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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,730
    edited October 2018
    Steer can't even put enough pace on a pass to allow Pearce to wait for it, twice he had to infringe from a GK and come into the box. Picked for his distribution? Fucking ball at the end was 20 yards short of any red shirt.

    Seen nothing of Steer to suggest he deserves the shirt.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,024
    Is there some kind of clause that says Steer has to play? Surprised he played today after midweek, and if he plays against Barnsley then Phillips might as well start looking for a new club.
  • Ross
    Ross Posts: 4,412
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Is there some kind of clause that says Steer has to play? Surprised he played today after midweek, and if he plays against Barnsley then Phillips might as well start looking for a new club.

    Exactly what I’m thinking. Desperate for a goalie, and the only way Villa would loan him to us was if he plays.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    Ross said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Is there some kind of clause that says Steer has to play? Surprised he played today after midweek, and if he plays against Barnsley then Phillips might as well start looking for a new club.

    Exactly what I’m thinking. Desperate for a goalie, and the only way Villa would loan him to us was if he plays.
    Terminate the loan then. This is costing us points now and Phillips has to return.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,415
    edited October 2018
    cafc_harry said:

    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.

    Isnt a scapegoat its the inability to understand why Steer is being picked over Phillips when the stats speak for themselves, seeing that both players have now played the exact same amount of games

    Phillips: 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 - 6 goals conceded
    Steer: 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 - 12 goals conceded
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Steer was pretty cack today - can't take a proper goal kick and I felt was lucky to be awarded a foul when he seemed to spill a shot in the first half. His distribution was poor.

    Obviously he'll stay as our No1 as Bowyer knows it's important to back your loan keeper.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    the quandary is that our two first choice keepers right now are both dodgy
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafc_harry said:

    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.

    Isnt a scapegoat its the inability to understand why Steer is being picked over Phillips when the stats speak for themselves, seeing that both players have now played the exact same amount of games

    Phillips: 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 - 6 goals conceded
    Steer: 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 - 12 goals conceded
    Because everyone knows that every goal ever scored is exclusively on the keeper. Give over.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    cafc_harry said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafc_harry said:

    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.

    Isnt a scapegoat its the inability to understand why Steer is being picked over Phillips when the stats speak for themselves, seeing that both players have now played the exact same amount of games

    Phillips: 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 - 6 goals conceded
    Steer: 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 - 12 goals conceded
    Because everyone knows that every goal ever scored is exclusively on the keeper. Give over.
    Have u watched Steer.

    He doesnt come off his line
    He struggles to pass the ball to the defence

    I would be surprised if he has even made a save this season, nothing that stands out anyway
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,415
    cafc_harry said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafc_harry said:

    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.

    Isnt a scapegoat its the inability to understand why Steer is being picked over Phillips when the stats speak for themselves, seeing that both players have now played the exact same amount of games

    Phillips: 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 - 6 goals conceded
    Steer: 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 - 12 goals conceded
    Because everyone knows that every goal ever scored is exclusively on the keeper. Give over.
    So why was Phillips dropped then? - He made two errors in those six games yet Steer has made just as many himself

    It wont help either if the Defence dont have any faith in the man in goal either
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,699
    Steer is shit we have been given a bum steer.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,730
    edited October 2018
    cafc_harry said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafc_harry said:

    So you’ve all found your new scapegoat I see.

    Isnt a scapegoat its the inability to understand why Steer is being picked over Phillips when the stats speak for themselves, seeing that both players have now played the exact same amount of games

    Phillips: 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 - 6 goals conceded
    Steer: 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 - 12 goals conceded
    Because everyone knows that every goal ever scored is exclusively on the keeper. Give over.
    Pearce took him to one side after one of their corners and had a word with him. Probably trying to get him to leave his line. Not a good sign in my opinion.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,155
    We should sell/ give Phillips away then loan him back and he may have a chance of getting picked
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    I reckon Pearce should be more concerned about giving away back to back open crosses in the last 5 minutes. Nitpicking over passes Coventry let us have all game is very desperate.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Some of our fans have it in for Phillips and keen to exaggerate his faults. I see nothing in Steer that is better - could someone enlighten me why he's playing? It has to be down to the terms of the loan deal.

  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,829
    edited October 2018
    Will have to watch it again, but don’t think Steer can be blamed for either goal today. Thought he had a fairly solid game.

    Neither of them are worldies, but people forget it took Amos a month or so of regular football last season before he started to show real form
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    check it out .. https://www.skysports.com/football/charlton-vs-coventry/393230
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    AFKABartram said:

    Will have to watch it again, but don’t think Steer can be blamed for either goal today. Thought he had a fairly solid game.

    Neither of them are worldies, but people forget it took Amos a month or so of regular football last season before he started to show real form

    Can't blame Steer for the goals today but felt his distribution was poor(supposedly his strong point) and he doesn't seem confident. He spilled the ball in the first half and I felt he was lucky to be awarded a foul.

    Not seeing much improvement so far whereas Amos after a couple of shaky opening games really came to the fore.

    Hopefully things will improve...
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,736
    People are taking their frustration of Phillips not playing out on Steer IMO.

    Completely agree that Phillips should be playing, instead of getting in a loan every year. Rudd, Amos and now Steer.

    Would much rather one of our boys was playing, however I really don't think Steer has been terrible.

    So I half agree with the consensus. Phillips should be in goal, but not because Steer is poor. More because it's time for Phillips to step up and make the shirt his own for the next few years.
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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited October 2018
    It's not just about the goals Steer has conceded though, it's about the understanding he has with those around him and whether he commands his box. For me he hasn't impressed on either front as he appears to very much be a stay at home keeper.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    People are taking their frustration of Phillips not playing out on Steer IMO.

    Completely agree that Phillips should be playing, instead of getting in a loan every year. Rudd, Amos and now Steer.

    Would much rather one of our boys was playing, however I really don't think Steer has been terrible.

    So I half agree with the consensus. Phillips should be in goal, but not because Steer is poor. More because it's time for Phillips to step up and make the shirt his own for the next few years.

    I don't think Charlton see Dillon as a future keeper and imagine he'll leave at the end of the season. It looks like Steer will remain in goal barring injury.

  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    People are taking their frustration of Phillips not playing out on Steer IMO.

    Completely agree that Phillips should be playing, instead of getting in a loan every year. Rudd, Amos and now Steer.

    Would much rather one of our boys was playing, however I really don't think Steer has been terrible.

    So I half agree with the consensus. Phillips should be in goal, but not because Steer is poor. More because it's time for Phillips to step up and make the shirt his own for the next few years.

    Agree pretty much entirely with this, people are picking every possible fault of Steer’s in an attempt to get Phillips back in. No doubt the other side of the camp will start on Phillips when the change is made.

    On Steers distribution, yes he could be more accurate but I rather him putting his foot through every dodgy back pass and actually getting it past the halfway line rather than straight to an opposition player or out of play.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    cafc_harry said:

    Addickted2TheReds said:

    People are taking their frustration of Phillips not playing out on Steer IMO.

    Completely agree that Phillips should be playing, instead of getting in a loan every year. Rudd, Amos and now Steer.

    Would much rather one of our boys was playing, however I really don't think Steer has been terrible.

    So I half agree with the consensus. Phillips should be in goal, but not because Steer is poor. More because it's time for Phillips to step up and make the shirt his own for the next few years.

    Agree pretty much entirely with this, people are picking every possible fault of Steer’s in an attempt to get Phillips back in. No doubt the other side of the camp will start on Phillips when the change is made.

    On Steers distribution, yes he could be more accurate but I rather him putting his foot through every dodgy back pass and actually getting it past the halfway line rather than straight to an opposition player or out of play.
    If Steer was a big improvement on Phillips there wouldn't be an argument but it seems a bit daft to play a loan keeper if he isn't. The main argument I've heard in Steer's favour is his distribution but I didn't really see much of that today.

    I imagine Phillips will be off at the end of the season.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    AFKABartram said:

    Will have to watch it again, but don’t think Steer can be blamed for either goal today. Thought he had a fairly solid game.

    Neither of them are worldies, but people forget it took Amos a month or so of regular football last season before he started to show real form

    I think he can be, if he wasnt glued to his line he could have come out and caught the ball
  • JohnnyJoeyDeeDee
    JohnnyJoeyDeeDee Posts: 1,040
    edited October 2018
    Don't think that Phillips deserved to be dropped but some of the scapegoating of Steer is totally ridiculous. Reminds me of some of the crap aimed at Page last year.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,072
    Steer looks distinctively average so far. Don't think you can say he's cost us a goal but watching the winner its straight down the centre of the goal I'd expect most keepers to save it.
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,699
    When a keeper lets in 7 goals in 2 games and hardly makes a save in said games, it's not good. Positionly he is not good and not good in the air gives me no confidence.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    People are taking their frustration of Phillips not playing out on Steer IMO.

    Completely agree that Phillips should be playing, instead of getting in a loan every year. Rudd, Amos and now Steer.

    Would much rather one of our boys was playing, however I really don't think Steer has been terrible.

    So I half agree with the consensus. Phillips should be in goal, but not because Steer is poor. More because it's time for Phillips to step up and make the shirt his own for the next few years.

    But it isn’t just who is good or not, a responsibility of a goalkeeper is to give the defenders who play in-front of him confidence - we looked like a more confident defence when Phillips was in goal.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Phillips v Steer debate.

    I've seen the vast majority of all of their games and don't think there's much to choose between them.
    I thought people were unfair on Phillips, saying he didn't deserve a chance to be first team and I now think people are being unfair on Steer blaming him for 3 goals at Luton and again for yesterday.

    It may be that Phillips is better than Steer or vice versa, but I still think it's too early too tell.
    I can fully understand why having got a goalkeeper on loan from a higher division we are prepared to give him more than a handfull of games before discarding him.

    Amos wasn't at his best for the first 5 or 6 games last season and ended up being excellent.
    (I'm not suggesting either are as good as Amos, because I doubt they are).

    NB I should like to point out to all those slagging off Steer and saying how many goals he's conceded v Phillips have made no mention that Bauer, Beilik and Page are out injured !!!!
    Do all these Steer haters think there might just might be a connection that 3 of our 5 best defenders are out injured ?

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