mounting a promotion challenge.
I would love us to do well this season but I just can't see it.
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Konsa seems the most likely player to come in if he rests Kashi or Solly. Reeves on the bench would be good to see, obviously too soon for him to start.
Really, those straws must be hard to clutch when wet
#sameforbothsides
#itrainsinengland
Nothing to worry about bad day at the office, my one dig which I'm sorry but had to be said Dodoo looks like he's just joined in after waking his dog across the park, just doesn't look like a footballer to me.
Every time we attacked it was with Dasilva and Holmes, all I ever saw KAG getting to do was run back to try and help Solly occasionally and then jog forward when we'd attack down the other side?
Others in the division will now follow suit.
Gobby has no Plan B or the personnel to implement any such plan.
Middle of table mediocrity beckons.
Both teams had good chances/efforts in the first half....ours being Fosu past the far post after he wriggled himself a bit of room, Kashi shooting narrowly wide from outside the box and the JFC/Magennis efforts.
But we got carved open a bit too easily for their first and I'm sure Konsa missed a routine header from a straight ball in the build up to their second.
Very impressed with Wigan and with Jason Pearce (he's 10 times the player he was during Slade's reign).
I'm not blaming the weather, I'm blaming us for not adapting to it and realising that the ball rolls slower on a wet pitch and it's easier to fall over.
Wigan adapted to the conditions better, cleared better, pressed higher, got the ball into danger areas.
One credit to Wigan was the great piece of Route 1 Football they played when it was still 1-0 I think... Goalkeeper released the ball to Jacobs who was on the halfway line, he then counter-attacked with just one of ours back (Solly if I'm right) to try and control him, yet it was only a poor shot from Jacobs that stopped it going 2-0!!
No bed wetting,whinging valium taking here but this was a wake up call, we are not as good as I thought we were, we have nothing, nada, zilch to come off the bench to change a game and from the three (albeit cameo) performances I have seen from Mr Dodoo, anyone who thinks he was scouted, coveted or anything other than a desperate end of window panic loan is having a laugh.
We have a strong first XI with a couple to come back from injury and could finish top six as we won't play Wigan every week, we have a team the supporters can unite around and relate to, one the supporters stayed with and clapped off at the final whistle (almost to their embarrassment).
But what remains clear is this season is not the start of a revolution and this season is not the owners 'Road to Damascus' moment with a happy ending. We have the richest owner in our history and a paper thin squad that has every likelihood of being further stripped away in January.
Perspective, we are still a good side, onto Gillingham hopefully with a few lessons learnt from last night, back to winning ways and remaining in and around the mix.
I hope we remain fully behind the team and manager as a fan base despite our shortcomings, they can and will be addressed further down the track, for now it's too early to do anything else, Up the Addicks and credit to Wigan who despite their tricks and playacting were a far superior side.
Now that part is put of the way, don't forget the spectre of some weird old prick is hanging over the club as a whole still. They haven't learned any lessons, just run out of their patsies to keep replacing in the managers chair. For whatever reason the squad will be an issue as the manager has set up to play 1 way and 1 way only and the key component to that system is a bloke with a questionable injury record who would have needed cover. If the owners wanted us to get out of the division the right way they would have strengthened, they've been utterly moronic as far as transfers go, totally decimating a decent squad to be replaced with pussies bought in from abroad and kids nowhere near ready for regular senior football.
No need to panic, we need to pick ourselves up and move on and have some cohesion!
No team plays well every game at the end of the day.
**Will add that I do think we need to work on other, more solid formations for against the stronger teams.
wigan by far the better team
we could have lost by more ..very lucky not to concede in first 20 seconds of both halves
holmes is the spark for almost anything we do as an attacking force ...feel a bit negative this morning
roland out
If that JFC goal had gone in at 0-0 the game would have been different. Sucker punch on half time and then we were chasing the game.
They did their homework on Holmes and had him doubled up every time.
Lets not forget this mob were champions not long ago and had a season in the champ last term. They have a far better squad.
I'm sticking with the team and KR and hope we will bounce back on Saturday and put this behind us.
against a team like wigan who have the players to execute such a game plan we will need to change our plan. problem is we don't have another plan. possibly playing an extra player in the middle might of helped, sacrificing Fosu but apart from that we just don't have anyone in the squad to help change the system. the bench today was woeful. a special mention to Ahearne grant who was piss poor when he came on to the point it was embarrassing. didn't want the ball and didn't track back to help solly. Dodo on the other side wasn't much better.
its not the end of the world that we lost but its worrying if other teams do the same with the tactics we would have little chance of counteracting it. if things do start to go wrong I'm not sure what we could change without weakening our side in other areas.
Karl likes this brand of attacking football and tbh so do I. we look good on the eye when things work out but it would be nice (and necessary) if when things arnt we have another idea.
We don't have many options on the bench and we don't inspire confidence defensively. We look mid table at best and I can see it being a long season.
I would like to think last night was just an off day but we were so poor it was embarrassing.
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
Solly shouldn't be captain, he's too nice - we needed someone to be getting in the refs face about all his pro-Pie Eater decisions.
Last night showed our limitations and I can't see how we can try to play this style of football without players who are technically more adept. I don't particularly rate KR and I can't see us mounting a promotion challenge.
I would love us to do well this season but I just can't see it.