People not wanting the Aussies, is just ridiculous. If the recent VoTV is anything to go by I can just imagine RD moving the goal posts constantly. I imagine it’s just as frustrating for them as it is for us.
We’re talking millions of pounds, yes in the grand scheme of things 7mil is not a lot in comparison to the sale. However, these people are businessmen, they didn’t get their wealth by spending 7mil willy nilly.
If they’ve stuck around this long , that shows me they have an interest to get the club to the promise land. Surely they’d have given up by now if it wasn’t worth it to them.
Just see see how it pans out with them... everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.
“everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.” That’s news to me, there was considerable misgivings the moment Kermorgant and Morrison were shown the door. Yes, we were pleased to have got shot of “The Spivs” but to say we were totally enamoured with Goldfinger and his weird scheme from the word go is somewhat wide of the mark.
Ok, I over egged what I said slightly (in relation to RD).
However, people on here and other forums saying “it’s only 7mil” (or words to that effect) make me die. 7mil in any context is a lot of money, especially when you don’t necessarily have to spend it. It’s easy typing 7mil but if that was your money, I bet the majority wouldn’t want to let go of it. Those same people are now probably reading this thinking “to get the sale through, i’d spend it” still don’t get it.
Just imagine buying a house, the person you’re buying off made a load of improvements and paid on a credit card. They then say “do us a favour, give us an extra 70k so we can pay the outstanding debt” we’d all tell them where to go. I know it’s not the same context in relation to the sale but people need to realise that people don’t want to just give money away for no reason.
I think people know £7,000,000 is a fair old lump.....but in the scheme of things percentage wise it’s not beyond the realms of possibility to come up with the extra.
tell em to get it done within two weeks from now and I’ve got em two tickets in the Grandstand at Lords, June 25th , I’ll buy all the beers , with me and some pissed up mates taking the piss out of the Aussies , my treat .
if they secure a decent squad and Bowyer I can do the same for The Ashes at Lords ,although I’m not about for the first few days , so that makes that more attractive .
I see this all as relatively good news. We now appear to have confirmation of an active negotiation with all parties semingly moving closer together. As I suspected Aussies only seem able to progress in/around the price level under negotation if we are in Championship and therefore a better bet.
Whether the ex a Directors like it or not they have a role to play but entirely up to them how they choose to negotiate as its their money.
Its also flushing out out some others who may bid it appears.
@JamesSeed. You're far more involved in this than you let on. Don't think I would be sloshing out as much info as you claim to have been getting to some chap I met at my daughter's school.
I guess they’re using you to put out what they want Roland to hear/believe. All part of the ‘game’ that is selling CAFC. Time for both sides to stop titting about and close the deal.
I see no good reason for the Aussies to pay off the ex-directors loans if a price had been agreed that included Duchatelet paying them - other than to finalise the deal, let this takeover happen and start the re-building process for the new season. However, Airman reports that Murphy has already offered the ex-directors 50% which they have understandably rejected. If Duchatelet paid them the other 50% then they couldn’t refuse the loans being repaid in full, and we can move on from this sorry affair. And I can enjoy a celebratory Pot Noodle.
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Meanwhile the potential king Charles III the prince in waiting, is waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting, IF he becomes king he will be older than William IV who became King at 69 and is the oldest prince ever to ascend to the throne.
JamesSeed. You're far more involved in this than you let on. Don't think I would be sloshing out as much info as you claim to have been getting to some chap I met at my daughter's school.
I guess they’re using you to put out what they want Roland to hear/believe. All part of the ‘game’ that is selling CAFC. Time for both sides to stop titting about and close the deal.
Perhaps, but don't seem very conventional or professional from either side imo
Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
OR
Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
I'm not 100% certain. However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales. The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges. The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered. Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ? The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages ! Plus by whom ?
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies. The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them. The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off. So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.
I don't think AFKA was saying not to discuss the takeover. Without speaking for him my interpretation of the point he was making was a very similar viewpoint to mine in that it does seem for about the umpteenth time we're all arguing with each other over whether a price has really been agreed or not and have The Aussies got the money? And I make AFKA correct it does almost feel like we are picking over quotes from the last 12 months where no doubt there is a mixture of spin, truth and lies in there and frankly it does get tedious and tiresome to keep re-reading it over and over.
There's probably an easier solution out there which would be to create a flow chart of all the possible theories that have been discussed over the last two years, 1672 pages and 51k comments to save reading the same arguments over and over again.
Point is that things are moving, of which RD’s statement is one aspect, and there is some solid information coming into the public domain, with more likely to follow. So it’s not the case that we are simply going over old ground at all. Even if it feels like it!
Is that your ex Directors statement, or is there something else on the horizon?
Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
OR
Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
I'm not 100% certain. However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales. The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges. The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered. Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ? The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages ! Plus by whom ?
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies. The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them. The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off. So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Never trust an Aussie.
Can I buy your house from you but pay you when I win the National Lottery?
Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
OR
Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
I'm not 100% certain. However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales. The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges. The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered. Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ? The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages ! Plus by whom ?
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies. The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them. The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off. So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Never trust an Aussie.
Can I buy your house from you but pay you when I win the National Lottery?
Don't want the Aussies either tbh, sounds like things wont be any different, certainly doubt our budget will be any bigger, but at least Roland will be gone I suppose, small mercies and all that!
how can you assume that? How do you know what their budget will be?
Don't want the Aussies either tbh, sounds like things wont be any different, certainly doubt our budget will be any bigger, but at least Roland will be gone I suppose, small mercies and all that!
how can you assume that? How do you know what their budget will be?
Don't assume anything, and I hope I'm wrong, just have a bad feeling about this consortium but as I said hope I'm wrong and all is good.
You're not the only one ( for no good reason, just worried I suppose :-( )
Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
OR
Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
I'm not 100% certain. However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales. The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges. The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered. Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ? The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages ! Plus by whom ?
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies. The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them. The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off. So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Never trust an Aussie.
Can I buy your house from you but pay you when I win the National Lottery?
Not even close to an analogy old bean. If I sell you my house but you know the interest free loan for the windows I had installed is only due to be repaid when you win the lottery then you may be getting close.....
Anyhow. After reading the last 6 pages since my recent post I'm starting to think the Aussies are taking the p**s. I am certainly not a RD appeaser & want him gone like the rest......but there is no reason why the loans need to be repaid NOW.....and asking the "7" to take 25% now & the rest later, with the undertaking of them being removed as security should make everyone wonder wtf ! What sort of deal is that ??!! Who does that benefit ??
As has been said many a time on here. If the Aussies have such a 'plan' & a budget to match, which means they arent willing to pay £2m now to settle some of the loans (I believe Airman said that some of the ex-directors are happy to settle for less) then you wonder what is in store 6-12 months down the line.
I wonder how many others, when they sign-on and see 250 posts on this thread like me, just skip to the last one to make sure we've not been sold and then never bother to read the previous 249 posts?
I am generally worried about a Aussie takeover but i think I'd rather take that chance than another season with the Rat. Please sort this shit out , their are thousands of Charlton fans who just want to enjoy the rest of the summer. Every saturday i follow..........
Don't want the Aussies either tbh, sounds like things wont be any different, certainly doubt our budget will be any bigger, but at least Roland will be gone I suppose, small mercies and all that!
Irs not all about budget though. Its a having a plan/strategy and not just bobbing along.
I'd rather support a well run Club I can be proud to support in League Two than a Roland run Club in the PL.
That makes no sense. If we got to the Prem with RD then that would he had invested and showed an interest. He's no Oyston ffs.
I hate Roland but this 'anyone but him' mentality could land us bang in trouble with some other chancers.
Don't want the Aussies either tbh, sounds like things wont be any different, certainly doubt our budget will be any bigger, but at least Roland will be gone I suppose, small mercies and all that!
Irs not all about budget though. Its a having a plan/strategy and not just bobbing along.
I'd rather support a well run Club I can be proud to support in League Two than a Roland run Club in the PL.
That makes no sense. If we got to the Prem with RD then that would he had invested and showed an interest. He's no Oyston ffs.
I hate Roland but this 'anyone but him' mentality could land us bang in trouble with some other chancers.
Don't want the Aussies either tbh, sounds like things wont be any different, certainly doubt our budget will be any bigger, but at least Roland will be gone I suppose, small mercies and all that!
Irs not all about budget though. Its a having a plan/strategy and not just bobbing along.
I'd rather support a well run Club I can be proud to support in League Two than a Roland run Club in the PL.
That makes no sense. If we got to the Prem with RD then that would he had invested and showed an interest. He's no Oyston ffs.
I hate Roland but this 'anyone but him' mentality could land us bang in trouble with some other chancers.
No it won't because we have got no influence at all over who Roland decides to sell to, if he ever does decide to sell.
Over 200 posts of nothing. Very glad most people posting here are not buying us though.
I have learnt that £2.5 - 7.0m is not a lot and the Aussies should just pay it on top of whatever sum they have agreed with RD.
I have learnt the Aussies are desperate for clean title and that is why they want the loans paid off - maybe they just agreed a price lock stock and barrel and actually don't care who pays off the former directors, or in fact whether they are paid off (they just then pay RD £7m less and keep them there)
i have learnt that some people dont want the Aussies as are budget is unlikely to increase and they wont be better than RD after throwing £35m at the purchase.
But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.
We are being patient. Look how patient we are being.
Thanks Russell (bugger just seen that someone got in hours before me )
I'm sticking to my theory the aussies area made up front for rd to generate competition / force bidders into a move - they have now also revealed the price required: £40m and the club's yours. Better hurry up or LB is off. Righto. I think Airman's in on it as well - £70 mil turned down, £30m turned down... we can't wait to see the back of him and rightly so but you can't say he's not choosy about who he sells to!!!
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tell em to get it done within two weeks from now and I’ve got em two tickets in the Grandstand at Lords, June 25th , I’ll buy all the beers , with me and some pissed up mates taking the piss out of the Aussies , my treat .
if they secure a decent squad and Bowyer I can do the same for The Ashes at Lords ,although I’m not about for the first few days , so that makes that more attractive .
Serious ...
if that doesn’t convince them then I give up .
Whether the ex a Directors like it or not they have a role to play but entirely up to them how they choose to negotiate as its their money.
Its also flushing out out some others who may bid it appears.
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Anyhow. After reading the last 6 pages since my recent post I'm starting to think the Aussies are taking the p**s. I am certainly not a RD appeaser & want him gone like the rest......but there is no reason why the loans need to be repaid NOW.....and asking the "7" to take 25% now & the rest later, with the undertaking of them being removed as security should make everyone wonder wtf ! What sort of deal is that ??!! Who does that benefit ??
As has been said many a time on here. If the Aussies have such a 'plan' & a budget to match, which means they arent willing to pay £2m now to settle some of the loans (I believe Airman said that some of the ex-directors are happy to settle for less) then you wonder what is in store 6-12 months down the line.
Please sort this shit out , their are thousands of Charlton fans who just want to enjoy the rest of the summer.
Every saturday i follow..........
I hate Roland but this 'anyone but him' mentality could land us bang in trouble with some other chancers.
No it won't because we have got no influence at all over who Roland decides to sell to, if he ever does decide to sell.
I have learnt that £2.5 - 7.0m is not a lot and the Aussies should just pay it on top of whatever sum they have agreed with RD.
I have learnt the Aussies are desperate for clean title and that is why they want the loans paid off - maybe they just agreed a price lock stock and barrel and actually don't care who pays off the former directors, or in fact whether they are paid off (they just then pay RD £7m less and keep them there)
i have learnt that some people dont want the Aussies as are budget is unlikely to increase and they wont be better than RD after throwing £35m at the purchase.
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