Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Mate if you are happy with the shit constantly served up by the regime great, some of us just set our goals a little higher.
Set your goals higher? You support Charlton. It's in the clubs DNA to let you down, it's part and parcel of being a football fan, if you want to set yourself higher standards and not follow your team perhaps Charlton isn't the club for you.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
When RD came in we finished 9th in the Championship, with a good solid squad of players playing in front of crowds of 16k+
Now, where are we now?
That is the argument, and the blame lays solely at the feet of RD & the SMT
Never turn your back on the team. If CARD sent out messsge tomorrow to all go to the Peterborough game would you all go? In terms of the attendances of course they are going to be higher as the away following are bigger as well as some of the games are more attractive to the floating fan.
No one has turned there back on the team and you know that
Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
When RD came in we finished 9th in the Championship, with a good solid squad of players playing in front of crowds of 16k+
Now, where are we now?
That is the argument, and the blame lays solely at the feet of RD & the SMT
Never turn your back on the team. If CARD sent out messsge tomorrow to all go to the Peterborough game would you all go? In terms of the attendances of course they are going to be higher as the away following are bigger as well as some of the games are more attractive to the floating fan.
No one has turned there back on the team and you know that
Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
4,000 didn't renew as CARD stated not to renew and put financial pressure on the owner. Factor in the travelling support or 2,000 to 3,000 and then 3,000 floating fans then you pretty much have your 16,000.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
When RD came in we finished 9th in the Championship, with a good solid squad of players playing in front of crowds of 16k+
Now, where are we now?
That is the argument, and the blame lays solely at the feet of RD & the SMT
Never turn your back on the team. If CARD sent out messsge tomorrow to all go to the Peterborough game would you all go? In terms of the attendances of course they are going to be higher as the away following are bigger as well as some of the games are more attractive to the floating fan.
No one has turned there back on the team and you know that
Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
4,000 didn't renew as CARD stated not to renew and put financial pressure on the owner. Factor in the travelling support or 2,000 to 3,000 and then 3,000 floating fans then you pretty much have your 16,000.
So the 4000 missing season ticket holders don't count? (Just look how many home fans are now turning up)
Attendances are down, not only because of a lower division, but because of the SMT's actions (Just look at average attendances during the clubs last stay in League 1 for comparisons)
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You best stay at home then.
I will be there as always supporting the team.
What a shame you'll be there supporting the team but not caring about the future of the club.It is not a problem supporting the team whether you're wearing black and white or not. People like yourself seem to have an issue with other fans wearing something that shows they do not back the regime. I don't really see what your problem is with how other fans show their discontent with the owner, you're derogatory comments are made more to seek a reaction.
What a muggy comment. I have been going week in week out for decades. The road you lot are being led down is the as what happened to Blackpool. Those organising these campaigns and boycotts will end up killing the club.
With respect, Sue, I think you've started on the Xmas sherry a bit too soon ...your usually impeccable grammar has severely gone to pot.
Have a little lie down and maybe try again.
Fanny by name fanny by nature. Pretty much sums the fans of today up down there. Chucking stress balls and worrying about grammar. Proper South London.
Oh dear, someone is past their bedtime and showing off ...
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
When RD came in we finished 9th in the Championship, with a good solid squad of players playing in front of crowds of 16k+
Now, where are we now?
That is the argument, and the blame lays solely at the feet of RD & the SMT
Never turn your back on the team. If CARD sent out messsge tomorrow to all go to the Peterborough game would you all go? In terms of the attendances of course they are going to be higher as the away following are bigger as well as some of the games are more attractive to the floating fan.
No one has turned there back on the team and you know that
Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
4,000 didn't renew as CARD stated not to renew and put financial pressure on the owner. Factor in the travelling support or 2,000 to 3,000 and then 3,000 floating fans then you pretty much have your 16,000.
Reading that I'd almost think things are going OK. Then you look at the swathes of empty seats for all home matches and you realise that it's not actually a happy Valley
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You best stay at home then.
I will be there as always supporting the team.
What a shame you'll be there supporting the team but not caring about the future of the club.It is not a problem supporting the team whether you're wearing black and white or not. People like yourself seem to have an issue with other fans wearing something that shows they do not back the regime. I don't really see what your problem is with how other fans show their discontent with the owner, you're derogatory comments are made more to seek a reaction.
What a muggy comment. I have been going week in week out for decades. The road you lot are being led down is the as what happened to Blackpool. Those organising these campaigns and boycotts will end up killing the club.
With respect, Sue, I think you've started on the Xmas sherry a bit too soon ...your usually impeccable grammar has severely gone to pot.
Have a little lie down and maybe try again.
Fanny by name fanny by nature. Pretty much sums the fans of today up down there. Chucking stress balls and worrying about grammar. Proper South London.
Oi. Leave off. You can insult many things/people on here but Fanny is not one of them!
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
It was hard to understand your POV beforehand, but now you've intimated that a main issue you have is a personal one with people connected to the group reponsible for driving the protests then your anti-protest stance is even more difficult to agree with.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
It was hard to understand your POV beforehand, but now you've intimated that a main issue you have is a personal one with people connected to the group reponsible for driving the protests then your anti-protest stance is even more difficult to agree with.
Think Henry put his normal spin on that. It's what he does best.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
Don't know the story here and frankly don't care. But don't let one past experience and subsequent view on one person affect your view on the whole protest movement.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
Never said anything about you standing by "my" taxi.
But I see now what you gripe is.
Nothing to do what CARD stand for or the protests but an old grudge about you getting a ban.
No idea about all that or whether anyone in CARD was involved (I'm not part of CARD for the 100th time) but shows that you complaints are again about personalities not the protests as I said.
Hartleypete said: » show previous quotes Mate if you are happy with the shit constantly served up by the regime great, some of us just set our goals a little higher. Set your goals higher? You support Charlton. It's in the clubs DNA to let you down, it's part and parcel of being a football fan, if you want to set yourself higher standards and not follow your team perhaps Charlton isn't the club for you.
I think you are clearly missing the point or are just as thick as two short planks not sure which, but let me explain in simple words.
Sorry mate on second thoughts you clearly don't get it so can't be bothered to argue with an idiot.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
When RD came in we finished 9th in the Championship, with a good solid squad of players playing in front of crowds of 16k+
Now, where are we now?
That is the argument, and the blame lays solely at the feet of RD & the SMT
Never turn your back on the team. If CARD sent out messsge tomorrow to all go to the Peterborough game would you all go? In terms of the attendances of course they are going to be higher as the away following are bigger as well as some of the games are more attractive to the floating fan.
No one has turned there back on the team and you know that
Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
4,000 didn't renew as CARD stated not to renew and put financial pressure on the owner. Factor in the travelling support or 2,000 to 3,000 and then 3,000 floating fans then you pretty much have your 16,000.
Card don't tell me how to spend my money and I don't remember reading that don't buy a season ticket from them. They said delay buying one, until the start of August.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
It was hard to understand your POV beforehand, but now you've intimated that a main issue you have is a personal one with people connected to the group reponsible for driving the protests then your anti-protest stance is even more difficult to agree with.
Think Henry put his normal spin on that. It's what he does best.
No need to spin it as you said it yourself. You hate protests because you got a two year ban and blame an unnamed person in CARD
Still don't get the standing by my taxi reference btw @WhenIwasLittleBoy
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
Never said anything about you standing by "my" taxi.
But I see now what you gripe is.
Nothing to do what CARD stand for or the protests but an old grudge about you getting a ban.
No idea about all that or whether anyone in CARD was involved (I'm not part of CARD for the 100th time) but shows that you complaints are again about personalities not the protests as I said.
They are against the protests as I go to watch football and not have games interrupted. I also have got to the point where I no longer enjoying going to football due to the toxic atmosphere and the fact that football no longer is enjoyable and no matter how much spin you put on it Ben it is down to the promoting things by CARD, the day my family no longer enjoy our days out that's wrong. There is hypocrisy within your circle and some of which have always been anti establishment. Remember old Bill and Wally on the away travel coaches and then a certain couple stepped in to create a breakaway travel. Why did Voice of the Valley suddenly disappear off of the street corners and then once people were no longer associated within the club internally magically it appeared again. Certain fanzines would campaign for a certain person to get them onto the clubs board as the fans representive and promoting them as well as what they state what they would do or some cases wouldn't once elected and always seemed to be a close circuit and they knock masons. Why would you say that it was me standing by the CARD taxi? Or just another cheap shot. Nothing about grudges it's about knowing how slippery certain people are. So much even one such person was banging the drum about boycotting a particular game only to be seen sneaking in once the match had started. Why won't you and your circle that have spoken to the media meet with KM as per her invitation or Robinson or would you see this as a defeat ?
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
I was glad to see the change in manager, others may disagree, yet under the previous regime we had ONE managerial change in three years. Under this lot we have had SEVEN in a shorter period of time. Plus it's also worth mentioning that the previous regime, regardless of what people think of them, stuck with Chris Powell after a sticky start, then gave him the opportunity to continue his work the following season and funded a completely new squad packed with players that were considered very good for the level.
Under Duchatelet, Powell would have been ousted by the end of his first season and we would never have gone on to build the team we did nor win the league in such dramatic fashion. Whilst there may be some similarities between the two regimes, the last lot at least seemed to want success on the pitch and they didn't feel the need to tell the manager how he should go about achieving that.
If you read my quote properly it states a toxic atmosphere.please read back.
The root of the problem is the owner and the useless team he has allowed to run the club into the ground. That is what has created all the toxicity around the club, so stop making excuses for them and accept the fact that if they had done things properly from the beginning, there would be no protests. The blame for all of these problems is firmly with Duchatelet and co.
If you read my quote properly it states a toxic atmosphere.please read back.
The root of the problem is the owner and the useless team he has allowed to run the club into the ground. That is what has created all the toxicity around the club, so stop making excuses for them and accept the fact that if they had done things properly from the beginning, there would be no protests. The blame for all of these problems is firmly with Duchatelet and co.
My point is why did nothing get done with previous owners?
Anyone with half a brain could see that Jimemez was ruining the club and the stories that were coming out were outrageous.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
I was glad to see the change in manager, others may disagree, yet under the previous regime we had ONE managerial change in three years. Under this lot we have had SEVEN in a shorter period of time. Plus it's also worth mentioning that the previous regime, regardless of what people think of them, stuck with Chris Powell after a sticky start, then gave him the opportunity to continue his work the following season and funded a completely new squad packed with players that were considered very good for the level.
Under Duchatelet, Powell would have been ousted by the end of his first season and we would never have gone on to build the team we did nor win the league in such dramatic fashion. Whilst there may be some similarities between the two regimes, the last lot at least seemed to want success on the pitch and they didn't feel the need to tell the manager how he should go about achieving that.
Powell and Jimenez never spoke, and the money was due to Jenkinsons sale to Arsenal and the funds from Cash. Jimemez was a huge Chelsea fan and the day we lifted the title he had a motorbike waiting outside to take him over to Wembley to watch Chelsea in the final. Some owner that.
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Anyway - I doubt that the 4 thousand missing season ticket holder were floating fans
Attendances are down, not only because of a lower division, but because of the SMT's actions (Just look at average attendances during the clubs last stay in League 1 for comparisons)
Never said anything about you standing by "my" taxi.
But I see now what you gripe is.
Nothing to do what CARD stand for or the protests but an old grudge about you getting a ban.
No idea about all that or whether anyone in CARD was involved (I'm not part of CARD for the 100th time) but shows that you complaints are again about personalities not the protests as I said.
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Mate if you are happy with the shit constantly served up by the regime great, some of us just set our goals a little higher.
Set your goals higher? You support Charlton. It's in the clubs DNA to let you down, it's part and parcel of being a football fan, if you want to set yourself higher standards and not follow your team perhaps Charlton isn't the club for you.
I think you are clearly missing the point or are just as thick as two short planks not sure which, but let me explain in simple words.
Sorry mate on second thoughts you clearly don't get it so can't be bothered to argue with an idiot.
Still don't get the standing by my taxi reference btw @WhenIwasLittleBoy
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch.
What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge?
Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement.
RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say.
It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here.
Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
Think you are a bit confused @WhenIwasLittleBoy
Never said anything about you standing by "my" taxi.
But I see now what you gripe is.
Nothing to do what CARD stand for or the protests but an old grudge about you getting a ban.
No idea about all that or whether anyone in CARD was involved (I'm not part of CARD for the 100th time) but shows that you complaints are again about personalities not the protests as I said.
They are against the protests as I go to watch football and not have games interrupted. I also have got to the point where I no longer enjoying going to football due to the toxic atmosphere and the fact that football no longer is enjoyable and no matter how much spin you put on it Ben it is down to the promoting things by CARD, the day my family no longer enjoy our days out that's wrong.
There is hypocrisy within your circle and some of which have always been anti establishment. Remember old Bill and Wally on the away travel coaches and then a certain couple stepped in to create a breakaway travel.
Why did Voice of the Valley suddenly disappear off of the street corners and then once people were no longer associated within the club internally magically it appeared again.
Certain fanzines would campaign for a certain person to get them onto the clubs board as the fans representive and promoting them as well as what they state what they would do or some cases wouldn't once elected and always seemed to be a close circuit and they knock masons.
Why would you say that it was me standing by the CARD taxi? Or just another cheap shot.
Nothing about grudges it's about knowing how slippery certain people are. So much even one such person was banging the drum about boycotting a particular game only to be seen sneaking in once the match had started.
Why won't you and your circle that have spoken to the media meet with KM as per her invitation or Robinson or would you see this as a defeat ?
But I never said anything about you standing by a taxi. What is that about? Why do you think I said that.
I'd meet KM or KR tomorrow.
I did met KM a few weeks ago as part of Bromley Addicks and I said on here we'd have KR at Bromley Addicks.
Under Duchatelet, Powell would have been ousted by the end of his first season and we would never have gone on to build the team we did nor win the league in such dramatic fashion. Whilst there may be some similarities between the two regimes, the last lot at least seemed to want success on the pitch and they didn't feel the need to tell the manager how he should go about achieving that.
Anyone with half a brain could see that Jimemez was ruining the club and the stories that were coming out were outrageous.
Jimemez was a huge Chelsea fan and the day we lifted the title he had a motorbike waiting outside to take him over to Wembley to watch Chelsea in the final. Some owner that.