Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Or maybe because Duchatelet refuses to pay the going rate and leaves the squad building / negotiating to the very last minute, when prices are higher. Same story every transfer window.
Apologies if that doesn't fit / challenges your point of view either, its all opinion though eh ?
Please tell me what you think the "going rate" is for someone like Will Grigg ??? £2m ?? £3m ??? I'm sure if we offered £5m Wigan would sell !! The problem is that they don't want to sell & don't need to sell. Its not like they have 6 or 7 strikers & he's on mega money that is blowing a hole in their wage bill.
I'm the first one to moan that we haven't signed a striker, but fairs fait. I wouldn't pay anymore than £750k for any League 1 striker
Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Or maybe because Duchatelet refuses to pay the going rate and leaves the squad building / negotiating to the very last minute, when prices are higher. Same story every transfer window.
Apologies if that doesn't fit / challenges your point of view either, its all opinion though eh ?
Please tell me what you think the "going rate" is for someone like Will Grigg ??? £2m ?? £3m ??? I'm sure if we offered £5m Wigan would sell !! The problem is that they don't want to sell & don't need to sell. Its not like they have 6 or 7 strikers & he's on mega money that is blowing a hole in their wage bill.
I'm the first one to moan that we haven't signed a striker, but fairs fait. I wouldn't pay anymore than £750k for any League 1 striker
In today's market, a million quid for a striker like Grigg isn't the worst bit of business you could go. In his last 3 seasons in this league, he has scored 20 odd goals.
Of course it's not guaranteed, but I would prefer to pay 1 Mil for Grigg then 500/600k for Akinde or Godden.
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
I remember everyone dismissed me when I said we made a mistake not going after David Ball, who was a free.
But we did go after him...
and lost out to the mighty Rotherham with their massive crowds, enormous stadium and mega, mega rich owner.
Which means I doubt we tried very hard.
I think a lot of managers say "We went after him" when it means all they did was make one phone call, look at a YouTube video and called it a day.
I can accept us losing a target to a team in the Championship, but not some crap club in our league. Or any club in League One. With the size, crowds and London location, frankly, if we put in the right effort, we should be able to get almost anyone we want if the only other bidders are in our division.
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
I still can't get over how someone living in California can have such an in depth knowledge/interest of league one football. I live in south east London, have done all my life and I don't know half the players you talk of
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
I still can't get over how someone living in California can have such an in depth knowledge/interest of league one football. I live in south east London, have done all my life and I don't know half the players you talk of
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
I still can't get over how someone living in California can have such an in depth knowledge/interest of league one football. I live in south east London, have done all my life and I don't know half the players you talk of
He's really Michael Driesen.
Oh christ Thomas doesnt have his Brother working with him now does he? - Least it'll mean we have two scouts instead of one now
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
Can't understand why you missed the yound striker from Walsall I have been banging on about. Whoops, I said I would never mention him again on this thread. Oh well.
I think the problem with the young players is that Robbo has said he wants better than we have, and that means to me, proven at this level. Taken at face value a striker will need to be as good as, or better, than Mag.
We don't need any young defenders or goalkeeper as we have plenty coming through at just the right age. We do need an experienced number 2 goalkeeper.
That interview is so clearly about Will Grigg... Wigan would be silly to sell him to us,I really think we are a 20 goal a season striker away from a very good season
That interview is so clearly about Will Grigg... Wigan would be silly to sell him to us,I really think we are a 20 goal a season striker away from a very good season
One interesting aspect is if you look at the Wigan Squad...
They themselves only have four Strikers at the moment (Grigg | Toney | Massey | Hunt) so if they let Grigg join us then they themselves drop to having just three Strikers (seems the norm for clubs to have at least four)
Only way we'll get Will Grigg is if they manage to find a replacement first... thats if they want to find a replacement.
Also if Paul Warne (Rotherham) is being serious when he sees Charlton as title contenders and a benchmark then nearly every other Manager in this League will have the same opinion which for me means we have to sign a Striker who isnt already in this Division!!
Think we need a RB as well as another Striker. We do need a back up GK to enable Phillips to get one full season before coming back to compete for the No.1 spot.
Dijksteel is a good player but he isn't a RB and to be honest, he could do with a loan somewhere for at least 6 months.
Solly has looked off the pace after reports and seeing him myself at Plymouth, he needs capable cover. Striker and a Keeper are obvious I would say.
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
I still can't get over how someone living in California can have such an in depth knowledge/interest of league one football. I live in south east London, have done all my life and I don't know half the players you talk of
He's really Michael Driesen.
Oh christ Thomas doesnt have his Brother working with him now does he? - Least it'll mean we have two scouts instead of one now
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
The problems with this is approach are that:
1) As we have seen with some of our recent signings, if the players don't develop as hoped the they are stuck in the wage bill and we can't even give them away
2) All clubs are trying to sign these kind of players so their prices are often driven up and do not offer much better value than established players and may not still be here when they can do the job an older player can do from day one.
3) A few players like this in the squad can be managed, too many and the results suffer. I would maintain that we have enough of those slots filled with our own youth players and That may we'll be the case for a while.
It's true that we are not Man Utd but we're not shopping in the same pool as them and I would also suggest that compared to League One we are close to being a relative Man Utd.
I'm sure that you are very fastidious in your research but I suspect that the same can be said of hose that chose Polish Pete, Nego, Tudadean etc. There is a relationship between the obvious accuracy of a player's development (and therefore his price and, by definition, how much money we can make on him) and the price of signing him. It's similar to the buying of shares or other investments.
It's all well and good buying players that might be world class but might also have to be paid off if they fail to deliver but it's high risk and I would argue that a club needs to be very wealthy in order to take on the potential burden if more than one or two players are speculated on in this fashion.
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
Mmmmm, not really. The one's I have recommended signing this window are the following....
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
The problems with this is approach are that:
1) As we have seen with some of our recent signings, if the players don't develop as hoped the they are stuck in the wage bill and we can't even give them away
2) All clubs are trying to sign these kind of players so their prices are often driven up and do not offer much better value than established players and may not still be here when they can do the job an older player can do from day one.
3) A few players like this in the squad can be managed, too many and the results suffer. I would maintain that we have enough of those slots filled with our own youth players and That may we'll be the case for a while.
It's true that we are not Man Utd but we're not shopping in the same pool as them and I would also suggest that compared to League One we are close to being a relative Man Utd.
I'm sure that you are very fastidious in your research but I suspect that the same can be said of hose that chose Polish Pete, Nego, Tudadean etc. There is a relationship between the obvious accuracy of a player's development (and therefore his price and, by definition, how much money we can make on him) and the price of signing him. It's similar to the buying of shares or other investments.
It's all well and good buying players that might be world class but might also have to be paid off if they fail to deliver but it's high risk and I would argue that a club needs to be very wealthy in order to take on the potential burden if more than one or two players are speculated on in this fashion.
Definitely not. In the one u21 game I saw Polish Pete it was obvious he wasn't good enough for our first team. Didn't have the touch and strength to replace Yann while he didn't have enough pace to offer that type of threat.
They completely underestimated the league and the players we already had. There was no understanding or attention to detail.
What there needs to be is a balance. In 2011 we signed younger but proven players that were on the up such as Stephens and Wiggins. They didn't all work out, Green being an example of that.
I doubt a whole team of players like that would worked out, that's where signing reliable and experienced players like Cort, Hughes etc was also important.
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I'm the first one to moan that we haven't signed a striker, but fairs fait. I wouldn't pay anymore than £750k for any League 1 striker
Of course it's not guaranteed, but I would prefer to pay 1 Mil for Grigg then 500/600k for Akinde or Godden.
Ollie Watkins, age 21, POY, forward, because he was apparently the best player in all of L2. Obviously he would be hard to get, as he wanted the Championship. But he sold for £1.8M, only. Buying him at that price is far better than Grigg at a mil, imho.
David Ball, striker, because he has been constantly averaging about 10-13 since 2011 and he was free (plus 1.85m tall its nice to have height.) Free. Repeat. Free. I'll take Ball on a free over Grigg for a mil anyday.
James Justin, age 20, defender, because he was not very expensive (under $1m), apparently has a great attitude, has the size and speed and was one of the best defenders in L2 and could help us for a decade.
Liam Lindsay, age 23, defender, because he is big, has a great attitude, and was one of the best players in Scotland, and is young with good upside, and could have been bought for £350k, possibly.
Aaron Pierre, age 24, defender, who is considered one of the best defenders in L2, costs £300k or so.
Nathan Thomas, POY, striker, who was a "close to" free and has some amazing highlights, age 20, with upside.
Nathan Smith, defender, age 23, POY for Port Vale and according to their own fans a really good defender
Lawrence Vigouroux, keeper, multiple POY, has the size, attitude, age 24
Billy Waters, striker, a bit small but ferocious apparently and great attitude and just 23.
So of the 9 people I hoped we would make a run at, only 4 were scorers and none were league leaders in scoring. I wanted them because they were either free, with a solid history of scoring. Or were very young and considered extremely good with huge upside by their own fan base and those watching. I wanted Ball because I felt he was as good as any striker we had and was free. Key word. Free.
Now we are behind the 8-ball, the season is underway, and we are gonna spend 1 million on someone at the last minute. Desperation rarely works out.
Yes, I am data driven, but not the kind of data of... who scored, alone. I am a fan of meta-data, all of which indicates spending money on transfers of players in their prime (or past, like Marshall) leads to poor long-term relative results compared to buying younger players with upside. We are not ManU or PSG. We are a club in the middle of League One, trying to get out. I believe we should be stockpiling the best young players from the league below us and improving them, not spending millions on those in their prime (or past) with a history of injuries like Grigg or Marshall. I like gathering POY from clubs. When the entire team or fan base votes someone POY, that gets my attention, especially is they are young and getting better.
Plus, you are forgetting another possibility... what if we get Grigg for a mil and then RD decides to recoup that by selling Konsa for £3 mil. How would that tickle your fancy?
Which means I doubt we tried very hard.
I think a lot of managers say "We went after him" when it means all they did was make one phone call, look at a YouTube video and called it a day.
I can accept us losing a target to a team in the Championship, but not some crap club in our league. Or any club in League One. With the size, crowds and London location, frankly, if we put in the right effort, we should be able to get almost anyone we want if the only other bidders are in our division.
I think the problem with the young players is that Robbo has said he wants better than we have, and that means to me, proven at this level. Taken at face value a striker will need to be as good as, or better, than Mag.
We don't need any young defenders or goalkeeper as we have plenty coming through at just the right age. We do need an experienced number 2 goalkeeper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigan_Athletic_F.C.#Players
They themselves only have four Strikers at the moment (Grigg | Toney | Massey | Hunt) so if they let Grigg join us then they themselves drop to having just three Strikers (seems the norm for clubs to have at least four)
Only way we'll get Will Grigg is if they manage to find a replacement first... thats if they want to find a replacement.
Also if Paul Warne (Rotherham) is being serious when he sees Charlton as title contenders and a benchmark then nearly every other Manager in this League will have the same opinion which for me means we have to sign a Striker who isnt already in this Division!!
Dijksteel is a good player but he isn't a RB and to be honest, he could do with a loan somewhere for at least 6 months.
Solly has looked off the pace after reports and seeing him myself at Plymouth, he needs capable cover. Striker and a Keeper are obvious I would say.
1) As we have seen with some of our recent signings, if the players don't develop as hoped the they are stuck in the wage bill and we can't even give them away
2) All clubs are trying to sign these kind of players so their prices are often driven up and do not offer much better value than established players and may not still be here when they can do the job an older player can do from day one.
3) A few players like this in the squad can be managed, too many and the results suffer. I would maintain that we have enough of those slots filled with our own youth players and That may we'll be the case for a while.
It's true that we are not Man Utd but we're not shopping in the same pool as them and I would also suggest that compared to League One we are close to being a relative Man Utd.
I'm sure that you are very fastidious in your research but I suspect that the same can be said of hose that chose Polish Pete, Nego, Tudadean etc. There is a relationship between the obvious accuracy of a player's development (and therefore his price and, by definition, how much money we can make on him) and the price of signing him. It's similar to the buying of shares or other investments.
It's all well and good buying players that might be world class but might also have to be paid off if they fail to deliver but it's high risk and I would argue that a club needs to be very wealthy in order to take on the potential burden if more than one or two players are speculated on in this fashion.
i.e. Didnt Powell and Varney specifically target players based on their marital status for the uprooting reason?
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West Brom. Top young striker Ty Roberts. Set for a loan. Walsall heading the queue.
No link to us but someone who played in league 1 last season and is available on loan.
5'9" and can play wide and upfront.
They completely underestimated the league and the players we already had. There was no understanding or attention to detail.
What there needs to be is a balance. In 2011 we signed younger but proven players that were on the up such as Stephens and Wiggins. They didn't all work out, Green being an example of that.
I doubt a whole team of players like that would worked out, that's where signing reliable and experienced players like Cort, Hughes etc was also important.
LR is Leam Richardson, Wigan Asst Manager, speaking at their press conference speaking to local radio journalist.