The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Not at any price though or they'd be almost as silly as Roland is.PeteF said:About time the Aussies got this sorted... if they wanted the club, really wanted it, surely it would have happened by now.
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I bet most of them laughed out loud at the quote.Missed It said:
I've said it before but what Roland wants is not selling the club per se, his main aim is to get his money back. This is the reason he 'loaned' the money to the club in the first place. The only method left for him to achieve this is by selling the club, as he will never achieve football success and the youth academy cupboard is now bare.JessieAddick said:The Chinese businessman that visited our club last year just commented on my Weibo post about our difficult situation saying that the asking price was 40m (meaning too high). Even an outsider knows why the sale still can't be completed after such a long time - Is it really all that complicated? Over a thousand pages of discussions about what? If RD really desperately wants to sell he'd lower the price to an acceptable level and there certainly will be buyers who are willing and able to buy. Even if Murray is causing difficulties, an attractive price would compensate. No club is impossible to sell.
Sunderland had complicated finances as well but their American owner wiped all of the debts so that the deal could go through smoothly. That's the difference between a bad owner and a much worse owner. RD will never do the same thing.
If he wanted to sell, the club would be priced to sell and a chunk of the debt written off. £40m for Charlton in its current state is a ridiculous valuation and Roland is extremely fortunate that the Australian consortium is prepared to consider pay that much. Too many other interested parties have walked away when they find out the asking price.1 -
So farStu_of_Kunming said:
I just find that too hard to believe, I think they always planned to drop the price at the last minute and did not expect the reaction they got from RD, it was a dangerous game that they lost, sadly, so did we.1905 said:
2 months ago when the Aussies were scarfed up in the Directors box they clearly had the money within the consortium and 1905 was happy that he would renew and would potentially have a decent season to look forward to.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That can't be right, we were told they definitely had the funds, despite several well-placed people saying it wasn't true.Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Someone was being spun a line and fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Another depressing season starts tomorrow, what a time to be alive.0 -
Depressing.0
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Sounds like it’s time for the possibly imaginary second consortium to step up...2
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How did you know that?Covered End said:
Which we already knew.JamesSeed said:Red7Oak said:
Apologies I didnt know you personally knew GM I thought your insight / opinion came from one of the lackey's who worked for him. Not withstanding that, in my opinion, and bar telling people snippets of what they want to hear, SomeoSomeone would have to know someone extremely well to share detailed information about their business plans especially parts that they might not want out in the public domain!JamesSeed said:
?flyingkiwiDK said:Aussies deal has collapsed.
The difference here being that no one knew them personally did they? (As far as I know).Red7Oak said:
I think anyone has the potential to give us 'proper' ownership but let's face initially it at the time of takeover we thought the same about RD and the spivs!JamesSeed said:
Fair play if you turned out to be right all along. As I’ve said I’ve only had very little info since the beer meeting, and none of that was financial.nth london addick said:
seems to be what the SLP are indicating @JamesSeed i think theres been so much dragging of heels that people interested have said i am offJamesSeed said:
Ah, so this is the famous ‘waving of the willy’ that I’ve heard so much about ;-)nth london addick said:
Ahem “Aussies ain’t got the money”Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Drops mic and walks away could’ve closed the thread in October
Of course we still don’t know definitively what’s going on, but I guess we’ll hear soon.
If they’ve failed it’s a damned shame, because I think they had the potential to give us ‘proper’ ownership for the first time in years.
I wouldn’t have said those things if I didn’t know GM, who I know for a fact isn’t/wasn’t trying to make a land grab, at least.
They didn’t share any details about their business plans, other than that it was a five year plan.1 -
Think we’re just all running scared now redRedChaser said:1 -
PeteF said:
About time the Aussies got this sorted... if they wanted the club, really wanted it, surely it would have happened by now.
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@JamesSeed...Why do you think the delay is to do with transfer window being open..?joeaddick said:
In what way...Surely part of their "five year plan" would be to use the transfer window to their advantage..?JamesSeed said:razil said:Personally, think there is every reason to protest at the first home game assuming no sale by then - don't believe a boycott is the right protest though. I'm not on the TB or CARD however.
PS I will be boycotting that game from Crete..
Hard to say. When rumours appeared on CL about this in the past they were always incorrect, but this feels different somehow.Scoham said:
And do you think it’s fallen through @JamesSeed?JamesSeed said:
They didn’t share any details about their business plans, other than that it was a five year plan.Red7Oak said:
Apologies I didnt know you personally knew GM I thought your insight / opinion came from one of the lackey's who worked for him. Not withstanding that, in my opinion, and bar telling people snippets of what they want to hear, SomeoSomeone would have to know someone extremely well to share detailed information about their business plans especially parts that they might not want out in the public domain!JamesSeed said:
?flyingkiwiDK said:Aussies deal has collapsed.
The difference here being that no one knew them personally did they? (As far as I know).Red7Oak said:
I think anyone has the potential to give us 'proper' ownership but let's face initially it at the time of takeover we thought the same about RD and the spivs!JamesSeed said:
Fair play if you turned out to be right all along. As I’ve said I’ve only had very little info since the beer meeting, and none of that was financial.nth london addick said:
seems to be what the SLP are indicating @JamesSeed i think theres been so much dragging of heels that people interested have said i am offJamesSeed said:
Ah, so this is the famous ‘waving of the willy’ that I’ve heard so much about ;-)nth london addick said:
Ahem “Aussies ain’t got the money”Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Drops mic and walks away could’ve closed the thread in October
Of course we still don’t know definitively what’s going on, but I guess we’ll hear soon.
If they’ve failed it’s a damned shame, because I think they had the potential to give us ‘proper’ ownership for the first time in years.
I wouldn’t have said those things if I didn’t know GM, who I know for a fact isn’t/wasn’t trying to make a land grab, at least.
But I texted earlier, and if it was definitely off I think I would have heard by now, but who knows.
I have a theory that this delay is linked to the transfer window being open, but could well be wrong.
The Aussies have been around for months...Many thought it would be done by the last transfer window.
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I can't remember it was said so long ago.JamesSeed said:
How did you know that?Covered End said:
Which we already knew.JamesSeed said:Red7Oak said:
Apologies I didnt know you personally knew GM I thought your insight / opinion came from one of the lackey's who worked for him. Not withstanding that, in my opinion, and bar telling people snippets of what they want to hear, SomeoSomeone would have to know someone extremely well to share detailed information about their business plans especially parts that they might not want out in the public domain!JamesSeed said:
?flyingkiwiDK said:Aussies deal has collapsed.
The difference here being that no one knew them personally did they? (As far as I know).Red7Oak said:
I think anyone has the potential to give us 'proper' ownership but let's face initially it at the time of takeover we thought the same about RD and the spivs!JamesSeed said:
Fair play if you turned out to be right all along. As I’ve said I’ve only had very little info since the beer meeting, and none of that was financial.nth london addick said:
seems to be what the SLP are indicating @JamesSeed i think theres been so much dragging of heels that people interested have said i am offJamesSeed said:
Ah, so this is the famous ‘waving of the willy’ that I’ve heard so much about ;-)nth london addick said:
Ahem “Aussies ain’t got the money”Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Drops mic and walks away could’ve closed the thread in October
Of course we still don’t know definitively what’s going on, but I guess we’ll hear soon.
If they’ve failed it’s a damned shame, because I think they had the potential to give us ‘proper’ ownership for the first time in years.
I wouldn’t have said those things if I didn’t know GM, who I know for a fact isn’t/wasn’t trying to make a land grab, at least.
They didn’t share any details about their business plans, other than that it was a five year plan.
The 5 year plan was to get the under performing club into The Premier League and then sell up.0 -
Wasn't it in their prospectus or am I dreaming that?Covered End said:
I can't remember it was said so long ago.JamesSeed said:
How did you know that?Covered End said:
Which we already knew.JamesSeed said:Red7Oak said:
Apologies I didnt know you personally knew GM I thought your insight / opinion came from one of the lackey's who worked for him. Not withstanding that, in my opinion, and bar telling people snippets of what they want to hear, SomeoSomeone would have to know someone extremely well to share detailed information about their business plans especially parts that they might not want out in the public domain!JamesSeed said:
?flyingkiwiDK said:Aussies deal has collapsed.
The difference here being that no one knew them personally did they? (As far as I know).Red7Oak said:
I think anyone has the potential to give us 'proper' ownership but let's face initially it at the time of takeover we thought the same about RD and the spivs!JamesSeed said:
Fair play if you turned out to be right all along. As I’ve said I’ve only had very little info since the beer meeting, and none of that was financial.nth london addick said:
seems to be what the SLP are indicating @JamesSeed i think theres been so much dragging of heels that people interested have said i am offJamesSeed said:
Ah, so this is the famous ‘waving of the willy’ that I’ve heard so much about ;-)nth london addick said:
Ahem “Aussies ain’t got the money”Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Drops mic and walks away could’ve closed the thread in October
Of course we still don’t know definitively what’s going on, but I guess we’ll hear soon.
If they’ve failed it’s a damned shame, because I think they had the potential to give us ‘proper’ ownership for the first time in years.
I wouldn’t have said those things if I didn’t know GM, who I know for a fact isn’t/wasn’t trying to make a land grab, at least.
They didn’t share any details about their business plans, other than that it was a five year plan.
The 5 year plan was to get the under performing club into The Premier League and then sell up.0 -
I think there's another infinity loop at play on this thread. It goes like this:
1. Takeover doesn't go ahead
2. Someone posits some speculation as to why it might not have gone through yet
3. That person is asked to explain why they think that, what they've heard, what else do they know, why aren't they sharing more information, why they believe what they've been told, whether they're being sold a lie, why they are so credulous, why won't they give more information, what are they hiding, etc...
4. The person is unable to
answer one or more of their interlocutors' questions in what is regarded as sufficient detail.
5. Everything they post subsequently is criticised or ignored.
6. The takeover doesn't go ahead.1 -
This how it feels.Covered End said:
I can't remember it was said so long ago.JamesSeed said:
How did you know that?Covered End said:
Which we already knew.JamesSeed said:Red7Oak said:
Apologies I didnt know you personally knew GM I thought your insight / opinion came from one of the lackey's who worked for him. Not withstanding that, in my opinion, and bar telling people snippets of what they want to hear, SomeoSomeone would have to know someone extremely well to share detailed information about their business plans especially parts that they might not want out in the public domain!JamesSeed said:
?flyingkiwiDK said:Aussies deal has collapsed.
The difference here being that no one knew them personally did they? (As far as I know).Red7Oak said:
I think anyone has the potential to give us 'proper' ownership but let's face initially it at the time of takeover we thought the same about RD and the spivs!JamesSeed said:
Fair play if you turned out to be right all along. As I’ve said I’ve only had very little info since the beer meeting, and none of that was financial.nth london addick said:
seems to be what the SLP are indicating @JamesSeed i think theres been so much dragging of heels that people interested have said i am offJamesSeed said:
Ah, so this is the famous ‘waving of the willy’ that I’ve heard so much about ;-)nth london addick said:
Ahem “Aussies ain’t got the money”Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Drops mic and walks away could’ve closed the thread in October
Of course we still don’t know definitively what’s going on, but I guess we’ll hear soon.
If they’ve failed it’s a damned shame, because I think they had the potential to give us ‘proper’ ownership for the first time in years.
I wouldn’t have said those things if I didn’t know GM, who I know for a fact isn’t/wasn’t trying to make a land grab, at least.
They didn’t share any details about their business plans, other than that it was a five year plan.
The 5 year plan was to get the under performing club .0 -
https://www.lovesportradio.com/on-air/the-charlton-fans-show/
Listen to todays "The Charlton Fans Show" on Love Sport Radio. John Salako said he spoke to someone recently about a business plan being put together to move from The Valley to a brand new stadium in the local area.
If true the question is who's putting that together? And is it an attempt to try to attract potential new owners?0 -
But we also know that the Aussies raised their bid and made the Saudi one walk away so it’s not just a case of wrong one is it reallyChizz said:It's looking more and more like Roland, having been given a choice of a number of consortia from whom to choose, each submitting an acceptable bid, has chosen the wrong one. Assuming his spokespeople have been telling the truth when they claimed that there were a number of acceptable bids.
So it's either a case of him lying to the fans (again) or making a terrible, costly decision (again).1 -
My issue with the Aussie consortium is that they clearly agreed a ball park price that Roland was happy with, one which was enough to make them his preferred buyers.
The selling price is up to the buyers and sellers, BUT if all the potential buyers had rejected the £40m, then he would have had to reduce it. 6 months ago. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, they are partly to blame for this fiasco.0 -
Further on Salako says they have "ridiculous amounts of money" and it would be a 40-50,000 capacity stadium 2 miles up the road. Says it's still in the offering when asked he was told this recently. They had apparently looked at clubs like West Ham.Scoham said:https://www.lovesportradio.com/on-air/the-charlton-fans-show/
Listen to todays "The Charlton Fans Show" on Love Sport Radio. John Salako said he spoke to someone recently about a business plan being put together to move from The Valley to a brand new stadium in the local area.
If true the question is who's putting that together? And is it an attempt to try to attract potential new owners?0 -
Utter bollocks. This would need a profit between Peninsula and Valley. Apart from the steep side issues and overlooked by flats, access only via Charlton Lane wouldn't get through planning. A new road under the railway would have to be built. Oh and it has been tried before. Ask Back to the Valley Party activists.Scoham said:https://www.lovesportradio.com/on-air/the-charlton-fans-show/
Listen to todays "The Charlton Fans Show" on Love Sport Radio. John Salako said he spoke to someone recently about a business plan being put together to move from The Valley to a brand new stadium in the local area.
If true the question is who's putting that together? And is it an attempt to try to attract potential new owners?1 -
Aren’t we still in the “difficult 2 weeks” before it will all hopefully be good news?
My conspiracy theory on this is that Roland is waiting for Lookman to be sold, he can use that money to help pay the directors loans and will then be able to sell with clear title. The difficult 2 weeks is because the Aussies want it done now so they can use the window but Roland dragging his feet. My guess therefore is that the sale is completed within 5 days of Lookman being sold or transfer window closing.
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It's for precisely that reason that I've not told anyone the information I know about who's buying, when the deal is going to be made and just how exciting it is. Sorry folks, I can't take the risk of being shunned so you're all gonna have to wait.Chizz said:I think there's another infinity loop at play on this thread. It goes like this:
1. Takeover doesn't go ahead
2. Someone posits some speculation as to why it might not have gone through yet
3. That person is asked to explain why they think that, what they've heard, what else do they know, why aren't they sharing more information, why they believe what they've been told, whether they're being sold a lie, why they are so credulous, why won't they give more information, what are they hiding, etc...
4. The person is unable to
answer one or more of their interlocutors' questions in what is regarded as sufficient detail.
5. Everything they post subsequently is criticised or ignored.
6. The takeover doesn't go ahead.3 -
If Lookman moves to Germany he has until the end of August for the transfer to be completed.Chrispy51 said:Aren’t we still in the “difficult 2 weeks” before it will all hopefully be good news?
My conspiracy theory on this is that Roland is waiting for Lookman to be sold, he can use that money to help pay the directors loans and will then be able to sell with clear title. The difficult 2 weeks is because the Aussies want it done now so they can use the window but Roland dragging his feet. My guess therefore is that the sale is completed within 5 days of Lookman being sold or transfer window closing.2 -
Maybe true but how likely is this?Chrispy51 said:Aren’t we still in the “difficult 2 weeks” before it will all hopefully be good news?
My conspiracy theory on this is that Roland is waiting for Lookman to be sold, he can use that money to help pay the directors loans and will then be able to sell with clear title. The difficult 2 weeks is because the Aussies want it done now so they can use the window but Roland dragging his feet. My guess therefore is that the sale is completed within 5 days of Lookman being sold or transfer window closing.
Roland doesn’t even follow football so how would he know about potential transfers?1 -
Interesting how Keith Harris's name has popped up again today, considering he works for Everton, who incidentally are in the process of selling lookman, who would net Charlton (who am I kidding, I mean Roland) a last payday.
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Yeah but there'd be a £1.50 fee to print it at home.Ferryman said:
These days we could get an electronic Ronnie Moore certificate and help save the planet at the same time.1905 said:
2 months ago when the Aussies were scarfed up in the Directors box they clearly had the money within the consortium and 1905 was happy that he would renew and would potentially have a decent season to look forward to.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That can't be right, we were told they definitely had the funds, despite several well-placed people saying it wasn't true.Scoham said:Click on it to read it. Basically says Keith Harris has been trying to find new investors so the takeover can go through, and that it’s unclear if that’s happened. If it hasn’t happened it says it’s in danger of collapsing.
Someone was being spun a line and fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Another depressing season starts tomorrow, what a time to be alive.
Then the "Charlton affect" steamed in and here we are. Maybe Mark Hulyer can organise another rubber shipment to fill the financial gap? Maybe Zabeel will dust off their old DD? Maybe Sunley will build us a new stand? Maybe the lovely Glikstein family will find some old mouldies down the sofa and give us more depression. Maybe we can throw money in a bucket and buy another striker? Maybe we could play on Friday nights to bolster the crowd and use the carpark for a market on Saturday? Maybe we can share with those c***s again to keep the club alive?
In short, apart from the recent premiership years, common sense or luck never touches this club. It takes something different to be a Charlton fan. But one day it must change, but its the hope ..............9 -
It's not looking, just at the moment, like the "right" choice though, is it really?. Not until or unless it goes through and the Aussies are the owners.nth london addick said:
But we also know that the Aussies raised their bid and made the Saudi one walk away so it’s not just a case of wrong one is it reallyChizz said:It's looking more and more like Roland, having been given a choice of a number of consortia from whom to choose, each submitting an acceptable bid, has chosen the wrong one. Assuming his spokespeople have been telling the truth when they claimed that there were a number of acceptable bids.
So it's either a case of him lying to the fans (again) or making a terrible, costly decision (again).
I don't know whether it's true that the Aussies raised their bid and made the Saudi consortium (if there was one) walk away. But if the Saudi consortium agreed a figure with Roland for Charlton and that didn't go through, it's yet another question that needs to be put to him, ie "if you agreed to sell it to a Saudi consortium for an agreed fee, why didn't it go through? Is it because you were playing one buyer off against another or that they simply didn't trust you?"
Until then, it appears that Roland made the wrong choice. As he's done with almost every decision regarding Charlton for more than four years. Starting with the decision to buy the wrong club.
There's only one person to blame for the fact that Roland Duchatalet still owns Charlton.6 -
Roland Duchatelet is to blame for our plight
When it’s confirmed it’s all off then the Aussies will be accountable for assisting in the death toll
They cost us the Saudi bid that would’ve been extremely beneficial
RD was never going to accept a bid that was less money just because it would be good for cafc
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Again, if there was a bid that he had agreed, then he needs to be called out as to why it didn't complete. If he chose a "better" bid, and, in doing so, lost the sale, it's entirely his fault. He's responsible. He's accountable.nth london addick said:Roland Duchatelet is to blame for our plight
When it’s confirmed it’s all off then the Aussies will be accountable for assisting in the death toll
They cost us the Saudi bid that would’ve been extremely beneficial
RD was never going to accept a bid that was less money just because it would be good for cafc
He bought the wrong club. He's failed in everything he's tried to do since then. Including - so far - selling it.15 -
So no blame any where else
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