Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here. Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
If you're referring to me there, I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about?
By now I think everyone on the forum knows you. You say that CARD is embarrassing and wrecking your enjoyment, what is more embarrassing to the club are banned supporters who tarnish the clubs reputation.
Lol. With a statement like that. If you are in a pub talking to a armed robber does that mean you are going to hold up a bank? Charlton wanted people to be nicked and asked people who worked for the club who now distribute beach balls stress balls and other objects before a game to name people. The police said I had nothing to do with the incident and was in another part of town however the club banned me for association
and that my friend is one of the reasons why people are protesting
This happened when we were in the premiership. By the way how can you call someone a friend when you don't them? Or is that just another patronising remark.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here. Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
If you're referring to me there, I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about?
Did I say you? If it was you I would have happily have said you.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here. Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
If you're referring to me there, I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about?
Did I say you? If it was you I would have happily have said you.
No, which is why I asked you a question. Struggling to see who you are talking about though, tbh.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
Never said he was a crook, in fact I said the opposite @WhenIwasLittleBoy
I don't mind if I meet Robinson or not, he isn't the problem.
You get very upset, calling other fans "muggy", for doubting your support but do the very same thing yourself. I support the team and club just as much as you. No more, no less. You aren't a better or worse fan than me or anyone else, Dean.
Strange thing to call me "notorious" what does that mean? Maybe youve gone so far down the road of hating Rick and others you see as left wing that you can no longer see the big picture. Your arguments are confused and have no substance other than "I'm a real fan and the rest of you are being brainwashed".
At least give people the credit for making up their own minds even if you think they are wrong.
The woo is me line has resurfaced. I noted the other week you highlighted me standing by your taxi why was that?
I have never stated to be better or worse what I will do is stand up to others in which it appears is something that people aren't used to on here. Memories of when certain people who are connected with CARD were employed by the club and grassed me as well as others up and tried to get a conviction in which the police said no to and was proven I wasn't there but then proceeded to ban me for 2 years.
If you're referring to me there, I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about?
Did I say you? If it was you I would have happily have said you.
No, which is why I asked you a question. Struggling to see who you are talking about though, tbh.
By now I think everyone on the forum knows you. You say that CARD is embarrassing and wrecking your enjoyment, what is more embarrassing to the club are banned supporters who tarnish the clubs reputation.
Lol. With a statement like that. If you are in a pub talking to a armed robber does that mean you are going to hold up a bank? Charlton wanted people to be nicked and asked people who worked for the club who now distribute beach balls stress balls and other objects before a game to name people. The police said I had nothing to do with the incident and was in another part of town however the club banned me for association
and that my friend is one of the reasons why people are protesting
This happened when we were in the premiership. By the way how can you call someone a friend when you don't them? Or is that just another patronising remark.
Well I'm happy to agree with @WhenIwasLittleBoy, Duchatelet is not the worst possible owner, many clubs have worse and we have arguably had worse before.
If he now chose to appoint a competent CEO, gave that CEO a budget to manage with the manager/director of football/head coach/manager as appropriate, I think we wouldn't be having these discussions.
Maybe we will get there and he will learn from his mistakes.
For what it is worth, since deciding to protest part way into Luzon's gig as manager, I have always favoured protests which happen outside the ground and as many people as possible inside the ground cheering on the team as possible.
I've come to accept in game protests over time, particularly if they do not really affect the game.
Unfortunately it does not seem Duchatelet understands football at all. An expensive hobby for him.
He seems stubborn. Fair enough, we all have a bit of that in us. But is he also able to still learn and change his approach?
I guess we will find out.
Will still be attending some home games with my son and some of his friends, will still protest if I think that protest is appropriate.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
RD is a successful businessman in the field of micro-electronics. However he did not create the company Melexis, he bought it for a song when it was in financial distress.
A football club as a business bears no relationship to a technical manufacturing business like that. Nor does he run Melexis like he runs his football clubs. At Melexis his CEO is 50 and worked her way up through the company ranks.
As the CEO of Wimbledon said to me, "if I was appointed Glaxo Smith Kline, I wouldn't wander down to the research lab and say to the techs there "hey mix some aspirin with that cold remedy, I am sure it will be more effective. So I don't behave like that to Neal Ardley either"
RD's tenure and "strategy" at all his football clubs have shown no appreciable success. When he ventured into politics, that was a complete failure too. If he would stick to his knitting, and put qualified professionals in charge of his clubs, holding them to account when they don't meet pre-agreed objectives, we would all be fine. Instead he treats football as a plaything, a vanity project where he experiments with his bizarre ideas, which he would never dare do at Melexis.
You can gaze up to him with deference as a "successful businessman" if you want. Some of us with an understanding of how different businesses function, in different ways, can see through his mis-management, to the damage it is doing. How are we 'running the club down', especially when in many cases we all worked so hard to help build it up when it nearly disappeared into SE25? That was a most offensive remark on your part.
Anyone who buys a business and turns it around must have some kind of good business sense. A very good friend of mine is the assistant manager of Wimbeldon and I wouldn't believe everything their CEO says or practices believe you me. For the record I was over at SE 25 and I am sure you can well remember how we were notified about the move as well and the time frame.
Well bully for you. Which of the following facts about Erik Samuelson and AFC Wimbledon do you dispute?:
1. Erik Samuelson works as CEO on a salary of one guinea per year 2. He is a Wimbledon fan (as are his two sons). 3.They are debt free. 4. The main shareholders (to whom Samuelson reports) are the fans 5. They have a cost budget for this year of £4m (by contrast we have probably spent that much on Sarr, Ba and Russell Slade ) 6. Neal Ardley is one of the longest serving managers in the league 7. They are 4 places above us in the table and beat us at the Valley
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement. RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say. It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
RD is a successful businessman in the field of micro-electronics. However he did not create the company Melexis, he bought it for a song when it was in financial distress.
A football club as a business bears no relationship to a technical manufacturing business like that. Nor does he run Melexis like he runs his football clubs. At Melexis his CEO is 50 and worked her way up through the company ranks.
As the CEO of Wimbledon said to me, "if I was appointed Glaxo Smith Kline, I wouldn't wander down to the research lab and say to the techs there "hey mix some aspirin with that cold remedy, I am sure it will be more effective. So I don't behave like that to Neal Ardley either"
RD's tenure and "strategy" at all his football clubs have shown no appreciable success. When he ventured into politics, that was a complete failure too. If he would stick to his knitting, and put qualified professionals in charge of his clubs, holding them to account when they don't meet pre-agreed objectives, we would all be fine. Instead he treats football as a plaything, a vanity project where he experiments with his bizarre ideas, which he would never dare do at Melexis.
You can gaze up to him with deference as a "successful businessman" if you want. Some of us with an understanding of how different businesses function, in different ways, can see through his mis-management, to the damage it is doing. How are we 'running the club down', especially when in many cases we all worked so hard to help build it up when it nearly disappeared into SE25? That was a most offensive remark on your part.
Anyone who buys a business and turns it around must have some kind of good business sense. A very good friend of mine is the assistant manager of Wimbeldon and I wouldn't believe everything their CEO says or practices believe you me. For the record I was over at SE 25 and I am sure you can well remember how we were notified about the move as well and the time frame.
Well bully for you. Which of the following facts about Erik Samuelson and AFC Wimbledon do you dispute?:
1. Erik Samuelson works as CEO on a salary of one guinea per year 2. He is a Wimbledon fan (as are his two sons). 3.They are debt free. 4. The main shareholders (to whom Samuelson reports) are the fans 5. They have a cost budget for this year of £4m (by contrast we have probably spent that much on Sarr, Ba and Russell Slade ) 6. Neal Ardley is one of the longest serving managers in the league 7. They are 4 places above us in the table and beat us at the Valley
Think you will find that the fans pay into the club every month. I know for a fact that we approached them for Ardley twice and wanted to wait until after the play off final. They are not totally debt free. Win our game in hand and we go above them. Expectations at the start of this season mid table maybe play offs. Ardley was escorted by police from an underground tunnel that is only used by royalty after the play off final as he had a plane to catch from Heathrow to America for his family holiday.
Think you will find that the fans pay into the club every month. I know for a fact that we approached them for Ardley twice and wanted to wait until after the play off final. They are not totally debt free. Win our game in hand and we go above them. Expectations at the start of this season mid table maybe play offs. Ardley was escorted by police from an underground tunnel that is only used by royalty after the play off final as he had a plane to catch from Heathrow to America for his family holiday.
Well their accounts are a matter of public record. So what are these hidden debts? I saw all the figures for the last four years.
The fans pay £25 per year to renew their individual share in the club. So a lot less than I pay into Valley Gold, for, increasingly, no good reason.
Whose expectations? On what basis? Not on the basis of their salary budget, one of the lowest in the division. Do you understand my point?
Even if the story you quote about Ardley is true, who would give a monkey's? They never expected to be there in the first place. Their salary budget in League Two placed them 14th. Again, I have seen all the figures. I think Neal Ardley earned his holiday, and its good management to get him away on it.
Why not get off the CARD trip. The man has the balls to offer an olive branch and meet the fans. The man has been there a week and shows passion as well as enthusiasm and all we see or read are derogatory comments and silly images. Back the team and get behind them for the second half of the season.
The response from the overwhelming majority of Charlton supporters has been positive to Karl Robinson.
The major problem is the off field running of the club, the inept management staff & the flawed & poorly enacted strategy / vision of the club. This directed by an owner who closes his mind & refuses to hear any critical voices.
So you will have to forgive those that sceptical about whether anything has changed. Evidence of more sensible decisions & better approach off the pitch that will underpin success on the pitch is needed. Duchatelet & Meire have demonstrated limited capability of that at their time at Charlton so far.
Regardless of what happens or whom is appointed there are certain factions that will continually carry on. Although they deny it there actions do effect the players and results therefor they are as much to blame in hurting the team and club rather than the owners logic would be to turn up and support the team with as passion as there is as when it comes to chucking things on the pitch. What also would be embarrassing is going over to the spanners on the 21st listening to all the anti songs wearing black and white rather than supporting the team and wearing the red of Charlton.
You're not a plumber by any chance are you, because it sounds like you might be talking ballcocks...
No-one is as much to blame for the state of the club as the regime. Their negligence and cack-handed approach to running our club is 100% responsible for our current crisis, and for all further crises we will face as long as they remain.
None of this is down to the fans' protests, which are a reaction to, and an attempt to find a remedy for, the complete farce the club has become.
I take it you understand what state the club was in financially and where we were heading before they took over.
I think everyone knows what the state of the club was in before the regime took over and that is not the argument. The argument is the way that players, staff and fans have been treated / lied too along with the "We know best" attitude from the SMT (We are now where we are because of them, not the previous regime)
And that wasn't the case under Jimenez? At least we now where the money is coming from.How about the people who worked for the club and didn't get paid and were then made redundant? How about Parky getting the boot after his first game in charge? Where were the protests then.?
I was glad to see the change in manager, others may disagree, yet under the previous regime we had ONE managerial change in three years. Under this lot we have had SEVEN in a shorter period of time. Plus it's also worth mentioning that the previous regime, regardless of what people think of them, stuck with Chris Powell after a sticky start, then gave him the opportunity to continue his work the following season and funded a completely new squad packed with players that were considered very good for the level.
Under Duchatelet, Powell would have been ousted by the end of his first season and we would never have gone on to build the team we did nor win the league in such dramatic fashion. Whilst there may be some similarities between the two regimes, the last lot at least seemed to want success on the pitch and they didn't feel the need to tell the manager how he should go about achieving that.
Powell and Jimenez never spoke, and the money was due to Jenkinsons sale to Arsenal and the funds from Cash. Jimemez was a huge Chelsea fan and the day we lifted the title he had a motorbike waiting outside to take him over to Wembley to watch Chelsea in the final. Some owner that.
Yeah, what a lousy owner actually watching a match at the club he's involved with..
First of all, you make absolutely no sense WIWLB - you don't enjoy the politics of football, but you're going to vehemently argue about how bad the previous ownership was in comparison to Roland. That's a little peculiar, but ok.
On the subject of previous owners, you are aware that Roland was never meant to be the purchaser? One potential owner walked away when the asking price was raised, leaving Roland as the only mug willing to pay such a high amount. The reason he paid for it is most likely because his due diligence was done on the cheap and he missed out on a few issues. We know he wasn't aware of charges attached to The Valley for instance.
CARD never asked people not to renew their season tickets. That's a pretty common misconception but that doesn't make it true. They asked people to delay, however some (like myself.) simply didn't renew because that was their personal decision.
You mentioned TJ not being able to buy Powell out of his contract and get a new manager in.. Bullshit. Why on earth would they have wanted to get rid of a manager who had a 100+ point season, and then finished 9th in a higher league?! Regardless of if the money was there, they wouldn't need to have sacked him.
Then you compare us to Blackpool: another example of the fans protesting and destroying the club apparently. We ARE like Blackpool, but I suggest you have a look at why the fans are protesting and who is really destroying the club. I've never heard ANYONE defend the Oystons before, so I'm going to assume you're very confused on the subject.
Lastly, your real gripe has finally come out: it's not what CARD stands for, but the presence of an individual who got you banned? So you're going to tarnish the entire movement with your feelings aimed at one person? And, you're going to do that whilst accusing CARD of being petty? I think you may want to have another think about that.
If it's true you've resorted to sending threatening PMs then I think maybe the internet isn't for you. Quite clearly you can't comprehend anyone having an opinion that is different than yours, you feign outrage about a one liner that was made several days ago in an unrelated thread, you have a persecution complex over an incident that happened years ago, and you can't seem to have a discussion without resorting to petty attacks on people.
CharltonLife clearly makes you a very angry person and maybe you should consider whether it's healthy to continue posting.
Has KR responded to the Trust,s invitation. This thread has degraded into a trolls vanity project.
Careful. I called him a troll once and received various threatening pm's from him!!
Troll or not, he's certainly turned this thread into a one-person see -how-many-people-you-can-wind-up affair. He also has a lot of chips on his shoulder which seem to be about the way he has been treated rather than the club. One best left alone I would suggest.
Has KR responded to the Trust,s invitation. This thread has degraded into a trolls vanity project.
Careful. I called him a troll once and received various threatening pm's from him!!
Troll or not, he's certainly turned this thread into a one-person see -how-many-people-you-can-wind-up affair. He also has a lot of chips on his shoulder which seem to be about the way he has been treated rather than the club. One best left alone I would suggest.
*They had a much better approach to fan relations - Chris Powell as manager, engaging with fans including the newly formed Trust - not difficult really.
*They also presided over a record winning title season and increases in crowds, as well as putting the club on an upwards trajectory and then consolidation, and did it reasonably frugally.
Although they came under a certain amount of criticism, that is why there weren't popular demonstrations of the sort we see now - although I suspect PV was responsible for most of positive things listed. We don't really know where RDs money is coming from or what his intent is.
Perhaps the real lesson to come out of it is that in the modern era, Charlton fans need to be 'political', because our club and many others have become the plaything of speculators, and experiments, due to the huge financial distortion of the premier league.
We and other fans in English football beyond a small elite need to look at the bigger picture and find a way of ending this madness that is ruining our game and our clubs.
A starting point might be to form our own independent coalition of supporters trusts, to construct a real and effective pressure group for fans, to put real pressure on politicians for change. Without that we will continue to fight these sort of individual battles.
*They had a much better approach to fan relations - Chris Powell as manager, engaging with fans including the newly formed Trust - not difficult really.
*They also presided over a record winning title season and increases in crowds, as well as putting the club on an upwards trajectory and then consolidation, and did it reasonably frugally.
Although they came under a certain amount of criticism, that is why there weren't popular demonstrations of the sort we see now - although I suspect PV was responsible for most of positive things listed. We don't really know where RDs money is coming from or what his intent is.
Perhaps the real lesson to come out of it is that in the modern era, Charlton fans need to be 'political', because our club and many others have become the plaything of speculators, and experiments, due to the huge financial distortion of the premier league.
We and other fans in English football beyond a small elite need to look at the bigger picture and find a way of ending this madness that is ruining our game and our clubs.
A starting point might be to form our own independent coalition of supporters trusts, to construct a real and effective pressure group for fans, to put real pressure on politicians for change. Without that we will continue to fight these sort of individual battles.
It's already in the works. It always relies on individuals in various Trusts who see the value of co-operation. Fortunately there is now a good guy at Blackburn who has brought together Leeds, Blackpool, Orient and us. But the Coventry Trust, whom you'd expect to be right in there, are just very difficult to engage with. As we found when co-ordinating the demo with them. Together we lobbied MPs to support the Early Day Motion on Corruption in Football. Against League 3 is also a quite potent umbrella group.
Blackpool have received significant support from Spirit of Shankly among others, while we get regular tweet support from our Olympic Stadium Trust colleagues at Spurs, Orient, AFC Wimbledon and Fulham.
We support the team, just as we did under Gliksten, Fryer and Jimenez. Players and owners will come go, fans are loyal. Five generations of my family have supported the club since the 1910s. I have seen some proper proper shit and under worse management. Look at Leeds, Newcastle, Man U, Pompey, Villa all had issues with their board but one thing is for sure their fans backed them during the game and never brought it into the game and encouraged fans to boycott to destroy the atmosphere and support.
If Jiminez and Slater were not trying hard to sell the club, of course there would have been protests. But their objective was the same as ours so what was there to protest about? Duchatelet is not a crook, but he didn't save us in that if he didn't buy us somebody else would have! As there have been people willing to buy us since he bought the club. He appointed a CEO that has been a disaster and I have no doubt the situation with the fans would not be so toxic if it wasn't for her and her ego, but he keeps her in her job! It is incredible how people who love the club defend him, but I say they are only about 2% and unlike Meire's famous quote, I am much more likely to be right.
There have been wind up merchants who like the attention for quite a while on this and other sites! Although one of your recent post suggests another motivation.
Look at Leeds, Newcastle, Man U, Pompey, Villa all had issues with their board but one thing is for sure their fans backed them during the game and never brought it into the game and encouraged fans to boycott to destroy the atmosphere and support.
Not read the while thread. Just in case nobody else has pointed it out, a significant number of United fans left Old Trafford and formed their own club, FC United of Manchester - I'd class that as a boycott, a permanent boycott.
Newcastle supporters have organised mid-game walkouts and other in-match protests, Villa had started to escalate their protests but have now been sold, Leeds started the "Time to go, Massimo" campaign but have now given their owner some leeway because, unlike our owner, he seems to have finally started to learn from his mistakes.
Pompey changed ownership so often on their way down that I don't think they had a chance to do anything except watch on in horror.
I think the problem is with the FA and the football league, they just don't care about the fans. With so many groups of fans protesting they have done absolutely nothing. They would be happy for games to be played in empty stadiums as long as they are getting their TV money from SKY. This will probably be the future. And Roland would probably prefer that as well. Sacking KM and hiring someone competent would in my opinion bring a lot of fans back to the valley, but he doesn't care how many are there on a Saturday.
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If he now chose to appoint a competent CEO, gave that CEO a budget to manage with the manager/director of football/head coach/manager as appropriate, I think we wouldn't be having these discussions.
Maybe we will get there and he will learn from his mistakes.
For what it is worth, since deciding to protest part way into Luzon's gig as manager, I have always favoured protests which happen outside the ground and as many people as possible inside the ground cheering on the team as possible.
I've come to accept in game protests over time, particularly if they do not really affect the game.
Unfortunately it does not seem Duchatelet understands football at all. An expensive hobby for him.
He seems stubborn. Fair enough, we all have a bit of that in us. But is he also able to still learn and change his approach?
I guess we will find out.
Will still be attending some home games with my son and some of his friends, will still protest if I think that protest is appropriate.
1. Erik Samuelson works as CEO on a salary of one guinea per year
2. He is a Wimbledon fan (as are his two sons).
3.They are debt free.
4. The main shareholders (to whom Samuelson reports) are the fans
5. They have a cost budget for this year of £4m (by contrast we have probably spent that much on Sarr, Ba and Russell Slade )
6. Neal Ardley is one of the longest serving managers in the league
7. They are 4 places above us in the table and beat us at the Valley
Where were the protests then.?
@WhenIwasLittleBoy I and others were critical of the Spivs but again people said "they saved the club", "you buy the club if you think you can do better", "don't see the problem", "I just want to see the game" etc etc.
For all their many, many faults at least the Spivs stuck by their manager and had football ambition. And we were in the Championship and finished 9th.
But you are right, we were heading for Admin under the Spivs so I and many other were relieved to see a new owner come in. A rich owner too.
It could have been so different as I don't think RD is a crook, or trying to deliberately kill the club or build on the Valley but he is making a disaster of his ownership of our club because he doesn't understand football and he appoints and gives huge responsibility to unqualified and inexperienced people like Meire, Fraeye and Driesen because they are part of his inner circle of friends.
It's not working and it never will, even if Robinson wins a few games and gets us promoted (still a big if) we'll face the same problems in the Championship as we did before under Duchatelet.
The reason their wasn't another manager in the summer was because Cash pulled out and Pinky and Perky didn't have the money to either get rid of Powell or bring in a replacement with a replacement.
RD isn't a crook In fact he is an astute business man redardless of what people think or say.
It's a declaration of your support to the club sadly as you have stated that it will never work. It's people like you and the other notorious people that will run this club down with your opinions. You gone so far down the line with is even of you did decide to meet with the KM or Robison and decide to support you would see that as a defeat and the sad thing is you are not seeing the bigger picture.
RD is a successful businessman in the field of micro-electronics. However he did not create the company Melexis, he bought it for a song when it was in financial distress.
A football club as a business bears no relationship to a technical manufacturing business like that. Nor does he run Melexis like he runs his football clubs. At Melexis his CEO is 50 and worked her way up through the company ranks.
As the CEO of Wimbledon said to me, "if I was appointed Glaxo Smith Kline, I wouldn't wander down to the research lab and say to the techs there "hey mix some aspirin with that cold remedy, I am sure it will be more effective. So I don't behave like that to Neal Ardley either"
RD's tenure and "strategy" at all his football clubs have shown no appreciable success. When he ventured into politics, that was a complete failure too. If he would stick to his knitting, and put qualified professionals in charge of his clubs, holding them to account when they don't meet pre-agreed objectives, we would all be fine. Instead he treats football as a plaything, a vanity project where he experiments with his bizarre ideas, which he would never dare do at Melexis.
You can gaze up to him with deference as a "successful businessman" if you want. Some of us with an understanding of how different businesses function, in different ways, can see through his mis-management, to the damage it is doing. How are we 'running the club down', especially when in many cases we all worked so hard to help build it up when it nearly disappeared into SE25? That was a most offensive remark on your part.
Anyone who buys a business and turns it around must have some kind of good business sense. A very good friend of mine is the assistant manager of Wimbeldon and I wouldn't believe everything their CEO says or practices believe you me. For the record I was over at SE 25 and I am sure you can well remember how we were notified about the move as well and the time frame.
Well bully for you. Which of the following facts about Erik Samuelson and AFC Wimbledon do you dispute?:
1. Erik Samuelson works as CEO on a salary of one guinea per year
2. He is a Wimbledon fan (as are his two sons).
3.They are debt free.
4. The main shareholders (to whom Samuelson reports) are the fans
5. They have a cost budget for this year of £4m (by contrast we have probably spent that much on Sarr, Ba and Russell Slade )
6. Neal Ardley is one of the longest serving managers in the league
7. They are 4 places above us in the table and beat us at the Valley
Think you will find that the fans pay into the club every month. I know for a fact that we approached them for Ardley twice and wanted to wait until after the play off final.
They are not totally debt free.
Win our game in hand and we go above them.
Expectations at the start of this season mid table maybe play offs.
Ardley was escorted by police from an underground tunnel that is only used by royalty after the play off final as he had a plane to catch from Heathrow to America for his family holiday.
Just took Ian's "Roland out" beanie off as he was nodding off.
We both want Roland Out. Most decent Charlton fans do. Those that are slagging protesters off need to have a look at themselves.
Think you will find that the fans pay into the club every month. I know for a fact that we approached them for Ardley twice and wanted to wait until after the play off final.
They are not totally debt free.
Win our game in hand and we go above them.
Expectations at the start of this season mid table maybe play offs.
Ardley was escorted by police from an underground tunnel that is only used by royalty after the play off final as he had a plane to catch from Heathrow to America for his family holiday.
Well their accounts are a matter of public record. So what are these hidden debts? I saw all the figures for the last four years.
The fans pay £25 per year to renew their individual share in the club. So a lot less than I pay into Valley Gold, for, increasingly, no good reason.
Whose expectations? On what basis? Not on the basis of their salary budget, one of the lowest in the division. Do you understand my point?
Even if the story you quote about Ardley is true, who would give a monkey's? They never expected to be there in the first place. Their salary budget in League Two placed them 14th. Again, I have seen all the figures. I think Neal Ardley earned his holiday, and its good management to get him away on it.
First of all, you make absolutely no sense WIWLB - you don't enjoy the politics of football, but you're going to vehemently argue about how bad the previous ownership was in comparison to Roland. That's a little peculiar, but ok.
On the subject of previous owners, you are aware that Roland was never meant to be the purchaser? One potential owner walked away when the asking price was raised, leaving Roland as the only mug willing to pay such a high amount. The reason he paid for it is most likely because his due diligence was done on the cheap and he missed out on a few issues. We know he wasn't aware of charges attached to The Valley for instance.
CARD never asked people not to renew their season tickets. That's a pretty common misconception but that doesn't make it true. They asked people to delay, however some (like myself.) simply didn't renew because that was their personal decision.
You mentioned TJ not being able to buy Powell out of his contract and get a new manager in.. Bullshit. Why on earth would they have wanted to get rid of a manager who had a 100+ point season, and then finished 9th in a higher league?! Regardless of if the money was there, they wouldn't need to have sacked him.
Then you compare us to Blackpool: another example of the fans protesting and destroying the club apparently. We ARE like Blackpool, but I suggest you have a look at why the fans are protesting and who is really destroying the club. I've never heard ANYONE defend the Oystons before, so I'm going to assume you're very confused on the subject.
Lastly, your real gripe has finally come out: it's not what CARD stands for, but the presence of an individual who got you banned? So you're going to tarnish the entire movement with your feelings aimed at one person? And, you're going to do that whilst accusing CARD of being petty? I think you may want to have another think about that.
If it's true you've resorted to sending threatening PMs then I think maybe the internet isn't for you. Quite clearly you can't comprehend anyone having an opinion that is different than yours, you feign outrage about a one liner that was made several days ago in an unrelated thread, you have a persecution complex over an incident that happened years ago, and you can't seem to have a discussion without resorting to petty attacks on people.
CharltonLife clearly makes you a very angry person and maybe you should consider whether it's healthy to continue posting.
*They had a much better approach to fan relations - Chris Powell as manager, engaging with fans including the newly formed Trust - not difficult really.
*They also presided over a record winning title season and increases in crowds, as well as putting the club on an upwards trajectory and then consolidation, and did it reasonably frugally.
Although they came under a certain amount of criticism, that is why there weren't popular demonstrations of the sort we see now - although I suspect PV was responsible for most of positive things listed. We don't really know where RDs money is coming from or what his intent is.
Perhaps the real lesson to come out of it is that in the modern era, Charlton fans need to be 'political', because our club and many others have become the plaything of speculators, and experiments, due to the huge financial distortion of the premier league.
We and other fans in English football beyond a small elite need to look at the bigger picture and find a way of ending this madness that is ruining our game and our clubs.
A starting point might be to form our own independent coalition of supporters trusts, to construct a real and effective pressure group for fans, to put real pressure on politicians for change. Without that we will continue to fight these sort of individual battles.
Blackpool have received significant support from Spirit of Shankly among others, while we get regular tweet support from our Olympic Stadium Trust colleagues at Spurs, Orient, AFC Wimbledon and Fulham.
Might liven up my afternoon.
There have been wind up merchants who like the attention for quite a while on this and other sites! Although one of your recent post suggests another motivation.
Newcastle supporters have organised mid-game walkouts and other in-match protests, Villa had started to escalate their protests but have now been sold, Leeds started the "Time to go, Massimo" campaign but have now given their owner some leeway because, unlike our owner, he seems to have finally started to learn from his mistakes.
Pompey changed ownership so often on their way down that I don't think they had a chance to do anything except watch on in horror.
I sent a few which I think have been reviewed by the thought police but hopefully one at least may be cleared tomorrow