David White is an Ex director and said he has never met the owner, so unlike Richard Murray isn't in the inner loop.
Bob Whitehand is an ex PLC vice Chairman and isn't in the inner loop.
White and Whitehand can have their opinions BUT only Murray and LDT are in the inner loop and they are struggling to understand the ramblings of Duchatelet.
At least the standard story is pro active in trying to get Roland to reveal WTF or how much he wants.
There was me thinking that once Katrien Meire left we had about a year left of RD tenure.
He has. More than £30 mill.
I believe it was the seller that pushed this out there. Not the other way round.
Don't think that's the case at all.
Without knowing who 'the bidder' is, how can you possibly know it wasn't RD playing smoke and mirrors, again?
Roland “playing smoke and mirrors” - have you listened to the guy and read the nonsense he puts out? There are a lot of assumptions made about his responsibility for past stories but, including Jim White in January, they are wrong.
Roland doesn’t want to sell at £30m. If he did he’d be gone already. He has no interest in the discussion about his valuation being exposed, and he certainly doesn’t need to plant a story in the Standard to deter protests, which we are repeatedly told he doesn’t care about anyway. What protests?
The journalists at the Standard are not idiots and they are not in his pocket either. They know who their source is and on this one I trust them. Much easier for Roland to use the FF if he wants to control the message. The story will be there for a reason but it’s not Roland behind the mirror, whoever it is.
All the world’s a stage, and all the Charlton Life men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man Richard Murray, in his time plays many parts.
As You Like it
Roland Duchatelet and Richard Murray if you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
The Merchant of Venice
The web of our Charlton life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together.
All's well That Ends Well (let's bloody hope so)
Now is the winter of our discontent.
Richard III
Or, in the window of the camping smr hop having a sale, Now is the winter of our discount tents.
Or, in a marquee for dancing, with one Mr Edmonds serving the wine, Noel is the vintner of our disco tent
Jordan speculated on Talk Sport that the value was 20 to 30m, but then clarified the next day, saying he had spoken to a few people, and thought it was nearer 50m. What is your information/guess on the figure Airman? I would be interested to know, as well as your confidence in it.
David White is an Ex director and said he has never met the owner, so unlike Richard Murray isn't in the inner loop.
Bob Whitehand is an ex PLC vice Chairman and isn't in the inner loop.
White and Whitehand can have their opinions BUT only Murray and LDT are in the inner loop and they are struggling to understand the ramblings of Duchatelet.
At least the standard story is pro active in trying to get Roland to reveal WTF or how much he wants.
There was me thinking that once Katrien Meire left we had about a year left of RD tenure.
He has. More than £30 mill.
I believe it was the seller that pushed this out there. Not the other way round.
Don't think that's the case at all.
Without knowing who 'the bidder' is, how can you possibly know it wasn't RD playing smoke and mirrors, again?
Roland “playing smoke and mirrors” - have you listened to the guy and read the nonsense he puts out? There are a lot of assumptions made about his responsibility for past stories but, including Jim White in January, they are wrong.
Roland doesn’t want to sell at £30m. If he did he’d be gone already. He has no interest in the discussion about his valuation being exposed, and he certainly doesn’t need to plant a story in the Standard to deter protests, which we are repeatedly told he doesn’t care about anyway. What protests?
The journalists at the Standard are not idiots and they are not in his pocket either. They know who their source is and on this one I trust them. Much easier for Roland to use the FF if he wants to control the message. The story will be there for a reason but it’s not Roland behind the mirror, whoever it is.
On that basis I conclude that whoever is behind the bid has gone public with £30 million on the basis that they know it will be rejected but with the intent of flushing Roland out of his tower and commit to a price he does want. It’s unlikely to get us any closer to a sale but will show Duchatelet up for the mad deluded fruitlob he is.
Given that the club can only be worth what people are prepared to pay for it - it seems its value is around £30m. My instinct would be lower, but there do seem to be buyers at that price. There can only be one reason for Roland thinking it is worth so much more than he paid for it and that is real estate values have risen. But surely real estate is irrelevant in our case unless there is a way for it to be realised.
How ironic that we now find ourselves with Mr Jordan as a moral ally, whilst Mr. Murray is conspicuous by his silence. Mind you, I would like to volunteer to tie his tongue to the back of a bus and drag him to Charlton, whilst singing the shalala song all the way
As Bob says at £30m with clean title or roll over the ex directors loans and £23m and they’ll be a buyer at around that figure. I personally would go above £20m but that’s immaterial as right now I couldn’t go above £200k
The only way I can see much more than that is if a billionaire is desperate to buy Charlton. The fact ones not appeared in the last 18 months indicates there’s not one.
Wonder if she pissed in the fountains in Trafalgar Square, or swung from the crossbar at the olde Wembley. Were all part of Mary's army, we all going tae Wembley
David White is an Ex director and said he has never met the owner, so unlike Richard Murray isn't in the inner loop.
Bob Whitehand is an ex PLC vice Chairman and isn't in the inner loop.
White and Whitehand can have their opinions BUT only Murray and LDT are in the inner loop and they are struggling to understand the ramblings of Duchatelet.
At least the standard story is pro active in trying to get Roland to reveal WTF or how much he wants.
There was me thinking that once Katrien Meire left we had about a year left of RD tenure.
He has. More than £30 mill.
I believe it was the seller that pushed this out there. Not the other way round.
Don't think that's the case at all.
Without knowing who 'the bidder' is, how can you possibly know it wasn't RD playing smoke and mirrors, again?
Roland “playing smoke and mirrors” - have you listened to the guy and read the nonsense he puts out? There are a lot of assumptions made about his responsibility for past stories but, including Jim White in January, they are wrong.
Roland doesn’t want to sell at £30m. If he did he’d be gone already. He has no interest in the discussion about his valuation being exposed, and he certainly doesn’t need to plant a story in the Standard to deter protests, which we are repeatedly told he doesn’t care about anyway. What protests?
The journalists at the Standard are not idiots and they are not in his pocket either. They know who their source is and on this one I trust them. Much easier for Roland to use the FF if he wants to control the message. The story will be there for a reason but it’s not Roland behind the mirror, whoever it is.
On that basis I conclude that whoever is behind the bid has gone public with £30 million on the basis that they know it will be rejected but with the intent of flushing Roland out of his tower and commit to a price he does want. It’s unlikely to get us any closer to a sale but will show Duchatelet up for the mad deluded fruitlob he is.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
They haven't walked away Mutters. Been over this before a few times recently, but it's obvious why they haven't walked away. Not saying it might not be a bad tactic to get him to lower his price, but it might look a bit obvious, and he'd probably call their bluff.
1568 pages and counting. The only thing stopping someone buying this club is that Shitweasel is asking far to much. He really is a deluded old fool and the longer he owns us the more money he will lose. Any sane person worth the best part of a Billion would accept a bid of around 30 million and walk away and enjoy the rest of their life . There lies the problem .He ain't sane. God knows how this will end up or how much longer we have to put up with the prick. I just hope he doesn't try and screw us out of spite and that he goes soon and we can look forward to being a normal football club once again.
I got a feeling in 12 months time rat would of wished he taken 30m as another year of losses and a no investment in the squad we could be heading to league 2 with even less chance of getting what he wants.
There are so many conflicting messages at present. The reported £30millon offer in the Standard, LdT’s statement that “Roland won’t lower his price” (whatever that may be - although he would say that, wouldn’t he ?) and the David White interview, which is highly credible (albeit he is not, as he acknowledges, in the loop).
My fear is that, given the buffer of his personal wealth, Duchatelet may chose to simply sit it out, with a vague and ill-considered plan of further cost cutting and the odd player sale or sell-on fee to mitigate the annual losses. I expect him to explore the possibility of somehow exploiting the real estate, although that will presumably prove futile.
One optimistic interpretation of his rant against the EFL is that he is laying the ground for his exit and the narrative that the failure of the venture is nothing to do with him but the fault of others. Something to tell his cronies. A more prosaic - and pessimistic- interpretation is that nothing has changed and that he is (as is his wont) simply lashing out when provoked.
On the basis that we cannot allow our club to continue to shrink, all we can do is to get behind the initiatives of CARD and others to put pressure on Duchatelet to end this limbo. Protests, especially in Belgium, are clearly his soft spot.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
Let’s say they have spent £1m plus on DD, that is a lot to walk away from,especially if they think no one else is serious. They could (and I suspect have) simply said to RD ‘our top price is £x, take it or leave it’ - he has said not now and they are stuck at an impasse. He knows he has them as a fall back but is trying to find more, all the while losing money. Why? Because he is clearly mental.
1568 pages and counting. The only thing stopping someone buying this club is that Shitweasel is asking far to much. He really is a deluded old fool and the longer he owns us the more money he will lose. Any sane person worth the best part of a Billion would accept a bid of around 30 million and walk away and enjoy the rest of their life . There lies the problem .He ain't sane. God knows how this will end up or how much longer we have to put up with the prick. I just hope he doesn't try and screw us out of spite and that he goes soon and we can look forward to being a normal football club once again.
Mate, he currently is screwing us out of spite, has been for as long as I care to remember now, and will continue to do so.
1568 pages and counting. The only thing stopping someone buying this club is that Shitweasel is asking far to much. He really is a deluded old fool and the longer he owns us the more money he will lose. Any sane person worth the best part of a Billion would accept a bid of around 30 million and walk away and enjoy the rest of their life . There lies the problem .He ain't sane. God knows how this will end up or how much longer we have to put up with the prick. I just hope he doesn't try and screw us out of spite and that he goes soon and we can look forward to being a normal football club once again.
Mate, he currently is screwing us out of spite, has been for as long as I care to remember now, and will continue to do so.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
Let’s say they have spent £1m plus on DD, that is a lot to walk away from,especially if they think no one else is serious. They could (and I suspect have) simply said to RD ‘our top price is £x, take it or leave it’ - he has said not now and they are stuck at an impasse. He knows he has them as a fall back but is trying to find more, all the while losing money. Why? Because he is clearly mental.
I think they’ve spent a bit more, but otherwise that’s roughly why they’re still there. No benefit in walking away. His problem, as we’ve seen, is keeping the consortium together, while Roland messes everybody about.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
Let’s say they have spent £1m plus on DD, that is a lot to walk away from,especially if they think no one else is serious. They could (and I suspect have) simply said to RD ‘our top price is £x, take it or leave it’ - he has said not now and they are stuck at an impasse. He knows he has them as a fall back but is trying to find more, all the while losing money. Why? Because he is clearly mental.
I think they’ve spent a bit more, but otherwise that’s roughly why they’re still there. No benefit in walking away. His problem, as we’ve seen, is keeping the consortium together, while Roland messes everybody about.
Yes, I must admit I forgot about the serious amount of money they have put in. But surely there must be a point where you realise it isn't going to happen. The worry is that Roland may be using the fact they are there as a kind of insurance whilst he tries to find something better.
What is puzzling is why the Aussies haven't walked away. And if they have, why it took them so long to do so. Logic would say, they are not far from the price agreement wise but haven't got the money. If they thought Roland was asking too much, why wouldn't they walk away sooner? There is a lot about all of this that doesn't make sense. Is there presence more helpful to Roland than us? I don't know. There seems to be more questions than answers.
Let’s say they have spent £1m plus on DD, that is a lot to walk away from,especially if they think no one else is serious. They could (and I suspect have) simply said to RD ‘our top price is £x, take it or leave it’ - he has said not now and they are stuck at an impasse. He knows he has them as a fall back but is trying to find more, all the while losing money. Why? Because he is clearly mental.
I think they’ve spent a bit more, but otherwise that’s roughly why they’re still there. No benefit in walking away. His problem, as we’ve seen, is keeping the consortium together, while Roland messes everybody about.
Yes, I must admit I forgot about the serious amount of money they have put in. But surely there must be a point where you realise it isn't going to happen. The worry is that Roland may be using the fact they are there as a kind of insurance whilst he tries to find something better.
I hope that’s not the case. If the Aussies pulled out I suspect Roland would just carry on being Roland. I doubt he’d suddenly accept the £30m bid. But maybe this banker will increase his offer.
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Roland doesn’t want to sell at £30m. If he did he’d be gone already. He has no interest in the discussion about his valuation being exposed, and he certainly doesn’t need to plant a story in the Standard to deter protests, which we are repeatedly told he doesn’t care about anyway. What protests?
The journalists at the Standard are not idiots and they are not in his pocket either. They know who their source is and on this one I trust them. Much easier for Roland to use the FF if he wants to control the message. The story will be there for a reason but it’s not Roland behind the mirror, whoever it is.
On that basis I conclude that whoever is behind the bid has gone public with £30 million on the basis that they know it will be rejected but with the intent of flushing Roland out of his tower and commit to a price he does want. It’s unlikely to get us any closer to a sale but will show Duchatelet up for the mad deluded fruitlob he is.
Mind you, I would like to volunteer to tie his tongue to the back of a bus and drag him to Charlton, whilst singing the shalala song all the way
The only way I can see much more than that is if a billionaire is desperate to buy Charlton. The fact ones not appeared in the last 18 months indicates there’s not one.
Were all part of Mary's army, we all going tae Wembley
The only thing stopping someone buying this club is that Shitweasel is asking far to much.
He really is a deluded old fool and the longer he owns us the more money he will lose.
Any sane person worth the best part of a Billion would accept a bid of around 30 million and walk away and enjoy the rest of their life .
There lies the problem .He ain't sane.
God knows how this will end up or how much longer we have to put up with the prick.
I just hope he doesn't try and screw us out of spite and that he goes soon and we can look forward to being a normal football club once again.
My fear is that, given the buffer of his personal wealth, Duchatelet may chose to simply sit it out, with a vague and ill-considered plan of further cost cutting and the odd player sale or sell-on fee to mitigate the annual losses. I expect him to explore the possibility of somehow exploiting the real estate, although that will presumably prove futile.
One optimistic interpretation of his rant against the EFL is that he is laying the ground for his exit and the narrative that the failure of the venture is nothing to do with him but the fault of others. Something to tell his cronies. A more prosaic - and pessimistic- interpretation is that nothing has changed and that he is (as is his wont) simply lashing out when provoked.
On the basis that we cannot allow our club to continue to shrink, all we can do is to get behind the initiatives of CARD and others to put pressure on Duchatelet to end this limbo. Protests, especially in Belgium, are clearly his soft spot.
Yes, I must admit I forgot about the serious amount of money they have put in. But surely there must be a point where you realise it isn't going to happen. The worry is that Roland may be using the fact they are there as a kind of insurance whilst he tries to find something better.
If the Aussies pulled out I suspect Roland would just carry on being Roland. I doubt he’d suddenly accept the £30m bid. But maybe this banker will increase his offer.