Holmes needs to watch his discipline, chasing a player who took the ball of him, tackling from behind and gets his forth booking (I believe), one booking away from a suspension after only 7 league games.
He was getting frustrated - It was a stupid booking but if you took that from Holmes you take away part of his game. He was givingeverything. We needed two of him really yesterday.
I love to have managers who actually tell it like it is, and KR has done exactly that on the club website. Wigan's manager and players dominated us from start to finish, although I did not like their constant cheating. The Referee should retire immediately, or at the very least go straight to Specsavers. I accept that we all have different characters, but some of the stuff written on here is truly pathetic. To identify four of the team and declare them crap hopefully makes the m feel better, but is unreasonable. Presumably they identify themselves as supporters only after we win, they should perhaps move to Manchester. For me, we have a good honest manager and we are playing some of the best football for years. Well done to the Upper North choir, they never stopped supporting. I loved ' cry in a minute ' on Saturday, and last night I wanted to hear 'come in a taxi ' More please lads. Now lets learn the lesson, and go to the Gills Saturday and dominate them, leaving out the pathetic sight of bodies littering the pitch.
It's one game, but it was a test and it must now be apparent that we need to add some quality (for the league we are in) players if we're going to be in the top 2 come the end of the season.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
I don't get this "tired" suggestion as Robinson says the squad is very fit, also Wigan played on Saturday and no one has suggested that they were tired.
As for plan B, how can you have one with the standard of our bench
I don't get why people don't get that footballers can be tired.
You can be the fittest man in the world, but does this mean he can't get tired ?
Tiredness is relative. Charlton weren't too tired to run their nads off for 90+ minutes.
However, compared to Wigan we were definitely "leggy". I don't know why, other than the obvious point that we have basically had an unchanged team all season and had to give 100% on Saturday to beat Southend.
Every time I see "we need a Plan B" I read it as "we need to go to a flat 4-4-2 with a target man and a goal poacher up front and two wide men to lump crosses in and two no nonsense center halves and two central midfielders running around like Stevie G or Bryan Robson because that's the football I grew up on and I don't understand that England haven't won anything with that in 50+ years and an English club hasn't won anything since maybe United in '99."
Our approach is pretty gung-ho; perhaps bringing in an extra midfielder might be wise against the better sides - perhaps Konsa for Fosu and play Clarke Holmes as inside forwards off Magennis
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
What's the point in calling him Gobbinson? Seriously, at least come up with something funny.
Whats the point in slagging him off full stop? We will have shit games from time to time but this team can clearly play football, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Powell era, sometimes other teams will just be better.
The talent is there and if we look like we are going to make at least the play offs, I think we will make signings in Jan and really push on!
Could be a hopeless optimist but sod it! Ill try optimism for a change and see if it fits!
Because he sets the team up, decided the tactics & who to sub and when or if we turn to Plan B. Furthermore, because he is so set in wanting to play 4-5-1-1 he spent all summer chasing Reeves to the detriment of getting in at least ONE alterative / replacement striker, which came home to roost in spades last night....and to cap it all, the player he chased all summer is still not fit to even be on the bench (funny that, we were saying that when he was signed) and so he has to pack the bench with youngster and no experienced or reliable options.
Now, the above scenario may have been forced onto him by RD - if so, then have the balls to say so. Publish & be damned. If you can't stand the heat - don't start cooking in the first place.
Every time I see "we need a Plan B" I read it as "we need to go to a flat 4-4-2 with a target man and a goal poacher up front and two wide men to lump crosses in and two no nonsense center halves and two central midfielders running around like Stevie G or Bryan Robson because that's the football I grew up on and I don't understand that England haven't won anything with that in 50+ years and an English club hasn't won anything since maybe United in '99."
Funny how you see that time & again in a cup ties with 5 mins to go. Must be that ALL the other managers are wrong to try & score a goal this way.
What's the point in calling him Gobbinson? Seriously, at least come up with something funny.
Whats the point in slagging him off full stop? We will have shit games from time to time but this team can clearly play football, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Powell era, sometimes other teams will just be better.
The talent is there and if we look like we are going to make at least the play offs, I think we will make signings in Jan and really push on!
Could be a hopeless optimist but sod it! Ill try optimism for a change and see if it fits!
Because he sets the team up, decided the tactics & who to sub and when or if we turn to Plan B. Furthermore, because he is so set in wanting to play 4-5-1-1 he spent all summer chasing Reeves to the detriment of getting in at least ONE alterative / replacement striker, which came home to roost in spades last night....and to cap it all, the player he chased all summer is still not fit to even be on the bench (funny that, we were saying that when he was signed) and so he has to pack the bench with youngster and no experienced or reliable options.
Now, the above scenario may have been forced onto him by RD - if so, then have the balls to say so. Publish & be damned. If you can't stand the heat - don't start cooking in the first place.
Agreed, and he held his hand up and accepted the blame. The Gobbinson line is a bit childish really, but not the end of the world. But it's a bit naive to expect a manager to start blaming a club's owner.
Every time I see "we need a Plan B" I read it as "we need to go to a flat 4-4-2 with a target man and a goal poacher up front and two wide men to lump crosses in and two no nonsense center halves and two central midfielders running around like Stevie G or Bryan Robson because that's the football I grew up on and I don't understand that England haven't won anything with that in 50+ years and an English club hasn't won anything since maybe United in '99."
Whooah, hang on a minute buddy..I don't think it's quite as simple as that
The thing last night was, that Karl only made like for like subs. Konsa was asked to just do Kashis job. But Konsa is a fabulously versatile player who can cause chaos further forward ( see Northampton, nailed on penalty). KAG like fo like with Fosu, and promptly vanished. Well obviously Dodoo wasn't like for like with Billy Clarke, but he was out wide. Nobody got close to Josh, and in the meantime Wigan filled their boots...
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
There was one in the first half after about 20 minutes, strike was low and bloody well hit. That was a damn good save in my amateur book.
Every time I see "we need a Plan B" I read it as "we need to go to a flat 4-4-2 with a target man and a goal poacher up front and two wide men to lump crosses in and two no nonsense center halves and two central midfielders running around like Stevie G or Bryan Robson because that's the football I grew up on and I don't understand that England haven't won anything with that in 50+ years and an English club hasn't won anything since maybe United in '99."
Every time I see "we need a Plan B" I read it as "we need to go to a flat 4-4-2 with a target man and a goal poacher up front and two wide men to lump crosses in and two no nonsense center halves and two central midfielders running around like Stevie G or Bryan Robson because that's the football I grew up on and I don't understand that England haven't won anything with that in 50+ years and an English club hasn't won anything since maybe United in '99."
Find it sad that people now begin to call our manager "Gobby".
Atleast he had the balls to walk into a press conference after the game, made no excuses, said we were out played and he lost the battle in terms of tactics. He can put his hands and say we were outplayed and that they got it wrong, rather than pathetic childish comments.
As Karl said, they are together as a team when they win as well as when they lose.
Really is laughable how some people react to one result.
I agree; I think it's ridiculous how someone can come on here after a 3-0 loss and criticise supporters for expressing their concern at the result, or accuse people of going into meltdown after a few comments saying we didn't play well. Maybe you should take a little break from the 3-0 loss thread if you can't fathom people not being happy with losing badly.
The same people that were saying who our key players were a couple days before then proceed to say he shouldn't have been on the pitch you mean ? Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows, We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You seem to have a grievance with some very specific people by your posts. Maybe you just shouldn't take people's posts so personally. I think it is true that we have no plan B; we play a very specific way and if teams pressure us on the ball to break up our neat passing, get a bit cynical to disrupt the rhythm and double up on Holmes to stop him being able to drag us forward then we can be very pedestrian. Robinson is very keen on his way of playing and he doesn't like to change. The point there is that you can play stunning football 50 games in a row, but if a team figures how you are playing on the 51st game then you have to adapt, and Robinson hasn't shown that he's able to do that. It's a valid criticism. I don't really see why it's upset you so much. Cheer up.
What's the point in calling him Gobbinson? Seriously, at least come up with something funny.
Whats the point in slagging him off full stop? We will have shit games from time to time but this team can clearly play football, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Powell era, sometimes other teams will just be better.
The talent is there and if we look like we are going to make at least the play offs, I think we will make signings in Jan and really push on!
Could be a hopeless optimist but sod it! Ill try optimism for a change and see if it fits!
Because he sets the team up, decided the tactics & who to sub and when or if we turn to Plan B. Furthermore, because he is so set in wanting to play 4-5-1-1 he spent all summer chasing Reeves to the detriment of getting in at least ONE alterative / replacement striker, which came home to roost in spades last night....and to cap it all, the player he chased all summer is still not fit to even be on the bench (funny that, we were saying that when he was signed) and so he has to pack the bench with youngster and no experienced or reliable options.
Now, the above scenario may have been forced onto him by RD - if so, then have the balls to say so. Publish & be damned. If you can't stand the heat - don't start cooking in the first place.
Do we know it was a case of chase Reeves or sign a striker? Even if we had one a striker alone wouldn't have saved us last night.
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
I was there at the game. Yet the two-and-a-half minutes of highlights from Sky speak volumes. It wasn't just Wigan's goals that exposed our frailties; have a look at their near-misses.
Nick Powell stormed through our gaping central midfield at least twice in the second half to force Amos into diving saves. Wigan's first goal - and similar chances early in the first half - illustrate how vulnerable our defenders are to low, fast crosses. And under no pressure in our own box, poor DaSilva passed seven yards directly to a Wigan player to hammer in their third.
What the highlights don't show - because it's difficult to depict a void - is that we created not a single iota of goal-bound danger in the entire second half.
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
I was there at the game. Yet the two-and-a-half minutes of highlights from Sky speak volumes. It wasn't just Wigan's goals that exposed our frailties; have a look at their near-misses.
Nick Powell stormed through our gaping central midfield at least twice in the second half to force Amos into diving saves. Wigan's first goal - and similar chances early in the first half - illustrate how vulnerable our defenders are to low, fast crosses. And under no pressure in our own box, poor DaSilva passed seven yards directly to a Wigan player to hammer in their third.
What the highlights don't show - because it's difficult to depict a void - is that we created not a single iota of goal-bound danger in the entire second half.
Just watching the highlights on VP. Seems we had a few chances before they scored - had the JF-C shot gone in off the bar what a boost that would have been. And Fosu's shot had enough power to go in on another day. We weren't too lucky with rebounds either.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
I was there at the game. Yet the two-and-a-half minutes of highlights from Sky speak volumes. It wasn't just Wigan's goals that exposed our frailties; have a look at their near-misses.
Nick Powell stormed through our gaping central midfield at least twice in the second half to force Amos into diving saves. Wigan's first goal - and similar chances early in the first half - illustrate how vulnerable our defenders are to low, fast crosses. And under no pressure in our own box, poor DaSilva passed seven yards directly to a Wigan player to hammer in their third.
What the highlights don't show - because it's difficult to depict a void - is that we created not a single iota of goal-bound danger in the entire second half.
To me the biggest failure is allowing the crosses in, in the first place, whether that's the fault of the full backs or the lack of midfield cover. Any centre backs will struggle if you keep allowing attacking players to get to the byline and drive the ball across the box
Gobinson, the Fat Scouser ( there you go SDAddick) has no plan B let alone C or D. If things are not going right then you have to change it. This will be his downfall in the long run.
I would have thought these sort of insults were beneath you. You should be ashamed.
Kashi getting some pelters on the player marks thread, he is one that I think has a right to be knackered. A rest for him Saturday would be my choice but who comes in at CM?
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I accept that we all have different characters, but some of the stuff written on here is truly pathetic. To identify four of the team and declare them crap hopefully makes the m feel better, but is unreasonable. Presumably they identify themselves as supporters only after we win, they should perhaps move to Manchester. For me, we have a good honest manager and we are playing some of the best football for years.
Well done to the Upper North choir, they never stopped supporting. I loved ' cry in a minute ' on Saturday, and last night I wanted to hear 'come in a taxi ' More please lads.
Now lets learn the lesson, and go to the Gills Saturday and dominate them, leaving out the pathetic sight of bodies littering the pitch.
Chris Powell's promotion winning season!
Or those that were saying this is some of the best football we have played, then after a defeat we have no plan B
Facts are in a season you take the highs with the lows,
We got beat by a good team, accept it, don't start having a go at players after one bad result, and as for the Gobby remarks more like playground stuff.
You can be the fittest man in the world, but does this mean he can't get tired ?
Tiredness is relative. Charlton weren't too tired to run their nads off for 90+ minutes.
However, compared to Wigan we were definitely "leggy". I don't know why, other than the obvious point that we have basically had an unchanged team all season and had to give 100% on Saturday to beat Southend.
Their first goal: Kashi lost his defender. Pearce let it go past him, perhaps fearing an own goal.
Their second goal no-one followed Massy into the box.
Third goal showed Dasilva's right foot needs some work.
Amos made some decent saves, but none were anything other than what you'd expect a keeper to make.
Btw the commentator on VP pronounces the 'A' of Amos like the a in 'at'. It's 'a' like the 'a' in 'able' , isn't it?
PS 'Unhappy' Seed profile pic after a defeat like that.
Now, the above scenario may have been forced onto him by RD - if so, then have the balls to say so. Publish & be damned. If you can't stand the heat - don't start cooking in the first place.
But it's a bit naive to expect a manager to start blaming a club's owner.
The thing last night was, that Karl only made like for like subs. Konsa was asked to just do Kashis job. But Konsa is a fabulously versatile player who can cause chaos further forward ( see Northampton, nailed on penalty). KAG like fo like with Fosu, and promptly vanished. Well obviously Dodoo wasn't like for like with Billy Clarke, but he was out wide. Nobody got close to Josh, and in the meantime Wigan filled their boots...
Nick Powell stormed through our gaping central midfield at least twice in the second half to force Amos into diving saves. Wigan's first goal - and similar chances early in the first half - illustrate how vulnerable our defenders are to low, fast crosses. And under no pressure in our own box, poor DaSilva passed seven yards directly to a Wigan player to hammer in their third.
What the highlights don't show - because it's difficult to depict a void - is that we created not a single iota of goal-bound danger in the entire second half.