...No takeover in the next 10 days & 2018/19 will be over before it starts.
I think it's already over. Even if the Aussies have done their homework and identified their targets, and even if they've been really proactive, spoken to them about their plans this sale (if it happens) is coming too late. The best players will have already been snapped up or at least wooed, by competitors who are more ready than us. I usually consider myself to be an optimistic person, but I can't help but think this season is going to be a disaster. I think CARD's call to boycott is the biggest favour they could possibly do for Charlton fans. Anyone who is undecided should listen to them. It'll save a lot of pain.
That reminds me...
Must ask my GP to double my prescription of Happy Pills.
Was that your rain dance last night Fanny causing the cricket to be postponed ? I needed some happy pills after that .:(
My guess is both potential buyers are letting Roland sweat,having offered and agreed a price that is net of charges being removed by Roland. He has been unwilling to pay the price for those charges, so stalemate. But it is screwing up our squad/transfer dealings you would say , I don't think either buyer cares as they have long term plans. They are not going to pay for his mistakes and willing to let him lose £1mn a month until he has had enough. Not great for supporters but Roland has no other options and they know it. Just a theory.
exactly how i see it
and if you look back through my posts on this right at the very begining,
Roland is Rich enough and ignorant enough to not care about losing money and that is dangerous
losing money doesnt hurt him in the way we think he does, He funds the losses by selling players, and cutting costs and although i dont doubt at all its stinging him
nothing is stinging him like the embarressment of the humiliation that the protrests made IMO
he will make us suffer of that i do not doubt, Leige are a big deal in Belgium (how he removed himself there although you could say he stripped it before leaving) has no bearing on how he treats us we are just a toy that he has grown bored with and that cut his hand badly and as such we are heading for the dump
The Aussie or British interest dont really care about the fan base this is an investment buy it cheap sell it when its high thats the plan if we drop to lge 2 would they really care
Looking to sell at a profit requires an upturn in fortunes by some margin. A relegation to league two means that losses sustained in the process of that upturn go on for longer so I would say yes a relegation would be something they care about.
I disagree The aussies or this alleged British consortium couldve solved this ages ago , The issue of who it should be that sorted it has long passed
If they are all ascash rich as they would like us to beleive by pushing Muir to the front with his scarf i dont doubt we would be in new ownership
it stinks tbh something is not right
we know two shit chalets isnt right he has not surprised me in anything he has done throughout the negotiations from his price to his stubborness
the Aussies and Brit interest are showing its not about the club and fans it is solely an investment and that should worry everyone
My guess is both potential buyers are letting Roland sweat,having offered and agreed a price that is net of charges being removed by Roland. He has been unwilling to pay the price for those charges, so stalemate. But it is screwing up our squad/transfer dealings you would say , I don't think either buyer cares as they have long term plans. They are not going to pay for his mistakes and willing to let him lose £1mn a month until he has had enough. Not great for supporters but Roland has no other options and they know it. Just a theory.
exactly how i see it
and if you look back through my posts on this right at the very begining,
Roland is Rich enough and ignorant enough to not care about losing money and that is dangerous
losing money doesnt hurt him in the way we think he does, He funds the losses by selling players, and cutting costs and although i dont doubt at all its stinging him
nothing is stinging him like the embarressment of the humiliation that the protrests made IMO
he will make us suffer of that i do not doubt, Leige are a big deal in Belgium (how he removed himself there although you could say he stripped it before leaving) has no bearing on how he treats us we are just a toy that he has grown bored with and that cut his hand badly and as such we are heading for the dump
The Aussie or British interest dont really care about the fan base this is an investment buy it cheap sell it when its high thats the plan if we drop to lge 2 would they really care
Looking to sell at a profit requires an upturn in fortunes by some margin. A relegation to league two means that losses sustained in the process of that upturn go on for longer so I would say yes a relegation would be something they care about.
I disagree The aussies or this alleged British consortium couldve solved this ages ago , The issue of who it should be that sorted it has long passed
If they are all ascash rich as they would like us to beleive by pushing Muir to the front with his scarf i dont doubt we would be in new ownership
it stinks tbh something is not right
we know two shit chalets isnt right he has not surprised me in anything he has done throughout the negotiations from his price to his stubborness
the Aussies and Brit interest are showing its not about the club and fans it is solely an investment and that should worry everyone
Agree, this is about money. These are not Charlton Supporters(unless Murray is involved in one or both bids) thus prepared to pick off Roland at his lowest point,whenever that may be. Roland has painted himself in a corner and stubborn as he is ,will not admit defeat or back down on his over inflated valuation, which is somewhere in the £35 to £40mn area. The Scots left after one week when they saw how crazy his valuation was and the Saudis probably did the same. Why is Murray putting up with this and remaining a Director? He could end up losing his Limited Liability if it all goes pear shaped, if he left it would leave Roland totally exposed.
If the deal is not done by the time the transfer window closes the potential buyers would be justified in dropping the valuation, due to the likelihood of relegation, rather than the possibility of promotion.
Par for the course really when you have groups and individuals owning the club with no emotional attachment... Like the spivs, like Duchatelet, like the Aussies........ When push comes to shove and you wipe away all of the ' this is a great club with a great tradition' bollocks They really couldn't give two flying shits about the club let alone the supporters. "Take your medicine" as Butch Harmon would say.
Oh we all hark back to the days when a local timber merchant could pop out and buy his local club with the profit from a couple of years trading. That doesn’t happen any more. Get real.
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
#jimmyseed has your email inbox pinged yet with an Aussie update? I think everyone’s getting quite fraught about our club and the oncoming season and it would be quite uplifting to hear a tad of positivity from the Aussie camp.
In not speculating mate I'm saying MY club is dying and that is a FACT ------ I have no idea who any of the buyers are or if they ACTUALLY exist at all ,only what I have read on here. Your putting your faith in what you have been told directly and you believe that to be kosher ,we all hope it's kosher as well.
To be honest I'll still plot up to have a beer with mates no matter what shit league we are in ,assuming we exist.However if we don't hear anything after the Norwich game (that's at the end of that game) which is the latest bollox deadline then I suggest that's this thread can DO ONE and all those "in the know" keep it zipped and we just get on with following a RD owned CAFC until Bob Hope comes riding over Shootershill to save us--- seems more likely.
As was always pointed out on here to me it’s easier for me say it’s not happening than it is for those saying it is however there have been dates mentioned by you and others around when it’s going to be a good week or it’s going to be done
I said the deadline for decisions was weeks ago and I have kept my powder dry since but those days are passed long time who is to blame ultimately is RD
The directors should be paid up in full or the status quo should be allowed to follow on
If the Aussies were that keen on getting this done and for the reasons that they put our club is and our fans are special all words used by the Aussies
If we were important and if we were the main reason then they would not leave us like this in the position we are in going in to the season
That is all fact and it’s all that people like GH and others are suggesting
We are either important enough to just get this done or it’s just about investment irrespective of the fans and this season because very soon this season is over
As was always pointed out on here to me it’s easier for me say it’s not happening than it is for those saying it is however there have been dates mentioned by you and others around when it’s going to be a good week or it’s going to be done
I said the deadline for decisions was weeks ago and I have kept my powder dry since but those days are passed long time who is to blame ultimately is RD
The directors should be paid up in full or the status quo should be allowed to follow on
If the Aussies were that keen on getting this done and for the reasons that they put our club is and our fans are special all words used by the Aussies
If we were important and if we were the main reason then they would not leave us like this in the position we are in going in to the season
That is all fact and it’s all that people like GH and others are suggesting
We are either important enough to just get this done or it’s just about investment irrespective of the fans and this season because very soon this season is over
Spot on, the season is almost a write off and it's not even bloody August.
At best we get ridiculously lucky with injuries (I know, not going to happen it's already starting to mount) and come January we are no more than 10 points outside the play offs and new owners splash the cash. That's not ideal anyway and already it's looking like we are going to have to wait another 10 months or so to get excited about Charlton Athletic again.
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
I doubt the belgian will lower the price, he'll just sit tight until someone gives him what he wants. We're fucked.
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
I doubt the belgian will lower the price, he'll just sit tight until someone gives him what he wants. We're fucked.
So if that is Duchâtelet's entrenched position, do we resign ourselves to being "fucked", or do we do whatever we can to piss him off until he'll be glad to see the back of us?
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
I doubt the belgian will lower the price, he'll just sit tight until someone gives him what he wants. We're fucked.
Weren't we told months ago that the price had been agree though?
David Smith please stop peddling this shit. There have been statements from both sides that the price has been agreed. If there is a 2nd bidder as RD alleges, they would have spent a lot money on DD so why are they silent and not out-bidding? From someone close to the club I'd expect some more informed posts.
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
I doubt the belgian will lower the price, he'll just sit tight until someone gives him what he wants. We're fucked.
Weren't we told months ago that the price had been agree though?
I think it was. Multiple sources back that up. However some ITK posters have said that the price was agreed but the DD revealed the £7m hold over the assets that the previous directors hold and that RD didn't know about. Therefore the agreed price of (say) £35m that RD agreed effectively went up to £42m. I suspect the Aussies expected clean title to the club. We've heard RD made a derisory offer to the former directors to pay them off. Think there is now a wait until they resolve who swallows the £7m that was unaccounted for.
As was always pointed out on here to me it’s easier for me say it’s not happening than it is for those saying it is however there have been dates mentioned by you and others around when it’s going to be a good week or it’s going to be done
I said the deadline for decisions was weeks ago and I have kept my powder dry since but those days are passed long time who is to blame ultimately is RD
The directors should be paid up in full or the status quo should be allowed to follow on
If the Aussies were that keen on getting this done and for the reasons that they put our club is and our fans are special all words used by the Aussies If we were important and if we were the main reason then they would not leave us like this in the position we are in going in to the season
That is all fact and it’s all that people like GH and others are suggesting
We are either important enough to just get this done or it’s just about investment irrespective of the fans and this season because very soon this season is over
Effectively you're saying that they have the option of paying off the directors' loans, and getting the deal done sooner than will be the case if RD settles up?
Which is a fair argument, if it's the loans that are holding this up, rather than the mystery missing documents.
Unfortunately I don't know which of the two is holding things up, or whether it's something else.
David Smith please stop peddling this shit. There have been statements from both sides that the price has been agreed. If there is a 2nd bidder as RD alleges, they would have spent a lot money on DD so why are they silent and not out-bidding? From someone close to the club I'd expect some more informed posts.
unless i am not reading davids post correctly he hasnt said the fee hasnt been agreed , i think the suggestion DS is making is to why it may not have been concluded
Blimey, someone went to the trouble of trawling through all my tweets to find this.
And yes, I was wrong, and was only responding to a bunch of info that was sent to me over the space of a couple of days from a variety of sources. Not from the Aussies.
I won't make that mistake again (he says hoping he hasn't done the same thing since then).
Both sides are taking the f@cking piss and can both do one
Top idea. Let’s stick with Roland then.
Let's say I've got it wrong then and the Aussies are offering half the 7 million surely there comes a point when the Aussies walk away. As I see the situation if Roland sells to the Aussies halfway through September I will be very surprised if we were to be in the mix come January, meaning the the Aussies have funded us for a season for nothing.
so there you have it peeps-----RD dont fecking care as its always been a soco/experiment/toy for his ego----and the "buyers" dont really care as they drive the price down and sell at sometime whenever for a profit.
and the lights go out and burger boy still has a job
I doubt the belgian will lower the price, he'll just sit tight until someone gives him what he wants. We're fucked.
Weren't we told months ago that the price had been agree though?
I think it was. Multiple sources back that up. However some ITK posters have said that the price was agreed but the DD revealed the £7m hold over the assets that the previous directors hold and that RD didn't know about. Therefore the agreed price of (say) £35m that RD agreed effectively went up to £42m. I suspect the Aussies expected clean title to the club. We've heard RD made a derisory offer to the former directors to pay them off. Think there is now a wait until they resolve who swallows the £7m that was unaccounted for.
That seems to be the story, but I find it really hard to believe that the directors issue wasn't known about when the original price was agreed. I assume that by that time a fair amount of due diligence would already have been done anyway
Blimey, someone went to the trouble of trawling through all my tweets to find this.
And yes, I was wrong, and was only responding to a bunch of info that was sent to me over the space of a couple of days from a variety of sources. Not from the Aussies.
I won't make that mistake again (he says hoping he hasn't done the same thing since then).
James, you're an optimist and as long as it's clear that the comments are your hopes, and not what the Aussies have passed on, then I can't see a problem with you being positive. Need to keep a flame going even in the darkest days.
Both sides are taking the f@cking piss and can both do one
Top idea. Let’s stick with Roland then.
Let's say I've got it wrong then and the Aussies are offering half the 7 million surely there comes a point when the Aussies walk away. As I see the situation if Roland sells to the Aussies halfway through September I will be very surprised if we were to be in the mix come January, meaning the the Aussies have funded us for a season for nothing.
would be nice if those buying us maybe approached those owed and asked what they may want instead of waiting for some old bstd who gives no shits about anything to do it
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I needed some happy pills after that .:(
If they are all ascash rich as they would like us to beleive by pushing Muir to the front with his scarf i dont doubt we would be in new ownership
it stinks tbh something is not right
we know two shit chalets isnt right he has not surprised me in anything he has done throughout the negotiations from his price to his stubborness
the Aussies and Brit interest are showing its not about the club and fans it is solely an investment and that should worry everyone
These are not Charlton Supporters(unless Murray is involved in one or both bids) thus prepared to pick off Roland at his lowest point,whenever that may be.
Roland has painted himself in a corner and stubborn as he is ,will not admit defeat or back down on his over inflated valuation, which is somewhere in the £35 to £40mn area.
The Scots left after one week when they saw how crazy his valuation was and the Saudis probably did the same.
Why is Murray putting up with this and remaining a Director? He could end up losing his Limited Liability if it all goes pear shaped, if he left it would leave Roland totally exposed.
That doesn’t happen any more. Get real.
To be honest I'll still plot up to have a beer with mates no matter what shit league we are in ,assuming we exist.However if we don't hear anything after the Norwich game (that's at the end of that game) which is the latest bollox deadline then I suggest that's this thread can DO ONE and all those "in the know" keep it zipped and we just get on with following a RD owned CAFC until Bob Hope comes riding over Shootershill to save us--- seems more likely.
As was always pointed out on here to me it’s easier for me say it’s not happening than it is for those saying it is however there have been dates mentioned by you and others around when it’s going to be a good week or it’s going to be done
I said the deadline for decisions was weeks ago and I have kept my powder dry since but those days are passed long time who is to blame ultimately is RD
The directors should be paid up in full or the status quo should be allowed to follow on
If the Aussies were that keen on getting this done and for the reasons that they put our club is and our fans are special all words used by the Aussies
If we were important and if we were the main reason then they would not leave us like this in the position we are in going in to the season
That is all fact and it’s all that people like GH and others are suggesting
We are either important enough to just get this done or it’s just about investment irrespective of the fans and this season because very soon this season is over
At best we get ridiculously lucky with injuries (I know, not going to happen it's already starting to mount) and come January we are no more than 10 points outside the play offs and new owners splash the cash. That's not ideal anyway and already it's looking like we are going to have to wait another 10 months or so to get excited about Charlton Athletic again.
Sint-Truiden is only 2.5 hours from Calais.
Which is a fair argument, if it's the loans that are holding this up, rather than the mystery missing documents.
Unfortunately I don't know which of the two is holding things up, or whether it's something else.
Its all bullshit and in the end is exploiting the good nature of charlton fans
from all sides now
And yes, I was wrong, and was only responding to a bunch of info that was sent to me over the space of a couple of days from a variety of sources. Not from the Aussies.
I won't make that mistake again (he says hoping he hasn't done the same thing since then).
As I see the situation if Roland sells to the Aussies halfway through September I will be very surprised if we were to be in the mix come January, meaning the the Aussies have funded us for a season for nothing.