Good signing, scored a screamer against us up there last season, Can see another being added as well, wouldn't be surprise me if Novak went to Rotherham.
"Another being added as well"? We aren't signing Ball...
For a billionaire businessman Roland does appear to be a bit thick sometimes. He is supposedly looking to sell the club but he wants an unrealistic price. Well listen here Douchbag if you shell out one million on Grigg and we win promotion Charlton 's value will probably increase by about ten million. So do everyone a favour including yourself and give Robinson the tools he needs to take us up .
To me that just reads as "Look how hard we're trying"
Love to be proved wrong but can't see us bringing in a 'big' name
Well, it is entirely possible that they are trying hard but it's not happening for the very reasons KR states - clubs are asking too much money in order to release players they are not that keen to sell. And if it that is the case, given the endless criticism they get can you blame them for trying to change the narrative?
The club really are damned if they do and damned if they don't these days. On one hand the club are constantly mocked for over paying for players and handing out too long contracts and the idea they have learnt lessons is also mercilessly mocked, but when they appear to be trying do do things differently, to get better deals for players and hand out more sensible contracts people are complaining they should spend more and tie players to longer deals.
Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Maybe he is. But is that good enough?
Footballs is a results business, off the pitch as well as on it. Would Robinson accept his players saying "well I tried to score but the other team had good defenders and a keeper in form"? No, of course not. Obstacles are expected and it is his and Meire's job to overcome them. To find a way.
Be that persuading Duchatelet to provide a bit more money, being better at negotiating, whatever. It's their job to make Charlton successful, not tell the fans why they couldn't do that.
And £1.5m to £2m for a striker who will make a big difference, that can do for us what Billy Sharp did for Sheffield United, is not (or should not be) out of the question. Are we in this league to win it, or not? If yes, let Duchatelet and Meire put their money where their mouth is. If not, then cut the excuses.
I guess this depends on who is paying the £1.5 to £2m. Are you offering to pay it?
Stupid comment.
So a third division striker is ok at £2m just as long as someone else is paying for it?
I, personally, think that £2m (or even £1.5m) is irresponsible for a player that hasn't proved himself above the level where very few clubs can afford to sign him. If anything this kind of 'investment' is more similar to the 'value for money' that we got for the likes of a Naby Sarr or Polish Pete.
If he is not good enough for the Championship then if we go up we'll be stuck with him on wages that we would have to subsidise to move him on.
I find every bit as stupid to expect the club to sign players for these kind of sums of money as I do asking you if you'd be happy to pay for it.
Facts:
1. Our owner is mega-rich
2. Very little of the Lookman windfall has so far been spent.
3. The FD has confirmed no issues with FFP
4. The club have declared that they want to mount a promotion campaign.
We have the money. We have the rhetoric. We now need the actions to match the rhetoric. To be fair, they've done ok so far this transfer window but a failure to buy a good striker could undo all that good work.
We can afford it. It comes down to intent.
And, by the way, no problem with your point of view. It's perfectly valid. But the "are you offering to pay it" is way below your usual level of debate.
I always liked the way we looked to sign players with Curbs and Varney. Under the radar, cards close to chest, keeping everything discreet.
Okay, today we have social media and someone's Mum knows the tea lady at the training ground ..... but come on Karl, just do the business and tell us about it once the player is signed up.
It's a poker game. Robinson is the player who talks a lot at the table, Curbs was the guy saying nothing.
It doesn't matter beyond PR which is all it is.
We'll see on 1 September who we have or don't have and can judge then how well he's been backed. Right now it's all talk for the media and doesn't mean anything when one CEO rings another and tries to make a deal.
I agree with KR that this is a strong squad if we stay free of injuries but that is unlikely as we have already seen.
Still expect to see a loan striker come in like the kid from Burnley. Ideal as doubt they will insist he starts every game.
Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Or maybe because Duchatelet refuses to pay the going rate and leaves the squad building / negotiating to the very last minute, when prices are higher. Same story every transfer window.
Apologies if that doesn't fit / challenges your point of view either, its all opinion though eh ?
Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Maybe he is. But is that good enough?
Footballs is a results business, off the pitch as well as on it. Would Robinson accept his players saying "well I tried to score but the other team had good defenders and a keeper in form"? No, of course not. Obstacles are expected and it is his and Meire's job to overcome them. To find a way.
Be that persuading Duchatelet to provide a bit more money, being better at negotiating, whatever. It's their job to make Charlton successful, not tell the fans why they couldn't do that.
And £1.5m to £2m for a striker who will make a big difference, that can do for us what Billy Sharp did for Sheffield United, is not (or should not be) out of the question. Are we in this league to win it, or not? If yes, let Duchatelet and Meire put their money where their mouth is. If not, then cut the excuses.
I guess this depends on who is paying the £1.5 to £2m. Are you offering to pay it?
Stupid comment.
So a third division striker is ok at £2m just as long as someone else is paying for it?
I, personally, think that £2m (or even £1.5m) is irresponsible for a player that hasn't proved himself above the level where very few clubs can afford to sign him. If anything this kind of 'investment' is more similar to the 'value for money' that we got for the likes of a Naby Sarr or Polish Pete.
If he is not good enough for the Championship then if we go up we'll be stuck with him on wages that we would have to subsidise to move him on.
I find every bit as stupid to expect the club to sign players for these kind of sums of money as I do asking you if you'd be happy to pay for it.
Facts:
1. Our owner is mega-rich
2. Very little of the Lookman windfall has so far been spent.
3. The FD has confirmed no issues with FFP
4. The club have declared that they want to mount a promotion campaign.
We have the money. We have the rhetoric. We now need the actions to match the rhetoric. To be fair, they've done ok so far this transfer window but a failure to buy a good striker could undo all that good work.
We can afford it. It comes down to intent.
And, by the way, no problem with your point of view. It's perfectly valid. But the "are you offering to pay it" is way below your usual level of debate.
Pretty much my view, and a bit disappointed with Kings Hill. We have a mega rich boss. We want out of the league. Ergo..... other clubs put the prices up. Not a good moment to be playing the skint guy on the block. We've spent next to nothing this window. Watt, Ajose, Tex etc have all gone. The Lookman money is untouched. Yet we are haggling like an eighty year old over the price of a cuppa. You are right, it's not my money. But the ongoing losses aren't down to me either. Soooo .... do we want promotion, or to settle down as a big fish in tier 3?
2 clubs have been interested in Lennon so I don't think it would be a problem to get him offloaded. I suspect he will keep him and Sarr to cover LB between them. Either that or he is back training as an emergency striker.
Two things the club need to be defended on Imo: 1 - we have had a good summer of recruitment, regardless of how little has been spent on transfer fees. Two good fees paid for Fosu and Clarke, two good loans and 2 of the best free agents in the league. Nobody has left that I was particularly bothered about. Tex was good but we still have 3 good CBs and Igor would have been very useful but I doubt he wanted to be here. 2 - people now asking the club to go get a quality striker. If it were that easy, every club would. Even goalscorers like Godden and Akinde have large price tags and aren't that proven. Us and Wigan are two of the favourites to go up, of course they aren't going to be keen to help strengthen a rival.
I suspect Grigg could be got but we would have to pay above his value. For all the talk of signing British players, I think we might have to go abroad.
Or maybe the players he wants are being overpriced because people know we actually do have a bit of money.
Who knows - and I know this is radical, but maybe he's telling the truth.
Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative but that's life sometimes.
Maybe he is. But is that good enough?
Footballs is a results business, off the pitch as well as on it. Would Robinson accept his players saying "well I tried to score but the other team had good defenders and a keeper in form"? No, of course not. Obstacles are expected and it is his and Meire's job to overcome them. To find a way.
Be that persuading Duchatelet to provide a bit more money, being better at negotiating, whatever. It's their job to make Charlton successful, not tell the fans why they couldn't do that.
And £1.5m to £2m for a striker who will make a big difference, that can do for us what Billy Sharp did for Sheffield United, is not (or should not be) out of the question. Are we in this league to win it, or not? If yes, let Duchatelet and Meire put their money where their mouth is. If not, then cut the excuses.
I guess this depends on who is paying the £1.5 to £2m. Are you offering to pay it?
Stupid comment.
So a third division striker is ok at £2m just as long as someone else is paying for it?
I, personally, think that £2m (or even £1.5m) is irresponsible for a player that hasn't proved himself above the level where very few clubs can afford to sign him. If anything this kind of 'investment' is more similar to the 'value for money' that we got for the likes of a Naby Sarr or Polish Pete.
If he is not good enough for the Championship then if we go up we'll be stuck with him on wages that we would have to subsidise to move him on.
I find every bit as stupid to expect the club to sign players for these kind of sums of money as I do asking you if you'd be happy to pay for it.
Facts:
1. Our owner is mega-rich
2. Very little of the Lookman windfall has so far been spent.
3. The FD has confirmed no issues with FFP
4. The club have declared that they want to mount a promotion campaign.
We have the money. We have the rhetoric. We now need the actions to match the rhetoric. To be fair, they've done ok so far this transfer window but a failure to buy a good striker could undo all that good work.
We can afford it. It comes down to intent.
And, by the way, no problem with your point of view. It's perfectly valid. But the "are you offering to pay it" is way below your usual level of debate.
Fair enough. It wasn't my finest moment.
Re point 2, I think that windfall went on the running costs last season.
I do agree that we need a striker and a decent one at this lever, or better, is going to make a big difference to our potential promotion campaign. I just think I am a little more sympathetic to the club not paying well over the odds for players - especially as those running it, currently, have shown that they are not good judges of value for money.
I believe Grigg scored a whopping 8 goals all last year in all competitions.
I do not see him as a solution. Certainly not worth over a million!
Everyone remembers the prior year when the song was named after him. But he has not replicated anything close to that before or since.
I think the clamour for him is desperation blinding people to the data suggesting he is probably not even as good as what we have.
You're moaning at people for basing opinions on data, but most of your posts about players you want are based on their stats and I'm pretty sure you done a wish list of players you wanted when the window opened and the only thing you knew about them was that they had won player of the year at their clubs the season before
Yes, we should have got someone in earlier, especially if Novak is unsettled
To be fair, we're hardly the only club desperately trying to do business in the last week of the window, just about every club is desperate to do business
I believe Grigg scored a whopping 8 goals all last year in all competitions.
I do not see him as a solution. Certainly not worth over a million!
Everyone remembers the prior year when the song was named after him. But he has not replicated anything close to that before or since.
I think the clamour for him is desperation blinding people to the data suggesting he is probably not even as good as what we have.
So you're moaning about people using the 'data' as a reason for signing him yet you're completely wrong about it. More so than that every single player you've named for us to sign has been nothing more than a Google search of top scorers.
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He is supposedly looking to sell the club but he wants an unrealistic price.
Well listen here Douchbag if you shell out one million on Grigg and we win promotion Charlton 's value will probably increase by about ten million.
So do everyone a favour including yourself and give Robinson the tools he needs to take us up .
I would love to believe this, but i'm stuck between not knowing and not caring if it is actually true.
Robinson forcing the issue by the looks. You hate it when it's against you but like having a manager who puts the pressure on the selling team.
Love to be proved wrong but can't see us bringing in a 'big' name
The club really are damned if they do and damned if they don't these days. On one hand the club are constantly mocked for over paying for players and handing out too long contracts and the idea they have learnt lessons is also mercilessly mocked, but when they appear to be trying do do things differently, to get better deals for players and hand out more sensible contracts people are complaining they should spend more and tie players to longer deals.
1. Our owner is mega-rich
2. Very little of the Lookman windfall has so far been spent.
3. The FD has confirmed no issues with FFP
4. The club have declared that they want to mount a promotion campaign.
We have the money. We have the rhetoric. We now need the actions to match the rhetoric. To be fair, they've done ok so far this transfer window but a failure to buy a good striker could undo all that good work.
We can afford it. It comes down to intent.
And, by the way, no problem with your point of view. It's perfectly valid. But the "are you offering to pay it" is way below your usual level of debate.
I always liked the way we looked to sign players with Curbs and Varney.
Under the radar, cards close to chest, keeping everything discreet.
Okay, today we have social media and someone's Mum knows the tea lady at the training ground ..... but come on Karl, just do the business and tell us about it once the player is signed up.
It doesn't matter beyond PR which is all it is.
We'll see on 1 September who we have or don't have and can judge then how well he's been backed. Right now it's all talk for the media and doesn't mean anything when one CEO rings another and tries to make a deal.
I agree with KR that this is a strong squad if we stay free of injuries but that is unlikely as we have already seen.
Still expect to see a loan striker come in like the kid from Burnley. Ideal as doubt they will insist he starts every game.
Apologies if that doesn't fit / challenges your point of view either, its all opinion though eh ?
Pretty much my view, and a bit disappointed with Kings Hill. We have a mega rich boss. We want out of the league. Ergo..... other clubs put the prices up. Not a good moment to be playing the skint guy on the block. We've spent next to nothing this window. Watt, Ajose, Tex etc have all gone. The Lookman money is untouched. Yet we are haggling like an eighty year old over the price of a cuppa.
You are right, it's not my money. But the ongoing losses aren't down to me either. Soooo .... do we want promotion, or to settle down as a big fish in tier 3?
Two things the club need to be defended on Imo:
1 - we have had a good summer of recruitment, regardless of how little has been spent on transfer fees. Two good fees paid for Fosu and Clarke, two good loans and 2 of the best free agents in the league. Nobody has left that I was particularly bothered about. Tex was good but we still have 3 good CBs and Igor would have been very useful but I doubt he wanted to be here.
2 - people now asking the club to go get a quality striker. If it were that easy, every club would. Even goalscorers like Godden and Akinde have large price tags and aren't that proven. Us and Wigan are two of the favourites to go up, of course they aren't going to be keen to help strengthen a rival.
I suspect Grigg could be got but we would have to pay above his value. For all the talk of signing British players, I think we might have to go abroad.
Re point 2, I think that windfall went on the running costs last season.
I do agree that we need a striker and a decent one at this lever, or better, is going to make a big difference to our potential promotion campaign. I just think I am a little more sympathetic to the club not paying well over the odds for players - especially as those running it, currently, have shown that they are not good judges of value for money.
I do not see him as a solution. Certainly not worth over a million!
Everyone remembers the prior year when the song was named after him. But he has not replicated anything close to that before or since.
I think the clamour for him is desperation blinding people to the data suggesting he is probably not even as good as what we have.
Also he would be a much better option than Novak
1 not "everyone" dismissed you
2. We did go after him
How is he not as good as what we have?
To be fair, we're hardly the only club desperately trying to do business in the last week of the window, just about every club is desperate to do business